Mangadex to purge titles for legal reasons

[happypurple]

You completely miss the point. A good proportion of people here(myself among them) don't actually care about the loli itself, it's about the principle of standing against censorship and outrage at the conduct of the site staff around this issue. The entire point of freedom of expression and artwork is that it doesn't just protect things you like, but instead everything. If you just go "I don't like this stuff so they can censor it", then it won't be too long before they slide down the slippery slope to things you do care about. All because you gave them an inch and set precedent that it was okay to do this; it's the thin edge of the wedge.

If it were almost anything else, most ppl would probably agree. The fact that it's a drawing of the worst thing imaginable still doesn't change what it is. The website's decision isn't gonna lead to anything besides the content not being available here.
YOU miss the point.

Children are children. If someone is making sexual content involving kids or trying to twist words to say “it’s not CP” that’s not just weird that's like diddy behavior gang.

+1

 

[Eighty-six]

Redo Healer of all things is still here on this site

you can't make this shit up [wheeze]

If it were almost anything else, most ppl would probably agree.

Most people, in these parts, do seem to agree.

Children are children. If someone is making sexual content involving kids or trying to twist words to say “it’s not CP” that’s not just weird that's like diddy behavior gang.

You know literally nothing about what Sean Combs did, and you don't even have the mindspace to appraise the vileness of his actions-- precisely because you think doodles with arbitrarily malleable attributes are equivalent to real life children in reality.

 

[Tscheddov]

@Xnot @EtherealNeko

Ffs. . .
A List. Give us a List of the Titles you removed.
Name the organization you referred to as "legal nexus" earlier.

Or at least give us an explanation why you refuse to do so.

wtf is wrong with you ?

 

[NARESH4444]

Well that tells me enough about some of the people here

Children are children. If someone is making sexual content involving kids or trying to twist words to say “it’s not CP” that’s not just weird that's like diddy behavior gang.

not trying to start anything..

It's not CP.

Period.

Trying to justify that a fictional depiction of literally anyone or anything deserves the same legal protections as actual people or objects is the height of retardation,and that's before we remind anyone that enforcing such laws means sending tax revenue over a Goddamn drawing instead of the actual predators.

If I smoke a blunt in a school in a sims game,should I be hauled off by real security?

If I runover 10 people in ambulance whilst listening "Freebird" in GTA San Andreas,should I get a lifetime sentence without parole?

If a choose the robbery path in a choose your own adventure novel,do I deserve to get beaten a cop?

If I play "One Night In Bangkok" on a xylophone,should the Thai police cross several international borders and hog tie my arse?

No?

Then if I draw a 9/90/900 year old lil' AAA cup lass whose ass is getting viciously pounded by an evil five metre long alien tentacle for hours on straight as the floor starts flooding with a 10 cm layer of glow in the dark baby batter as her five year boyfriend watches helplessly with a 50 cm hard on as a kind older elf oneesan with Z-cups smothers him,should Interpol break down my door and engage in a prolonged gunfight as SCP-████ proceeds to [REDACTED] until nothing is left?

And assuming the above occurs,which real life child is directly or indirectly harmed by that action?...save for the neighrbours,the thin walls aren't [DATA EXPUNGED] proof.

And that's why it isn't child pornography of any kind.

You know literally nothing about what Sean Combs did, and you don't even have the mindspace to appraise the vileness of his actions-- precisely because you think doodles with arbitrarily malleable attributes are equivalent to real life children in reality.

Like he said!

 

[DavidianMillerian]

Then if I draw a 9/90/900 year old lil' AAA cup lass whose ass is getting viciously pounded by an evil five metre long alien tentacle for hours on straight as the floor starts flooding with a 10 cm layer of glow in the dark baby batter as her five year boyfriend watches helplessly with a 50 cm hard on as a kind older elf oneesan with Z-cups smothers him,should Interpol break down my door and engage in a prolonged gunfight as SCP-████ proceeds to [REDACTED] until nothing is left?

