Tensei Shitara Joban de Shinu Chuu-Boss datta - Heroine Kenzokuka de Ikinokoru - Vol. 8 Ch. 24

[rxynxrd]

ball breaker 😭

 

[hevensdragon]

I write and edit erotic fiction and games it’s my hobby and, no, being able to understand what is happening based on what is in the text is not making stuff up.

When you say “they literally give out orders” and talk about healing the knights, we see a different healer doing that but still not the Sainte. You literally just made things up by arbitrarily deciding what is happening. It’s good when incident and consequence are used because it adds to the story so when one half of the formula is missing, it's obvious to point it out.

There’s a strange way you have of projecting emotions through things: just because I make good points you can’t respond to, doesn’t mean I’m angry. No one is ‘pissy’, but you might be based on the way you seem to be responding.
1. Cutting back happens in tandem with action, you mean flashback.
2. That’s also bad writing in terms of “this thing was totally happening without any indication to support it”.

It’s fine to like something even when it’s badly done or conveyed, I still like this story, but you don’t have to keep acting like you made any good points.

I write and edit erotic fiction and games it’s my hobby and, no, being able to understand what is happening based on what is in the text is not making stuff up.

Yet criticize

“Outrage”, not only are you writing for the author you’re writing for the poster.

Claim with certainty.

Not shown means not happening when there is no indication whatsoever, and she has NO indication

But also claim that when you do it.

being able to understand what is happening based on what is in the text is not making stuff up.

You have not been making points at all, just complaining and spewing hypocrisy. Making rules for thee and not for me. I have actually addressed that it may cut back to her (the fight is ongoing so no it wont necessarily be a flashback, though you trying to make that a "ah ha I am smarter than you gotcha moment really tells a lot about you", followed by bragging about being a fan fic author as if that is a flex) But her splitting off to aid the knights is in line with what they said their priorities were.

None of what you have said has been anything other than outrage the healer wasn't focused on. And how dare I say she could be healing people off screen.

 

[Greenfrost]

Bugs/exploits aside I wonder if other games/series would have weapons merging as a concept



Well, hunlight does have its own site idk how many ppl go there tho

Lmao imagine if this got animated , what va do you wanna hear say "get it up/thrust " in a cutesy voice =w=

In the unlikely event that happens, Crunchyroll wouldn't touch it with a 20 foot pole, and Sentai Filmworks would maybe just sub it, like with Redo Healer.

 

[tvadek]

What a HUGE release! Also thanks for all the translated chapters at once!!

 

[TheInternetUser]

thank you for the mass release

 

[NeverAnother]

Yet criticize

Claim with certainty.

But also claim that when you do it.


You have not been making points at all, just complaining and spewing hypocrisy. Making rules for thee and not for me. I have actually addressed that it may cut back to her (the fight is ongoing so no it wont necessarily be a flashback, though you trying to make that a "ah ha I am smarter than you gotcha moment really tells a lot about you", followed by bragging about being a fan fic author as if that is a flex) But her splitting off to aid the knights is in line with what they said their priorities were.

None of what you have said has been anything other than outrage the healer wasn't focused on. And how dare I say she could be healing people off screen.

I don’t think you understand english or reasoning quite well.
The reason I have an opinion and founding for that opinion is because it’s a style of writing that I am familiar with and practice. Because of that familiarity I have direct comparable knowledge towards building the story and outlined exactly where and how my criticism applies but you haven’t been able to address the criticism. Throughout, you only seem to be able to try and attack my character or person, not my points. I claim you don’t understand english or reasoning because if you did you would be able to actually look over those points, not consistently have to make up thoughts about how you think I feel.

Yes I can claim with certainty that I am not outraged because I am the one with my feelings and outlook on the situation: despite you wanting to say I’m angry or pissy, I feel neither of these things. The phrase “writing for the author” is applied when a person, like you, invents behaviors, events, or justifications within the text based of of their own headcanon or imagination when presented with a lack of support or clarity within the text.

