Ryuu to Ayumu Nariagari Boukensha-dou ~Youzumi Toshite S-Rank Party kara Tsuihou Sareta Kaifuku Majutsushi, Suterareta Saki de Saikyou no Shinryuu wo…

[HelioCesar]

People here are retards for thinking that killing the MC in the first chapter has been somehow needed or justified for this whole undercover operation. There has been no reasons for her to go along with doing that with a happy smug face. She could've told that he's not worth it and insist they'd simply kick his ass out of the party, literally and figurally, as soon as they get out of the dungeon, as not becoming an active participant in murdering the MC wouldn't put her cover and the operation under any meaningful kind of risk. Saying it did is a wishful thinking of the unprecedented level, some people need to pull their heads out of their asses and consume less of a criminal bullshit content.

Man, i thought it was just the average naivety because a good chunk of people that read this type of content at a daily basis are pretty young, but nah, they are being purposefully petulant and foolish.
Where can a person justifies premeditated attempted murder of an innocent because, well "she had her reasons~".
Or that a VICE-CAPTAIN hand't resources to help Dion survive if she wanted, i am willing to go as far as saying that a good part of the readers accepting this weak ass excuse and apology is because she is a woman, their common weakness.

Truly afraid with people reasonings skills and mindset nowadays, this is just poor quality writing, even more so reading that other guy spoiler. Nothing wrong with enjoying poor quality writing, we all do sometimes just to entertain ourselves (hell! i'm still here because there is still entertainment value in this manga), but trying so hard to defend poor development and refusing to acknowledge the flaws even exist? Jarring.

If Dion at least said something in the lines of "I do forgive you. I will not persecute you or want revenge, but i want nothing to do with you, you're still a terrible person! If you are trying so hard not to blow an operation that an innocent soul sacrifice is justifiable, you aren't trying to save more people or a greater good, even less fighting for justice, you are trying to save your career, if i was a beloved one for you, would you still sacrifice me to capture the group?" i would be less annoyed with her getting off scot free, but i doubt she will show any kind of big remorse and this event becoming a major motive for a future personality trait.
And again, there would be no problem if this series writing only amounted to this level, not every author is capable of high level narratives, but the number of readers reading this and going "oh, so that was it! All good now! OH! She thought his hand was warm!!! Hehehe, welcome to the harem!!" is disturbing.

 

[FuzzySupernova]

Man, i thought it was just the average naivety because a good chunk of people that read this type of content at a daily basis are pretty young, but nah, they are being purposefully petulant and foolish.
...

Taking a look at the bastard's face and saying something along with "Hey, he's not worth it, throwing him into the pit where he dies immediately is too boring. Let him live his pitiful life knowing he's a useless trash you threw away, and if you think he's still not miserable enough later, we'd come up with something fun for him.", putting her hand on his chest or something, looking him into the eyes while batting her eyelashes would do the trick in an instant. And then she helps the MC move somewhere else, change his hame/appearance and thus disappear forever, job done.
Heck, I'd say it's too much and saving him would take her much less effort than that, but I guess people prefer cheap and stupid MUH OPERATION and THE DRAMA, and "but she had no choice!", and of course "but can't you see how she regrets this? SHE HAS A BAD NIGHT SLEEP, DUH!1!!"

 

[DBAV]

Man, i thought it was just the average naivety because a good chunk of people that read this type of content at a daily basis are pretty young, but nah, they are being purposefully petulant and foolish.
Where can a person justifies premeditated attempted murder of an innocent because, well "she had her reasons~".
Or that a VICE-CAPTAIN hand't resources to help Dion survive if she wanted, i am willing to go as far as saying that a good part of the readers accepting this weak ass excuse and apology is because she is a woman, their common weakness.

Truly afraid with people reasonings skills and mindset nowadays, this is just poor quality writing, even more so reading that other guy spoiler. Nothing wrong with enjoying poor quality writing, we all do sometimes just to entertain ourselves (hell! i'm still here because there is still entertainment value in this manga), but trying so hard to defend poor development and refusing to acknowledge the flaws even exist? Jarring.

If Dion at least said something in the lines of "I do forgive you. I will not persecute you or want revenge, but i want nothing to do with you, you're still a terrible person! If you are trying so hard not to blow an operation that an innocent soul sacrifice is justifiable, you aren't trying to save more people or a greater good, even less fighting for justice, you are trying to save your career, if i was a beloved one for you, would you still sacrifice me to capture the group?" i would be less annoyed with her getting off scot free, but i doubt she will show any kind of big remorse and this event becoming a major motive for a future personality trait.
And again, there would be no problem if this series writing only amounted to this level, not every author is capable of high level narratives, but the number of readers reading this and going "oh, so that was it! All good now! OH! She thought his hand was warm!!! Hehehe, welcome to the harem!!" is disturbing.