 

[NARESH4444]

Oh,your second image didn't show up until I hit the reply button.

 

[Pyoro]

Am I the only one who feels that the statement is the beginning of the inevitable enshittifcation? It's just 100% corpo talk, especially bringing up that idiotic feed, with the usual zero percent actual apology or specifics on how anything will actually be improved.
Won't be surprised if the forums are gone at some point (can't have people kick up a fuss after all; bad when your costumer - and that's clearly what we are - can exchange ideas about how shitty things are becoming), and the site just trying to turn into some sort of aggregator for paid content.

If all this had been posted two years ago I'd honestly would have thought the site got hacked or ran some weird joke ...

 

[deleted-user-a393120cda]

It's not CP.

Period.

Trying to justify that a fictional depiction of literally anyone or anything deserves the same legal protections as actual people or objects is the height of retardation,and that's before we remind anyone that enforcing such laws means sending tax revenue over a Goddamn drawing instead of the actual predators.

If I smoke a blunt in a school in a sims game,should I be hauled off by real security?

If I runover 10 people in ambulance whilst listening "Freebird" in GTA San Andreas,should I get a lifetime sentence without parole?

If a choose the robbery path in a choose your own adventure novel,do I deserve to get beaten a cop?

If I play "One Night In Bangkok" on a xylophone,should the Thai police cross several international borders and hog tie my arse?

No?

Then if I draw a 9/90/900 year old lil' AAA cup lass whose ass is getting viciously pounded by an evil five metre long alien tentacle for hours on straight as the floor starts flooding with a 10 cm layer of glow in the dark baby batter as her five year boyfriend watches helplessly with a 50 cm hard on as a kind older elf oneesan with Z-cups smothers him,should Interpol break down my door and engage in a prolonged gunfight as SCP-████ proceeds to [REDACTED] until nothing is left?

And assuming the above occurs,which real life child is directly or indirectly harmed by that action?...save for the neighrbours,the thin walls aren't [DATA EXPUNGED] proof.

And that's why it isn't child pornography of any kind.

Like he said!

You're conflating two different arguments.

No one suggests that playing GTA makes you a murderer. The difference is that violent games do not center on sexualizing children. That's an unfair comparison.

The issue at hand isn't "it's just pixels, so jail forever.” The issue is that sexual content involving minors, even if fictional, normalizes and feeds attraction to minors. That’s why many countries treat it seriously. It’s not about protecting drawings. it's about protecting real kids and not creating demand for that kind of material.

Also, calling people slurs and writing paragraphs full of extreme examples doesn’t make the argument stronger. It just makes it look emotional.

You can debate the law and harm without pretending it’s the same thing as running people over in a video game.

 

[Pyoro]

The issue is that sexual content involving minors, even if fictional, normalizes and feeds attraction to minors.

That's literally the same argument of why people want to ban violent video games, so all their arguments are exactly correct.


... but this is all just a distraction anyway and got little to do with what's actually discussed. Plenty of this "CP" is still on the site. Go mass report is and see what happens if you think this is what this is about ^^

 

[deleted-user-a393120cda]

That's literally the same argument of why people want to ban violent video games, so all their arguments are exactly correct.


... but this is all just a distraction anyway and got little to do with what's actually discussed. Plenty of this "CP" is still on the site. Go mass report is and see what happens if you think this is what this is about ^^

That only works if all fictional content has the same social impact. It doesn’t.

The debate around violent games was about aggression. This is about sexual content involving minors. Those are treated differently legally and socially for a reason.

And “it’s still on the site” doesn’t really prove anything moderation decisions aren’t the same as moral or legal conclusions.

also stop trying to flip my argument on me lord
and if you guys find this annoying there are many other sites that you can use that is a lot like this one

 

[Miros]

You're conflating two different arguments.