This directly leads into what I think you’re missing with whatever you’re trying to say following up. There is no hypocrisy when I say that both she is not shown firing a single spell in the whole fight and is not showing any indication of being under the effects of the spell: these are both fact. In case you missed it, the main point I’ve made and illustrated is that because nothing is shown and she is not displaying any indication, you cannot infer that she has done anything during the fight. When you say “I have actually addressed that it may cut back to her”, it doesn’t. The entire fight goes by and it does not cut back to her, thus if the fight has passed it would be a reference to the past and be a flash back. At the end of this chapter, the enemy’s head is on the ground, the fighting has ceased, and the hero has collapsed: everything is over. That’s where I don’t think you understand reasoning, because if the fight is over how can we cut to her still fighting, and english, for the definitional difference in the two phrases already mentioned.

I say on “writing for the poster” because once again you can’t seem but help to want to put emotion into my words that just isn’t there. “I write and edit erotic fiction and games it’s my hobby” is a statement of fact so you understand why I care about and expound upon this subject, not a flex. So you’re understanding english better: if I wanted to flex I would typically include some kind of boast, or aggrandizement, or try to belittle you using my authority of experience, but literally none of that is happening. You have a headcanon and imagination about my behavior when presented with a lack of support within the text. You seem to feel either cornered, or defensive, so you want to apply some kind of extreme emotions behind my words and intent in order to make up for the fact that you haven’t been able to find things within the text (the manga this time) to actually support what you want to be true.

Based on your final two sentences: Once again, no outrage and if so bring up a relevant quote. As above your quotes don’t support your claims. Based on the examples I gave, the healer didn’t need focus, they needed to be addressed. My third example was how little to nothing outside of her expressions could be changed and it would serve to illustrate the consequence of the incident just fine. Finally, it’s not “how dare you” but “you know she could be doing ANYTHING by that logic”. You were trying to make that claim that she actually was healing off screen and that is primarily to be assumed, but that’s you assuming and inventing justifications when presented with a lack in the text (Grunch).

 

[hevensdragon]

I don’t think you understand english or reasoning quite well.
The reason I have an opinion and founding for that opinion is because it’s a style of writing that I am familiar with and practice. Because of that familiarity I have direct comparable knowledge towards building the story and outlined exactly where and how my criticism applies but you haven’t been able to address the criticism. Throughout, you only seem to be able to try and attack my character or person, not my points. I claim you don’t understand english or reasoning because if you did you would be able to actually look over those points, not consistently have to make up thoughts about how you think I feel.

Yes I can claim with certainty that I am not outraged because I am the one with my feelings and outlook on the situation: despite you wanting to say I’m angry or pissy, I feel neither of these things. The phrase “writing for the author” is applied when a person, like you, invents behaviors, events, or justifications within the text based of of their own headcanon or imagination when presented with a lack of support or clarity within the text.

This directly leads into what I think you’re missing with whatever you’re trying to say following up. There is no hypocrisy when I say that both she is not shown firing a single spell in the whole fight and is not showing any indication of being under the effects of the spell: these are both fact. In case you missed it, the main point I’ve made and illustrated is that because nothing is shown and she is not displaying any indication, you cannot infer that she has done anything during the fight. When you say “I have actually addressed that it may cut back to her”, it doesn’t. The entire fight goes by and it does not cut back to her, thus if the fight has passed it would be a reference to the past and be a flash back. At the end of this chapter, the enemy’s head is on the ground, the fighting has ceased, and the hero has collapsed: everything is over. That’s where I don’t think you understand reasoning, because if the fight is over how can we cut to her still fighting, and english, for the definitional difference in the two phrases already mentioned.

I say on “writing for the poster” because once again you can’t seem but help to want to put emotion into my words that just isn’t there. “I write and edit erotic fiction and games it’s my hobby” is a statement of fact so you understand why I care about and expound upon this subject, not a flex. So you’re understanding english better: if I wanted to flex I would typically include some kind of boast, or aggrandizement, or try to belittle you using my authority of experience, but literally none of that is happening. You have a headcanon and imagination about my behavior when presented with a lack of support within the text. You seem to feel either cornered, or defensive, so you want to apply some kind of extreme emotions behind my words and intent in order to make up for the fact that you haven’t been able to find things within the text (the manga this time) to actually support what you want to be true.

Based on your final two sentences: Once again, no outrage and if so bring up a relevant quote. As above your quotes don’t support your claims. Based on the examples I gave, the healer didn’t need focus, they needed to be addressed. My third example was how little to nothing outside of her expressions could be changed and it would serve to illustrate the consequence of the incident just fine. Finally, it’s not “how dare you” but “you know she could be doing ANYTHING by that logic”. You were trying to make that claim that she actually was healing off screen and that is primarily to be assumed, but that’s you assuming and inventing justifications when presented with a lack in the text (Grunch).

