Keikenchi Chochiku de Nonbiri Shoushin Ryokou: Yuusha to Koibito ni Tsuihou Sareta Senshi no Mujikaku Zamaa - Ch. 48

[shinobi_2025]

She kind of had a reason.

Spoiler: further chapters

As mentioned by others, she's the Demon Lord and at level 800 (so even if Sain tried to brainwash her it wouldn't have worked since it doesn't effect anyone higher level than him). Thing is, as long as the Demon Lord lives, there will always be a Hero. And that hero will possess the capacity to learn and use an ability that will temporarily lower her by one level every second. As long as the Hero is able to hold out for a few minutes, he can turn her into a weak joke that even a brand new adventurer from a starter town could easily kill. And as I said, there will always be a Hero if there's a Demon Lord, so if she kills the Hero then someone else will gain that power, only she won't know who or where. If she kills Sain, she'll have to desperately search while the Hero grows stronger every day, and by the time she finds them they may be completely unstoppable.

So she had a few choices. First, she could kill Sain the moment she met him when he was still a weak kid, but this would just give her a new threat to hunt down. Second, she could show off her power and force him into slavery, potentially leading to deep-seated hate and eventual rebellion from the one person whose very nature has the power to nerf her. She went with the third option: corrupt him, erase any desire for justice in him, and turn herself into a partner or possession that he could never lose or allow to be damaged. This way, he'd be weaker than he could be otherwise, and he'd be easy to manipulate.

Also, she seduced Toru because she saw that Sain's most basic darkness was jealousy, and his worst lust was netori, the desire to take what "belongs" to another. Thus, by becoming Toru's girl and fiance, she ensured that Sain would burn with desire and envy and seek to take her, making it far easier to get him to not only embrace a relationship with her but get him to do so in a way that would encourage corruption, narcissism, greed, etc. And sure enough, once he'd taken Lisa and gained the power to take who he wants regardless of their will, he was quick to take everyone else Toru had just for the fun of it and dive off the deep end with enthusiasm.

Honestly, the whole thing was rather clever and well thought out.

And oh boy, she still miscalculated something at the end.......

Spoiler

By indirectly creating a greater Hero than Sein, like Toru

 

[Zhangar]

Kind of a pity killing the hero doesn't automatically makes someone else a Hero, Toru could just kill him and get the title.

It would make someone else the hero, but they'd be some random kid elsewhere in the world.

I think the Hero always starts over at level 1, so it's always some kid who hasn't gotten their class yet.

 

[Drsilence1]

Imagine the wackiness if Sain himself was the one brainwashed by Lisa all along

What I don't understand is this: if they were such bad people, why didn't they just kill someone right from the start?
Edit: I apologize, I understood the reason after reading all the comments.

 

[WillTell]

Oh noooo, I am so absolutely shocked, she turns out to be some sort of demon The demons really played the long game, sending her out to be with them for years, babysitting

 

[Morthasa]

The border between "plot twist" and "ass pull" is sometimes difficult to discern.

This is not one of those times.

 

[Peler_Silver]

Tolol lah

 

[jackjack9]

Lisa showing her true colors. Shocking!

 

[Selfisch]

If I hadn't been spoiled in this forum on like a really early chapter this would have been one hell of a twist

That being said, I think they should have beat up Sain way more before the reveal

 

[Tju]

She kind of had a reason.

Spoiler: further chapters

As mentioned by others, she's the Demon Lord and at level 800 (so even if Sain tried to brainwash her it wouldn't have worked since it doesn't effect anyone higher level than him). Thing is, as long as the Demon Lord lives, there will always be a Hero. And that hero will possess the capacity to learn and use an ability that will temporarily lower her by one level every second. As long as the Hero is able to hold out for a few minutes, he can turn her into a weak joke that even a brand new adventurer from a starter town could easily kill. And as I said, there will always be a Hero if there's a Demon Lord, so if she kills the Hero then someone else will gain that power, only she won't know who or where. If she kills Sain, she'll have to desperately search while the Hero grows stronger every day, and by the time she finds them they may be completely unstoppable.