I'm probably the last person you'd expect to give a female character leeway because double standards. People here lack the ability to think beyond the presented content, it's not hard to imagine a medieval context where a life is worth shit (depending on the victim) so sacrificing an adventurer with no noble or rich background for the chance to catch a dangerous criminal is more than justified.

 

[Kikeemu]

Thanks for the meal

 

[Someone011]

Oh? Let's pick this apart then. I'm in a mood to destroy someone today. (Pun not intended.)

You say destroy, but all you did is ignore anything I said and just gave your own answers that didn't address anything I said.

The claim that it was "act" of her looking gleeful makes zero sense.
Since she is behind both Sigrit and the mage,and as you yourself said Sigrit is fixated on the MC, and the mage girl on Sigrit, the gleeful expression would not be noticed noticed by anyone, save Sigrit himself.


Also, no, undercover agents don't bother to attach themselves to mules and occasional pushers that move product rarely and only when in dire need of cash. These people are dead ends, they never get to meet anyone important, and any agents attached to them will never get to meet anyone to "put their foot" at the door off the cartels.

And...did you read the article you tried to pass as proof that agents do attach themselves to small time mules? Or did you hope that I'll just not read it?

The entire article is about how the FBI created a rental car company with cars that had hidden compartments, specifically "marketing" them to drug traffickers via word of mouth by "informants" whom the FBI had cut a deal with.
There was no correlation or parallel to what the knight girl said she did in the manga at all.
Not only would her actions not "put her foot at the door" but rather the exact opposite. Nobody, not even the small time pushers will bother associating with her, since any potential dealings go only through Sigrit.
Best case scenario for her, is to grab a noble drug user and Sigrit who she could already bag for attempted murder.


Not only you failed spectacularly to counter any of my arguments , you also made a fool out of yourself in the process.
By using examples that have no paralell in this.
Showcasing a poor understanding of how proper undercover operations work.(just like the author)
And wasted both of our time as well.

 

[betetta]

It's not being a troll, it's having common sense.

You can clearly see how gleeful her expression is when the MC was about to be murdered, and you can see that the "hero" is infront of her so the claim that she did it to fool the hero, doesn't hold.

Also if you bothered to read about actual undercover officers,you would know that they don't stick to small fries that push drugs once every year and only when they are in dire need of cash.

Because those people will never get to meet any of the important people of the cartels, but rather only disposable pawns and mules.

And no, "he is the hero ofcourse he'll meet the big wigs" is not a valid excuse, we've seen that Sigrit is a capital M moron with the intellect of a rock and matching social skills so there is no way he would suave his way on the table of the big players.

Any of the big players would avoid association with him directly, just so they can avoid the "spotlight" he is in, and any fallout that might ensue if his drug pushing gets discovered .

REALL undercover officers, enter actual organizations that push drugs on an almost daily basis.
They are not send to attach themselves to that rich kid, that sold a large amount of coke to their rich friends a couple of times, hoping that one day Pablo Escobar will show up in one if their parties with a bag full of drugs....

If were going over facial expressions you would need to find out if the mangaka was briefed about the whole story and the plot twists at the moment of drawing that chapter, otherwise your argument is flimsy as it falls into the "lost in adaptation" category.

 

[Someone011]

If were going over facial expressions you would need to find out if the mangaka was briefed about the whole story and the plot twists at the moment of drawing that chapter, otherwise your argument is flimsy as it falls into the "lost in adaptation" category.

Why wouldn't the mangaka know?
It's in the Novel.
"Segrit shouted with his eyes wide open, and Criola and Cindy could be seen grinning next to him." (this is AI translated for posterity's sake).
Also the chapter in the light novel where she is revealed to be undercover, was posted in October 2020 the manga begun development in September 2021, so we can't even pretend that this development was something that the author blindsided the mangaka and his team after the fact.

Also, my point stands , there is no reason to attach someone undercover to what is essentially an ill mannered adventurer, who rarely if ever deals some drugs and only when he is low on funds. Best case scenario they might get to see a low level handler that gives him a few doses to sell to nobles and such. As a lead for busting a drug ring, Sigrit is a dead end.
Not to mention that at the point she enters his team the party is on its way up (prior to kicking out the MC) money is plentiful having Yuki do all the hard work so Sigrit has no reason to bother dealing drugs.