You haven't actually made any points for me to counter, just wild bs, insults, claims of you being smart, or rules that dictate you must always be right.
You also are repeatedly saying I am illiterate and other personal attacks, while condemning me for them. and yes I am insulting you. Unlike you I have self awareness. But I also adresses your ramblings. But till your word salad includes a actual point beyon your crying about not getting what you wanted, there is nothing to do other that point and laugh at you.
So here is my question clown. Is your head really so far up your own ass you actually think you have a point on any of this? Because this tantram of yours is next level pathetic.

 

[Chickens]

Holy moly the paragraphs in this thread are insane

All I have to say is that in my opinion I think the Healer straight up did nothing, there's no reference to the soldiers being healed by her nor does Yuri even reference once what she's doing

It's simply Occam's razor

 

[NeverAnother]

You haven't actually made any points for me to counter, just wild bs, insults, claims of you being smart, or rules that dictate you must always be right.
You also are repeatedly saying I am illiterate and other personal attacks, while condemning me for them. and yes I am insulting you. Unlike you I have self awareness. But I also adresses your ramblings. But till your word salad includes a actual point beyon your crying about not getting what you wanted, there is nothing to do other that point and laugh at you.
So here is my question clown. Is your head really so far up your own ass you actually think you have a point on any of this? Because this tantram of yours is next level pathetic.

No really, I specifically said I don’t think you get english or reasoning and you seem to be injecting emotion in where it isn’t which feels a bit like projection: this post encapsulates it.

You say “wild bs” but then can’t quote it. You say “insults” when I haven’t and you still can’t quote it. You say “claims of being smart” when there are none and you can’t quote. Finally you say “rules that dictate I must always be right” when I haven't said the word right or wrong in anything I’ve written outside of indicating a direction or quoting the manga. I understand how you confused a writing tool for “rules” because if you don’t understand the difference they can be easy to mistake, but using incident and consequence is just a tool in order to make writing better and identify opportunities to bolster the story i.e. “If you’ve written a incident without a consequence, be aware of it.”

I haven’t called you illiterate, I said you don’t get english: the difference is you can read and understand words and writing, but you consistently seem to be misunderstanding their usage then reaching strange conclusions because of them. What I’m referencing here is a good example. There is a nuance to the word that you didn’t really get and thus you came to think I was calling you illiterate when that’s simply not present. As for the personal attacks or condemnations, once again that’s only been you.
This is where my claim that “you seem to be injecting emotion in where it isn’t which feels a bit like projection” comes from. If you look over the words and see word salad/rambling or somehow think this is “crying”, then I feel like you are reading your projected emotion on top of lacking the comprehension to sort through what’s being said. This makes you lash out with harsh language and anger since being unable to parse it becomes overly frustrating. I get that when you read something in your head, it comes out in your personal voice, and that is a bit difficult to reconcile when trying to think critically. If you hear these as insults, be assured they’re not. These are observations. The spelling is *tantrum by the way (Admittedly this has been my only snark comment so far.)

