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@Avrune what i'm saying is that satroi is a fallen god normal logic doesn't work with gods in general media zeus was an example. you follow me ?

@Avrune i mean with gods most rules are out the window you remember that one time zeus made someone pregnant by turning into a ray of light

@Abetillo oh you have no idea how pinpoint that was

@Abetillo i personally feel like this more of a stream lined version cause the servants to have no reason to fight each other also there's no i can't use Excalibur reason cause if artoira could've used beam from the start she would've ended right then and there also read the ln novel from more...

@OmegaWanderer not really... op nps are like EA his nps are a lot more convenient or resourceful if anything(excluding hippogriff) dematerialization on touch, magic resistance, and aoe sound attack and the hippogriff which would take a WAY too long to explain that's fine and all but doesn't...

@BobBob it was the only thing she had

@Reiito wait then what about people who aren't here for the romance?

insert fate reference

I feel like it's more of a 0 dose not equal 1 scenario not matter how strong or powerful it is if push off to 1 or -1 its consider demonic similar to the word demons it more of a catch all term for some characters