So she had a few choices. First, she could kill Sain the moment she met him when he was still a weak kid, but this would just give her a new threat to hunt down. Second, she could show off her power and force him into slavery, potentially leading to deep-seated hate and eventual rebellion from the one person whose very nature has the power to nerf her. She went with the third option: corrupt him, erase any desire for justice in him, and turn herself into a partner or possession that he could never lose or allow to be damaged. This way, he'd be weaker than he could be otherwise, and he'd be easy to manipulate.

Also, she seduced Toru because she saw that Sain's most basic darkness was jealousy, and his worst lust was netori, the desire to take what "belongs" to another. Thus, by becoming Toru's girl and fiance, she ensured that Sain would burn with desire and envy and seek to take her, making it far easier to get him to not only embrace a relationship with her but get him to do so in a way that would encourage corruption, narcissism, greed, etc. And sure enough, once he'd taken Lisa and gained the power to take who he wants regardless of their will, he was quick to take everyone else Toru had just for the fun of it and dive off the deep end with enthusiasm.

Honestly, the whole thing was rather clever and well thought out.

ok the story by itself is absolutly fine, but the writing did not support this at all. there was like a single mention that she is 'fake' which could mean anything.
there was no foreshadowing explanation on how the demon lord/hero relationship works for example. there was basically nothing to not make this look like an asspull by the author.
the flashback from this chapter could have easily been placed somewhere into the first 10-15 chapters or so to hint that even in their youth something was alreasy going awry.
unfortunately the author did not have the neccessary skill to pull of such a twist in a satisfying way.

 

[CountryMage]

well i think there were small signs on Lisa being the mastermind all along but we didn't notice these.
the flashback shows her punching something in the ground.
Yes she did corrupt the hero but.. his rapist behavior was on him. not her. she just loves pain is all.

The one catching bugs was the Healer, who turns out is a tomboy, but she was trying to keep up appearances as a really girly priest. When the brainwashing was broken on her, she got really violent, and vowed to hunt down and kill Sain, if you remember.

Lisa was standing next to Sain, offering him a handkerchief around that time.

 

[galaxia9]

So the (presumably) demon lord placed herself alongside the hero as children to corrupt him and remove him as a threat. Maybe even giving him the rapists eye ability to begin with. Honestly that is a good plan if only divinely ordained heroes are a threat to her.

 

[KiARume]

as much as I wanted to see the piece of scum be given what he deserves I'm a bit glad we aren't spending that much time on him

 

[ItsThatBriGuy]

So, was Lisa always evil?

In the immortal words of Orson Welles, "Yes, always."

 

[mastersniper110]

She kind of had a reason.

Spoiler: further chapters

As mentioned by others, she's the Demon Lord and at level 800 (so even if Sain tried to brainwash her it wouldn't have worked since it doesn't effect anyone higher level than him). Thing is, as long as the Demon Lord lives, there will always be a Hero. And that hero will possess the capacity to learn and use an ability that will temporarily lower her by one level every second. As long as the Hero is able to hold out for a few minutes, he can turn her into a weak joke that even a brand new adventurer from a starter town could easily kill. And as I said, there will always be a Hero if there's a Demon Lord, so if she kills the Hero then someone else will gain that power, only she won't know who or where. If she kills Sain, she'll have to desperately search while the Hero grows stronger every day, and by the time she finds them they may be completely unstoppable.

So she had a few choices. First, she could kill Sain the moment she met him when he was still a weak kid, but this would just give her a new threat to hunt down. Second, she could show off her power and force him into slavery, potentially leading to deep-seated hate and eventual rebellion from the one person whose very nature has the power to nerf her. She went with the third option: corrupt him, erase any desire for justice in him, and turn herself into a partner or possession that he could never lose or allow to be damaged. This way, he'd be weaker than he could be otherwise, and he'd be easy to manipulate.