So to refocus back where I started before you felt the need to go personal Here are the points:
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1. Throughout the fight in the story from chapter 22 - 24, Fiore the Sainte is not shown to cast any spell despite the incident of Ricola giving her an arousal stat boost and a demon core that will transform her upon orgasm, which would seem to set up a direct consequence in the battle. This seems to be a missed opportunity, and rather strange omission. The point is she didn’t cast a single spell in the battle despite the setup which was a letdown.
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2. Furthermore, during the fight she is not shown to take any actions outside of making reaction faces during which panels she appears to be unaffected in any way by the previous incident despite her obvious arousal depicted directly preceding the fight. This further compounds the issue of (1) where the expectation a reader would be to witness some form of consequence or at least acknowledgement of the incident, especially considering how all three other members were shown to have some role or effect in the fight. The point is that upon reading closer she actually didn’t do anything during the battle, especially nothing to show the effect of the incident.
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3. After reading my observation in my original post, you stated "
She is the healer, not really a dps, and there was all those guards that were injured. Logic would dictate she would focus on healing them and to get more people into the fight over fighting herself.
But yeah also avoiding orgasm.
“ Despite my post acknowledging that she is the healer due to calling her a Sainte (Grunch), not mentioning DPS, and making the baseless claim about logic dictating her actions. Baseless here referring to the fact that it’s not supported by anything and could be used to justify any other claims such as ‘Logic dictates she should be as close to the other heroes to support as possible because they are the ones continuing to fight and the soldiers already have healers.’ or ‘Logic dictates that she should have run from the fight because the arousal would clearly have been too much for her’ or ‘Logic dictates the she should have switched to offensive spells because orders to heal would have been directed at the soldier’s healers not a member of the hero’s party.’ All four statements (including yours) are unified by the fact that there is nothing in the text to support them, they are thus baseless. The point is that inserting action as your headcanon has to at least have some support or else you’re just making things up.
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4. Seeing this, I responded and highlighted that actually showing the action of her firing a healing spell would be far clearer and logical as opposed to showing nothing and assuming what actions are being taken. As demonstrated by (3), without any indication, any actions may or may not be taken and it relies on the whim of the reader “writing for the author”. The point is that with consideration, the story didn’t need to drop the ball and rely on the reader making things up.
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5. You went back and tried to make the same point but even your post as demonstrated by (3) any assumption of action is just as valid as another, but the difference is that my original comment was about specifically what was not present in the text, her firing spells, while yours was trying to insert something that was not present in the text, her firing spells. To illustrate this I gave three examples of varying degrees and varying intensities which would all allow for your interpretation to be valid: presence in the text of her actually firing spells. In addition, how that presence could also capitalize on showing a consequence to the incident preceding in order to strengthen the story. For good measure: The simplest and easiest way would be to insert one panel of Fiore’s troubled face shouting out 'I’ll focus on healing, hold them back!’ This is a throwaway line, but it serves a direct purpose. The point is that there is actually a ton more that could have been done to better support the incident storybeat as well as the Sainte in the battle depending on how much or how little needed to be shown, and by using a simple writing tool the lack of consequence becomes clear.
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Then you seemed to derail things as mentioned in the first part of the post. All in all: five points. If you have trouble reading or think it’s a ramble or somehow find personal attacks in there, I really think that’s a struggle with english, reasoning, and projection as stated before.

 

[Wataterp]

Why does the loli not get cracked even in imagination sequences?

 

[hevensdragon]

You say “wild bs” but then can’t quote it.

I could, but I would have to post a absolute wall of text. As entire portions of your posts are just unhinged. This post will be messy enough with all the listing as is, so I will hold off for readability sake, and just direct anyone reading this to just try to read through one of the numbered parts of any of your posts and not recoil.


But the others are much easier to just list.

You say “insults” when I haven’t and you still can’t quote it.

List time.

There’s a strange way you have of projecting emotions through things: just because I make good points you can’t respond to

I literally quoted and replied to your few arguments, you just hand waved those and repeated the same point on repeat, but I already addressed them.

No really, I specifically said I don’t think you get english or reasoning and you seem to be injecting emotion in where it isn’t which feels a bit like projection: this post encapsulates it.

I understand how you confused a writing tool for “rules” because if you don’t understand the difference they can be easy to mistake

I haven’t called you illiterate, I said you don’t get english: the difference is you can read and understand words and writing

There is a nuance to the word that you didn’t really get and thus you came to think I was calling you illiterate when that’s simply not present. As for the personal attacks or condemnations, once again that’s only been you.

If you have trouble reading or think it’s a ramble or somehow find personal attacks in there, I really think that’s a struggle with english, reasoning, and projection as stated before.

Your semantics argument of you didn't use a specific word are pathetic. Yes you didn't use the word illiterate, you just said I didn't know English repeatedly, which means you were calling me illiterate.

Finally you say “rules that dictate I must always be right” when I haven't said the word right or wrong in anything I’ve written outside of indicating a direction or quoting the manga.

List of rules for thee and not for me

“Outrage”, not only are you writing for the author you’re writing for the poster.

You ARE assuming the healer had a hand in it because you’re making up stuff that isn’t present and that’s not good.

(then wrote entire fan fic)

Not shown means not happening when there is no indication whatsoever, and she has NO indication

Ignore the entire battle plan which was indication, but also

writing for the author

which you prior called out as bad, and is just incorrect, things happen off screen. You are also saying she didn't fire a single spell, was that shown? No it wasn't. Right now she wasn't given the screen time, so we don't know what she was doing and have to infer till we find out.