No one suggests that playing GTA makes you a murderer. The difference is that violent games do not center on sexualizing children. That's an unfair comparison.

The issue at hand isn't "it's just pixels, so jail forever.” The issue is that sexual content involving minors, even if fictional, normalizes and feeds attraction to minors. That’s why many countries treat it seriously. It’s not about protecting drawings. it's about protecting real kids and not creating demand for that kind of material.

Also, calling people slurs and writing paragraphs full of extreme examples doesn’t make the argument stronger. It just makes it look emotional.

You can debate the law and harm without pretending it’s the same thing as running people over in a video game.

Your argument falls apart as soon as we look at the data
Japan has produced and consumed this content for decades and doesn't show elevated CSA rates compared to countries that ban it outright. If the pipeline from fiction to real abuse were as direct as people claim, that should show up somewhere measurable but It doesn't

Now the bigger issue is what you're actually arguing when you say fictional content = CP. Real CP is illegal because a real child was harmed to produce it. That's the harm. That's why it's a crime. A drawing has no victim in its production. Conflating the two doesn't protect more kids, it just muddies a legal principle that exists for a very specific reason.

The strongest version of your argument is that "it sustains attraction that could eventually translate to real harm"

Fine, that's worth discussing. But "might contribute to bad outcomes in some people" is a very different claim than "this is CP." One is a policy debate about risk, the other is a factual claim that happens to be wrong by the definition that makes CP illegal in the first place.

Nobody here is saying the content is wholesome, yhe argument is about what words mean and whether bad policy actually protects kids or just virtual signaling

 

[deleted-user-a393120cda]

If I keep this up, I’m probably going to keep getting constant reactions and replies.

so annoying

 

[mylovenovels]

Let's just do a backflip contest and whoever wins gets 3 wishes

 

[deleted-user-a393120cda]

Let's just do a backflip contest and whoever wins gets 3 wishes

Hi mommy

 

[ImAFuckinNerd]

Am I the only one who feels that the statement is the beginning of the inevitable enshittifcation? It's just 100% corpo talk, especially bringing up that idiotic feed, with the usual zero percent actual apology or specifics on how anything will actually be improved.
Won't be surprised if the forums are gone at some point (can't have people kick up a fuss after all; bad when your costumer - and that's clearly what we are - can exchange ideas about how shitty things are becoming), and the site just trying to turn into some sort of aggregator for paid content.

If all this had been posted two years ago I'd honestly would have thought the site got hacked or ran some weird joke ...

On God, everything here.
Cause I really just hope this shit doesn't spread to other manga on the site. Like, I am admittedly not happy the loli is disappearing, but my main concern is this "enshittification" is always brought up with the topic of "protecting kids" nowadays. And we have all seen how that's gone, both in countries and companies.

You're conflating two different arguments.

No one suggests that playing GTA makes you a murderer. The difference is that violent games do not center on sexualizing children. That's an unfair comparison.

The issue at hand isn't "it's just pixels, so jail forever.” The issue is that sexual content involving minors, even if fictional, normalizes and feeds attraction to minors. That’s why many countries treat it seriously. It’s not about protecting drawings. it's about protecting real kids and not creating demand for that kind of material.

Also, calling people slurs and writing paragraphs full of extreme examples doesn’t make the argument stronger. It just makes it look emotional.

You can debate the law and harm without pretending it’s the same thing as running people over in a video game.

First of all, big appreciation for making a coherent argument and not just slinging insults. Solid communication and good ideas are built on conversations like this.

Secondly, to the point of your argument. Although normalization is a real concern in certain areas of psychology, feels like it falls short given that there is a significant lack of research around the topic of how much loli actually influences or causes csa in real life. Definitively saying it feeds attraction to minors is somewhat early because of how little is known about this. Honestly, too little is known and researched about pedophilia in general and no one can really be expected to stop it if no one can find the root cause, but that's a little too deep for me.