Also, she seduced Toru because she saw that Sain's most basic darkness was jealousy, and his worst lust was netori, the desire to take what "belongs" to another. Thus, by becoming Toru's girl and fiance, she ensured that Sain would burn with desire and envy and seek to take her, making it far easier to get him to not only embrace a relationship with her but get him to do so in a way that would encourage corruption, narcissism, greed, etc. And sure enough, once he'd taken Lisa and gained the power to take who he wants regardless of their will, he was quick to take everyone else Toru had just for the fun of it and dive off the deep end with enthusiasm.

Honestly, the whole thing was rather clever and well thought out.

Since it looks like you have read the novel, will the MC uno reverse card this situation immediately, or is she going to be just out of reach and a pain for multiple chapters?

I want to know if I should keep reading as it comes out or let it marinate for a little while, because I don’t want to feel frustrated with this bitch for the months it takes for the chapters to come out.

 

[MesaOracle]

Sain's ass beating is taking way too long.

 

[dokidoki]

She kind of had a reason.

Spoiler: further chapters

As mentioned by others, she's the Demon Lord and at level 800 (so even if Sain tried to brainwash her it wouldn't have worked since it doesn't effect anyone higher level than him). Thing is, as long as the Demon Lord lives, there will always be a Hero. And that hero will possess the capacity to learn and use an ability that will temporarily lower her by one level every second. As long as the Hero is able to hold out for a few minutes, he can turn her into a weak joke that even a brand new adventurer from a starter town could easily kill. And as I said, there will always be a Hero if there's a Demon Lord, so if she kills the Hero then someone else will gain that power, only she won't know who or where. If she kills Sain, she'll have to desperately search while the Hero grows stronger every day, and by the time she finds them they may be completely unstoppable.

So she had a few choices. First, she could kill Sain the moment she met him when he was still a weak kid, but this would just give her a new threat to hunt down. Second, she could show off her power and force him into slavery, potentially leading to deep-seated hate and eventual rebellion from the one person whose very nature has the power to nerf her. She went with the third option: corrupt him, erase any desire for justice in him, and turn herself into a partner or possession that he could never lose or allow to be damaged. This way, he'd be weaker than he could be otherwise, and he'd be easy to manipulate.

Also, she seduced Toru because she saw that Sain's most basic darkness was jealousy, and his worst lust was netori, the desire to take what "belongs" to another. Thus, by becoming Toru's girl and fiance, she ensured that Sain would burn with desire and envy and seek to take her, making it far easier to get him to not only embrace a relationship with her but get him to do so in a way that would encourage corruption, narcissism, greed, etc. And sure enough, once he'd taken Lisa and gained the power to take who he wants regardless of their will, he was quick to take everyone else Toru had just for the fun of it and dive off the deep end with enthusiasm.

Honestly, the whole thing was rather clever and well thought out.

Surprised they didn't just freeze the individual while keeping them alive that way and hiding them so no other replaces them

 

[ExtinctTurtle]

what a dogshit twist

 

[creepick]

somehow i ended up finding this manga again and man...

never did sit well with me how the so called 'hero' got such a ability.

Im going to guess our MC is going to awaken as the ''Real'' hero and she realized she gone messed up?
and does this mean ''Lisa'' never existed?

 

[ISingTheBodyElectric]

Spoiler: on the topic of her

What do you guys think of changing this to her being one of the generals, leaving the demon lord still a mystery, this was his plan and nothing changes on how it was executed, but he remains in the shadows and could be anyone we've met so far, as an alternative path for the story

 

[Zhangar]

somehow i ended up finding this manga again and man...

never did sit well with me how the so called 'hero' got such a ability.

Im going to guess our MC is going to awaken as the ''Real'' hero and she realized she gone messed up?
and does this mean ''Lisa'' never existed?

There's a seemingly throwaway line early in the first LN, actually from the first Sain PoV segment -- "The Demon King is like a natural disaster that appears once every hundred years. They usually emerge from the demon race, but rarely, they can appear among humans."

Lisa might've actually been her real name, but just as Sain was born as the Hero, she was born as the Demon King.

I wonder if her home village got instantly annihilated and she just spent her first few years as some unstoppable apocalypse baby.