You say “claims of being smart” when there are none and you can’t quote.

List again

I write and edit erotic fiction and games it’s my hobby and, no, being able to understand what is happening based on what is in the text is not making stuff up.

A claim of I'm better because I do this. Also again, writing for the author which you called out. If I fill in a blank, making stuff up, but its not when you do because reasons.

1. Cutting back happens in tandem with action, you mean flashback.

Trying to "do a ah ha gatcha" that ignored that the battle is ongoing. A attempt at discrediting based on intelligence, which all your insults of calling me illiterate also fall under.



All of this is you just upset about the healer not acting like a dps and attacking with spells. And claiming because it wasn't show she did nothing. Its asinine, the party set a objective of hold out till the knights recovered, a healers role is to heal and help allies recover, that she didn't participate in the attack would imply her task was not in the front, but in the back line which wasn't being focused on. You clearly are used to writing novel, but manga have constraints, page limits, panel sizes.

And yes you are 100% outraged, a calm person doesn't lose their mind like you have been when a character didn't get shown doing a action they wanted to see. You clearly wanted to see her squirming, and knowing this series, there is little chance we won't see that.

BTW as I know your too mental to admit you just got destroyed, I am just going to flat tell you, I have now blocked you. I won't see your nonsense reply that we all know is coming. So keep spewing nonsense, but my point has been long made, exposing you for the clown you are. And any further post you make will surly just cement that without me needing to reply.

 

[NeverAnother]

I could, but I would have to post a absolute wall of text. As entire portions of your posts are just unhinged. This post will be messy enough with all the listing as is, so I will hold off for readability sake, and just direct anyone reading this to just try to read through one of the numbered parts of any of your posts and not recoil.

So when you make a claim like this, you’re making more unsubstantiated claims. When you say “Direct anyone reading...” it’s an example of you not actually having your own points: you believe that a person would recoil and can’t describe why, or you want to call parts of the post unhinged but give no clear expansion on why either. Give actual reasons why.

I literally quoted and replied to your few arguments, you just hand waved those and repeated the same point on repeat, but I already addressed them.

No you haven’t and just saying “I have” then not being able to reference those is again is in the same ballpark of not giving any actual reason. If you believed that I hand waved an argument and then repeated myself, which argument was hand waved and which response was repeated? Multiple examples would help if they are there.

Throughout this next section you list out the quotes without actually addressing why again. I specifically said “you don’t get English” so here’s how that works: even though you understand and can read the words, each time you either seem to interpret or inject or redefine them with some wildly negative emotion. The example here being how you replaced the word “get” with the word “know”: that reveals how you are reading the words that I am writing and then redefining them and seemingly responding to that redefinition. If I wanted to call you illiterate, outside of actually saying it, I would make arguments that you don’t understand the basic definitions or applications of any of the words I am saying and thus could not fundamentally make a coherent response or even formulate thoughts based on them. You can do all that, but somewhere along the way this malformation occurs and even those base definitions and applications are effected. Once again you don’t “get English”: I am not calling you illiterate.
To the other thing you quoted: do you understand the difference between a “rule” and a “tool” that I mentioned? You quoted me but then didn’t actually respond to it. That’s like using a footnote marker, then leaving the footnote blank. What was the point? I addressed the nuance and you quoted it, then did not respond to it. You think that there is a personal attack please quote it directly, seeing as you misinterpreted the call to illiteracy. Was that the only one you thought was there? Can you point to any others in previous posts? This paragraph is just a rapid fire of asking for substantiation for your quotes which have little to none.