Finally, I would like to point out that I am not very well researched on this topic and just felt like jumping in. Please don't be too harsh on me, I just don't want my big titty anime girls taken from me.

 

[deleted-user-a393120cda]

Secondly, to the point of your argument. Although normalization is a real concern in certain areas of psychology, feels like it falls short given that there is a significant lack of research around the topic of how much loli actually influences or causes csa in real life. Definitively saying it feeds attraction to minors is somewhat early because of how little is known about this. Honestly, too little is known and researched about pedophilia in general and no one can really be expected to stop it if no one can find the root cause, but that's a little too deep for me.

Finally, I would like to point out that I am not very well researched on this topic and just felt like jumping in. Please don't be too harsh on me, I just don't want my big titty anime girls taken from me.

I get your point the research isn’t fully clear, so it’s hard to make definite claims. But even without perfect evidence, people raise concerns out of caution. It’s okay to not be an expert just keeping the discussion respectful is what matters. x

 

[mylovenovels]

Can we just move on from this? Even if you argue about it, they’re not going to change their minds.

 

[vasdas]

The issue at hand isn't "it's just pixels, so jail forever.” The issue is that sexual content involving minors, even if fictional, normalizes and feeds attraction to minors.

When you see loli drawing you feel attraction to minors.
When i see loli drawing i don't feel attraction to minors.
But pedophile is me.


I also, honestly, don't understand why you all discuss this, because we STILL DON'T HAVE THAT LIST!
It very well can be that these deleted titles all umamusame dj and "threat" was from Yakuza. WHERE THE LIST???

 

[Chizan]

fictional child in a scenario that is very similar to porn is somehow not cp? if anyone needs their head checked are the contributors who were teenagers uploading content which made them more susceptible for degenerate shit.

It's not cp, it's drawn art.

 

[NARESH4444]

You're conflating two different arguments.

No one suggests that playing GTA makes you a murderer. The difference is that violent games do not center on sexualizing children. That's an unfair comparison.

The issue at hand isn't "it's just pixels, so jail forever.” The issue is that sexual content involving minors, even if fictional, normalizes and feeds attraction to minors. That’s why many countries treat it seriously. It’s not about protecting drawings. it's about protecting real kids and not creating demand for that kind of material.

Also, calling people slurs and writing paragraphs full of extreme examples doesn’t make the argument stronger. It just makes it look emotional.

You can debate the law and harm without pretending it’s the same thing as running people over in a video game.

Am I?

If fictional bloody murder,grotesque mutilation of humanoids,senstive political topics crime of practically all major types occurs in books,television,music,and the ultimate form of media that combines all prior aspects,the video game,are allowed in vast numbers that all ages have experienced at some point,why is it the fictional cute n' funny that is made by adults for adults spread accross adult platforms suddenly not allowed?

That is retardation,no better term exists to describe just how brain dead such logic can even exist.

Playing GTA doesn't make me a murderer,reading Mein Kampf doesn't make me a Nazi,watching CSI doesn't make me a detective,listening to Bananphone doesn't make want order a pizza,so why the living Hell would looking at this pic make me a pedophile?

If what you said is true,then why hasn't violence been normalised yet?

Has heisting a bank been made normal?

How about drinking so much that you don't remember what happened on the roof in Vegas,that normal?

Did gazing your eyes on that blonde above made you feel more normal enough to toss one dollar coins at her like a stripper in Canada?

Also,considering the only moral objecters of any worth are the West...only four of them have actually taken action strictly against fictional content,and the US,the most important(many will try to blind themselves to this obvious fact),HASN'T.

We have all seen this same bull crap arguement again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again...

NOT ONE has ever succeeded,because the inherrent flaw they all fail to realise is fiction is fictional.

If you can't separate the real from the unreal,are you not the problem?,do we who sit here and bash our keyboards like warriors over your skull to blame for your own inability to tell the difference between a real breathing human and drawing?

...unless you really want me to...