 

[betetta]

Why wouldn't the mangaka know?
It's in the Novel.
"Segrit shouted with his eyes wide open, and Criola and Cindy could be seen grinning next to him." (this is AI translated for posterity's sake).
Also the chapter in the light novel where she is revealed to be undercover, was posted in October 2020 the manga begun development in September 2021, so we can't even pretend that this development was something that the author blindsided the mangaka and his team after the fact.

Also, my point stands , there is no reason to attach someone undercover to what is essentially an ill mannered adventurer, who rarely if ever deals some drugs and only when he is low on funds. Best case scenario they might get to see a low level handler that gives him a few doses to sell to nobles and such. As a lead for busting a drug ring, Sigrit is a dead end.
Not to mention that at the point she enters his team the party is on its way up (prior to kicking out the MC) money is plentiful having Yuki do all the hard work so Sigrit has no reason to bother dealing drugs.

So you base all your argument in the Mangaka having to have read the entire web novel before even drawing the first chapter? Like... Seriously?

He got the first chapters, drew creola grinning and that was it, since you're putting so much effort on trying to be right... Go check then! maybe there's an interview with the mangaka about how he read the entire novel to get to know the characters or how there was an actual comitee for the project instead of a Manila Envelope and a check mailed to the mangaka's house with a note that said "get to work".

I'll be waiting.

 

[Oakheir]

Why wouldn't the mangaka know?
It's in the Novel.
"Segrit shouted with his eyes wide open, and Criola and Cindy could be seen grinning next to him." (this is AI translated for posterity's sake).
Also the chapter in the light novel where she is revealed to be undercover, was posted in October 2020 the manga begun development in September 2021, so we can't even pretend that this development was something that the author blindsided the mangaka and his team after the fact.

Also, my point stands , there is no reason to attach someone undercover to what is essentially an ill mannered adventurer, who rarely if ever deals some drugs and only when he is low on funds. Best case scenario they might get to see a low level handler that gives him a few doses to sell to nobles and such. As a lead for busting a drug ring, Sigrit is a dead end.
Not to mention that at the point she enters his team the party is on its way up (prior to kicking out the MC) money is plentiful having Yuki do all the hard work so Sigrit has no reason to bother dealing drugs.

You sound like someone that has never had to make a hard choice in their life. Go haunt some other manga with your bs please.

 

[Someone011]

So you base all your argument in the Mangaka having to have read the entire web novel before even drawing the first chapter? Like... Seriously?

He got the first chapters, drew creola grinning and that was it, since you're putting so much effort on trying to be right... Go check then! maybe there's an interview with the mangaka about how he read the entire novel to get to know the characters or how there was an actual comitee for the project instead of a Manila Envelope and a check mailed to the mangaka's house with a note that said "get to work".

I'll be waiting.

Did...did you fail to read something?
Or misunderstood perhaps?
Or are you now trying to strawman this argument?

It's the author who made the change and did an illogical 180 on Creole that made zero sense THAT is my argument from the get go. The one who argued that it was the mangaka who made an innocent mistake in her portrayal was you. And I showcased you that it was not the case.

 

[Someone011]

You sound like someone that has never had to make a hard choice in their life. Go haunt some other manga with your bs please.

Ah and Here we have the arbiter of the forums.

Not only do you deign to declare to know what I had to do in my life, you also take up the mantle of the forum's gate keeper.
And all that whilst not bothering to answer any of my valid points.

Sorry to burst your bubble son, but that's not how the world works.
And in the manga's case, not how an organization meant to uphold the law would organize a proper undercover operation to get to a drug distribution ring.

 

[Amariithynar]

It was planned, not just planned and wait for a chance to happen.
They lured him, while Yuki is away, went to a specific dungeon to push him off.
And she's a vice captain, sure she's doesn't have a subordinate, back up, resources or time to at least make some counter plan

Let's just forget MC, it's only 1 live. What she's probably thinking if we ignore the probability she's actually enjoying it like the expression show.

Next please

You misremembered. It was a chance that happened when Yuki got ported away by a teleport trap and Segrit took advantage of it right then and there. She also had to at least pretend in front of Segrit that she agreed with him and supported him for the pursuit of her goals.

 

[HelioCesar]

You misremembered. It was a chance that happened when Yuki got ported away by a teleport trap and Segrit took advantage of it right then and there. She also had to at least pretend in front of Segrit that she agreed with him and supported him for the pursuit of her goals.

Yet again those who support this ass of plot point prove themselves as unable to read or reason

 

[SSRBReader]

This MC's personality is so annoying and he knows it.

Please let her just be friends or acquaintance with the MC instead of a harem member.

The dragon and his childhood friend are enough.