For this next section: In referring to “outrage”, this was an example of you injecting emotion as mentioned above. Still after all these posts, I am not outraged or pissy or annoyed or anything of the sort: the first two descriptors appeared in your posts plus every other negatively associated word. Notably they are almost all concerning some emotion that you claim to be present but aren’t, again. If you’re looking for an example of why I say “writing for the poster” this repeated pattern is it. You want to reference my examples of how to use the “incident and consequence” tool as a fan fic, ignoring the fact that they are separate and examples. I’m not claiming they are in the story, I am showing how, counter to your idea of inserting action based solely on the assumption or imagination of the reader, your point could be made if it was actually present in the text. This has nothing to do with right or wrong, so I don’t understand what kind of point you are making here. It is fact, you were assuming the actions of the healer by making something up. That still has not changed.
When you say “ignoring the battle plan which was indication”, what battle plan? Do you mean on Ch.23 pg.32 where the hero has an inner statement about attacking as a concentrated group of four? That would include the Sainte, doesn’t have anything to do with her going off and healing the soldiers. Do you mean on Ch.23 pg.53 right after the soldiers are hit? There is no plan: in fact no one says anything to the soldiers until Ch.24 pg.16 where the only ‘command' given is by a random healer saying “Fall Back” to the person he’s healing. Before that Ricola casts magic to help the hero fight the demons. Now I’m thinking you didn’t actually read. The only slight argument that could be made here is on Ch.24 pg.28, yet that is also a period of the fight when the soldiers are already healed and your point is past. Yet even if there is an example of this why didn’t you quote it?
This is what I mean by having baseless/unsubstantiated claims: you think a single vague sentence coupled with loosely associated quotes constitutes a point.
To the next section: having a hobby of erotic writing and editing is not claiming that I am better than you. This is another example of you not getting English and injecting emotion. Secondly, if something is in the text it’s not being made up, I’m not sure what point you’re trying to get at. You didn’t see something in the text, and made something up to fill it, that is writing for the author. This may be more of you not getting english because I think you are misapplying your understanding of the saying. For example: Ch.24 pg.15 We see Isami fighting alongside Yuri, then we don’t see Isami again till pg.27. During this time we can assume that Isami is still fighting. Why? Because in the text that was the last thing we saw her doing. This is not writing for the writer. If I were to say During that time Isami made a charge at the head demon in order to draw attention away from Yuri so that she had time to check back on the soldiers on pg.16-17, that would be writing for the writer. There is nothing in the text to support that assumed behavior of Isami, I would be making it up. You could say “Well Logic dictates that Isami would be capable of drawing their attention since on Ch.23 pg.47 she mentioned that she would be the decoy while Yuri attacked, so she would choose to take that role here.” and that would still be just as baseless. If you think I’m making something up then in the same way specifically point to and quote it then substantiate why. To the cutback/flashback again, the battle is not ongoing, it’s already over. Any future showing of Fiore’s actions will be referencing a past event. Throughout the battle, it never cutback to her. This is a nuance between words and a factual statement, not an insult with your injected emotion. Making the distinction is not an insult. For clarity, and only clarity, if I meant this as an insult I would say [Um, don’t you mean flashback? See, a cutback can only occur with events in tandem (that means happening at the same time), but you probably aren’t aware of a different word. It’s ok you’ll learn more sometime.] Here, you would be right to read an insult and a personal attack because the needless phrasing is implying that you literally don’t know English. It is framed as a means to discredit intelligence: I have not done this. Comparing the hostility in your comments, you have and I still believe that is your injection of emotion becoming clearer.

To the final point, I literally have never called the Sainte DPS. Please out of everything: you just made that up. I still don’t know where it’s coming from. Using Ch.23 pg.32 where the hero has an inner statement about attacking as a concentrated group of four, it would seem that the plan was to have Fiore be a part of the Hero’s group and not help the soldiers: where does it indicate that the plan changed, or that she left to assist them, or that they received any healing from her? There is no implication, because that requires evidence of intent. You are making an assumption, with no base. I’ve edited manga before which is why I was able to give estimated space requirements in my examples on the post you called the fan fic. Once again this isn’t some “I’m better” this is literally just, I’ve done it and gave an estimate to match. You may have missed that.

Don’t mistake volume for outrage, please. I really do think that you should readjust how you interpret words because it seems like in the long term you tend to skew towards the negatively bombastic without much reason or support

 

[legendaryswordsman]

Just like that the soldiers have become fellow Cunnisseurs.

Busy night and many babies were conceived that night

 

[legendaryswordsman]

Can't wait to see how she's going to react when she realizes the dude she pretty much worships for saving her with his knowledge is Ashnold.

Yeah that will probably help towards turn her into his woman plus when they find out the goddess is busy getting it on with the demon king

 

[reGAPTCHO]

She keeps referencing mc helping her then has a interest in ash thanks to the loli succubus pretty sure that's enough to tame her but just not yet.... got to let her simmer for awhile.

Nun seem to be useless here..