Shoujo Seikan Hyouryuuki - Ch. 12.3 - Planet of Eclipse

[MangaDex]

 

[Hikineet]

Thanks for the chapter.

 

[Ichigo69]

Okay, I was expecting possibly a few things... but THAT definitely was NOT one of them.....

 

[MelonManic]

Ah they talked things out
See sh understand, it's was unrequited after all and she was just upset it wasn't her...

Huh?
Wut?
How?
Dammit I'm just as baffled
SHE BRAINWASHED HER WITH HER CROTCH
OF COURSE ITS ONLY LOGICAL
AGAIN WHOSE IDEA WAS IT TO GIVE SATAN'S SPAWN THE POWERS OF GOD
I JUST WANNA TALK

That's right never give up
We didn't see her consent so obviously it's coercion

Oh I was wrong...
Okay an interesting character I will say
Shes a horrid lense and it remains horrid though certainly interesting I can't lie...

And ah yes I love it
SAVE HER LIFE EVEN IF I HATE HER

Luna lunarians, your not slick

 

[TinLite]

"I was scared."
"Of death?"
"It wasn't death."
"I was scared of disappearing alone"



It make sense for those whose body has been modified for war not scared of death, but I didn't expect that she was scared of dying alone.

I don't like her and the fact that she get in the way of my fav yuri couple. But if being loved for just one day is her last wish then fine, I guess.

 

[Lunkli]

If you're afraid of "disappearing alone," though, you are afraid of death. Like, there's a slightly different nuance to it, but ultimately it is still a fear of death. So it seems a bit weird of her to say that it wasn't death that she was afraid of.

 

[Ichigo69]

If you're afraid of "disappearing alone," though, you are afraid of death. Like, there's a slightly different nuance to it, but ultimately it is still a fear of death. So it seems a bit weird of her to say that it wasn't death that she was afraid of.

Well, technically she wasn't afraid of actually dying. What she was scared of is having nobody to be by your side as you're dying...

 

[registeredusername]

rancid dogshit chapter

 

[Lunkli]

Well, technically she wasn't afraid of actually dying. What she was scared of is having nobody to be by your side as you're dying...

No, but what I'm saying is that being scared of "having nobody by your side as you're dying" is just a specific realization of a fear of death. I don't think that it's a fundamentally different enough idea such that you could say that you weren't afraid of death.

Like, if you're "afraid of failing the test you studied for," you're still "afraid of failing the test." If you're afraid of "crashing the car your parents bought you," you're still "afraid of crashing the car." The condition on all of these might be something that can alleviate your fears if removed, (you might not have cared if you didn't study in the first place, you might not have cared if you had bought the car yourself, you might not have cared if you weren't alone, &c.) but that doesn't change the fact of what the base fear is: Fear of failing the test, fear of crashing the car, fear of dying.

Similarly, if you're "afraid of falling off a cliff without a parachute," it'd be silly to say that you weren't afraid of falling off a cliff, right? Just because having a parachute would alleviate your fear doesn't mean that you aren't afraid of falling off the cliff.

 

[RulernoAlter]

This series really something else. its feel so melancholy yet beautiful.
The story, the art, the relationship.. its really beautiful.
Thank you for the chapter.

 

[vanillysb]

i would kill that bastard luna but i understand ridley’s position

 

[Rand00m]

Does this means Watari supposed to have the same corruption? But Ridley has a method to surpress it?

Shame Luna doesn't meet her own Ridley because of her arrogance

 

[shinmera]

What the fuck was the point of breaking Ridley's heart like that though

 

[darkniter123]

Seriously? You're going to whitewash a bitch?

 

[detarameMangadex]

Thanks for the chapter :D

This was... Quite the interesting chapter. There is so much to unpack.

If there was one thing this manga has touched but never dwelled on, it would be the fact that it depicts the lives of the last humans adrift in space. In this chapter, that is no longer the case: the existential implications of that showed up with full force. To both Ridley and Luna, Watari is the only person who gives their life any meaning at all, and both of them freak out this chapter when faced with the idea that they will be left alone.

Ridley becomes completely broken, but I find the depiction of Luna's fears more interesting: page 23 was about as direct as a work of art could be without outright stating its message. Lying in a casket position, boxed in by the panel, and surrounded by empty space...

If you were the only person alive, would there be a point to your life? Nobody would remember you, and nothing you do will matter after your death. I think these questions must have filled Ridley's mind when Watari left, which is why she was able to empathize with Luna a bit better.

The irony of Luna is that she epitomizes the wars that killed everyone else. Humanity's last wars mirror her initial mindset: "everyone was weaker and uglier than me. There was no reason to respect them." These wars happened because people thought they were "entitled to everything in this world," yet Earth was destroyed in the end. Luna was left to die with nothing.

Another layer of this is what seems to me like a hypotextual relationship to The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter. There is the element of marriage, Watari tells Luna that she is "like the moon goddess" (月の女神様 in the raws), Luna is both isolated and punished for her past, and they quite literally depart for the moon. This adds to the arc's themes of the impermanence of life, the importance of attachment and memory, and the contrast between materialism and true happiness.

Anyway. Analysis aside, this chapter's art was so good and effective. The panelling was particularly stellar this chapter.

I'm excited to see how all of this wraps up. This manga is truly something special.

 

[ccyq]

Ridley:

 

[MelonManic]

No, but what I'm saying is that being scared of "having nobody by your side as you're dying" is just a specific realization of a fear of death. I don't think that it's a fundamentally different enough idea such that you could say that you weren't afraid of death.

Like, if you're "afraid of failing the test you studied for," you're still "afraid of failing the test." If you're afraid of "crashing the car your parents bought you," you're still "afraid of crashing the car." The condition on all of these might be something that can alleviate your fears if removed, (you might not have cared if you didn't study in the first place, you might not have cared if you had bought the car yourself, you might not have cared if you weren't alone, &c.) but that doesn't change the fact of what the base fear is: Fear of failing the test, fear of crashing the car, fear of dying.

Similarly, if you're "afraid of falling off a cliff without a parachute," it'd be silly to say that you weren't afraid of falling off a cliff, right? Just because having a parachute would alleviate your fear doesn't mean that you aren't afraid of falling off the cliff.

There is a difference though, and those examples aren't equivalent because whats ultimately feared hasn't changed
A fear of dying alone the core fear isn't dying itself that's the fear, or doesn't rely on dying itself as the fear, it's that happening while their all alone
While the fear of death comes from the concept of death itself

Dying alone in this case is more akin to disappearing with no one she truly loves or cares for at her side, if she had someone she loves nearby then the fear of being alone would be lessened and the fear of death would remain irrelevant

 

[Lunkli]

There is a difference though, and those examples aren't equivalent because whats ultimately feared hasn't changed
A fear of dying alone the core fear isn't dying itself that's the fear, or doesn't rely on dying itself as the fear, it's that happening while their all alone
While the fear of death comes from the concept of death itself

Dying alone in this case is more akin to disappearing with no one she truly loves or cares for at her side, if she had someone she loves nearby then the fear of being alone would be lessened and the fear of death would remain irrelevant

Maybe it sounds like I'm repeating myself, but really that is just a fear of death. Like, the examples I've given are "equivalent because whats ultimately feared hasn't changed." That's the point I'm trying to make. In a "fear of dying alone" the ultimate fear is death, not being alone. Being alone is just the condition that, when removed, will alleviate your fear.

Like with the parachute example, the ultimate fear is "falling off a cliff," not "not having a parachute." This is obvious, of course, but its the same idea as with the "fear of dying alone." There's no fundamental difference between the structure of these fears.

Like, you say that "the fear of death comes from the concept of death itself" but that's like saying "the fear of falling comes from the falling itself," as if being afraid of splattering against the ground means that they're not actually afraid of falling. But if someone's standing in front of a cliff and you're refusing to give them a parachute, then they're still afraid of falling! Even if they would stop being afraid should you give them the parachute.

So saying "the fear of death comes from the concept of death itself" is nonsensical unless you're going to posit that every other fear works in the same way, which no one would reasonably believe. So what makes death special? Why is death the only fear that is only valid unless you're afraid of death in a vacuum without context? Why is the fear of death the only fear that has to come from the raw concept of death itself?

Personally, I think that this is a result of being afraid of being afraid of death. (thanatophobophobia?) Death is inevitable and unstoppable, so being afraid of it means being accepting a fear that will never leave you. And people don't want to accept that, so they look the other way and pretend they aren't afraid.

But anyways, yeah, if you're afraid of "dying alone," then you are afraid of "dying." The fact that removing the latter half and having someone by your side when you die will result in you not being as afraid doesn't mean that you weren't afraid of death in the first place.

And I will acknowledge that I haven't really said anything different than in my previous comment, but in the first place I don't really think that you said anything in your comment that wasn't already addressed by my previous comment.

 

[MelonManic]

And I will acknowledge that I haven't really said anything different than in my previous comment, but in the first place I don't really think that you said anything in your comment that wasn't already addressed by my previous comment.

I wouldn't worry about it, you expanded on your thoughts well enough for me to get a proper grasp of what your trying to say and I believe I understand now

Of course fear of dying alone is a fear of death, no more argument there

What I'm trying to say is that I don't believe it's a contradiction in the context of the story provided, as focus of her fear is centered around disappearing alone rather than death, as loneliness is her fear not particularly death

Though I really should've worded myself better beforehand, that's on me

 

[Lunkli]

I wouldn't worry about it, you expanded on your thoughts well enough for me to get a proper grasp of what your trying to say and I believe I understand now

Of course fear of dying alone is a fear of death, no more argument there

What I'm trying to say is that I don't believe it's a contradiction in the context of the story provided, as focus of her fear is centered around disappearing alone rather than death, as loneliness is her fear not particularly death

Though I really should've worded myself better beforehand, that's on me

Yeah, I do think that the nuance is different, and I do agree that in this context calling her fear just "the fear of death" isn't totally accurate. I just think that saying her saying she isn't afraid of death is inaccurate as well.