12 Suicidal Children - Vol. 2 Ch. 11 - Motive

[MangaDex]

 

[EchoGirl]

lol i'm surprised given how family oriented Japan/asia is, that there wouldn't be some 'automatic' thing if not companies contacting you within a year of having a kid to set up some insurance thing

I knew at least one of them would be terminally ill tho i'd expect something ironic/poetic like for him to suddenly 'get better' and live the longest

Pretty sure herpes can be medicated, no? i mean a breakout is annoying but it's not as bad as AIDS but you'd think they'd try other solutions before finding a group suicide meetup

 

[Kendama]

Pretty sure herpes can be medicated, no? i mean a breakout is annoying but it's not as bad as AIDS but you'd think they'd try other solutions before finding a group suicide meetup

The flare-ups are treatable, but the virus stays in your body for life, there's no curative medication against herpesviruses. It won't kill you 99% of the time. It can cause encephalitis, some other serious conditions like trigeminal neuralgia and may contribute to Alzheimer's (still under investigation), but it doesn't reduce life expectancy or cause debilitating illness in the vast majority of carriers.

I think what the description of her behaviour is getting at is that it doesn't matter, deep down, what the facts of the matter are. If she cannot live with her body after it got infected, what's the point in living? More deeply, it's an issue of "what can be said to be an illegitimate reason to choose suicide". In a chapter of We shall now begin Ethics, Takayanagi remarks that people kill themselves out of boredom.

Of course, with a mindset like that, how would she have reacted had she known most people carry several viruses in their body, all transmissible, none treatable, some contracted from our mothers during birth or breastfeeding, and some of which can and do cause illness given the right circumstances?

 

[Carlonos]

Bruh more than 50% of Americans have oral herpes, most break outs are just a cold sore.

 

[Gustbk]

My reaction was the same as the dude...like Herpes of all things. In his position I'd be just as baffled considering his circumstances.
He wants to live but really can't while she can live but doesn't want to.

But then again who are we to say what is valid and what isn't for someone to want to die.

 

[EchoGirl]

The flare-ups are treatable, but the virus stays in your body for life, there's no curative medication against herpesviruses. It won't kill you 99% of the time. It can cause encephalitis, some other serious conditions like trigeminal neuralgia and may contribute to Alzheimer's (still under investigation), but it doesn't reduce life expectancy or cause debilitating illness in the vast majority of carriers.

I think what the description of her behaviour is getting at is that it doesn't matter, deep down, what the facts of the matter are. If she cannot live with her body after it got infected, what's the point in living? More deeply, it's an issue of "what can be said to be an illegitimate reason to choose suicide". In a chapter of We shall now begin Ethics, Takayanagi remarks that people kill themselves out of boredom.

Of course, with a mindset like that, how would she have reacted had she known most people carry several viruses in their body, all transmissible, none treatable, some contracted from our mothers during birth or breastfeeding, and some of which can and do cause illness given the right circumstances?

Yeah i guess to a teenager every 'big problem' can seem like the end of the world but i'd hope japan would have better healthcare about that or so but i can understand why the guy with cancer would be mad, although i feel like more ppl would've been like to the other girl "oh you're being manipulated" or so with the life insurance thing or so or if she was just a bit more 'mentally messed up' and purposefully let everyone know about the life insurance and expect ppl to find the bodies (tho unless there's someone doing 'checks' in that area eventually i'd assume that spot was chosen so they wouldn't be interrupted/be found out unless the 'organizer' set it up to where ppl would know that it was a group suicide or so and end up in the news unless the media somehow covers it up for some reason)

My reaction was the same as the dude...like Herpes of all things. In his position I'd be just as baffled considering his circumstances.
He wants to live but really can't while she can live but doesn't want to.

But then again who are we to say what is valid and what isn't for someone to want to die.

I imagine normally they were never meant to be asked this reason but i would've half expected at least one person to have left already and try again with a diff group or alone, tho i'm sure there's ways to research it if they found the group in the first place unless they're worried about their internet history being traced tho that would prolly apply to how they found the online group in the first place

 

[animegunclub]

From the view of a high school kid, it's gonna be hard to really battle the social stigma of having herpies from both your school and family social circles.

Seeking legal support and medical treatment (both psychological and medicinal) would likely require opening up to your parents about it... and if your family skews conservative you might have to deal with the stigmatic judgement at home forever.

Disclosing your disease to a potential partner in High School is also risky, cause kids genuinely suck at having the sympathetic consideration to not tell the rest of the school. Tell one guy who asks you out that you have it, and the rest of the schools calling you a slut by the end of the week.

All because of a very non-consensual kiss (that she's also probably dealing with mentally). Yeah Herpies is very common, very treatable, and you can live a full life with it easily... but there are a lot roadblocks in a high schoolers way to live with it in the prime of their sexual life.

 

[gustavonerdz]

I think it's more about the trauma of being sexually abused and getting a disease from it. Like the trauma someone might get from a pregnancy from sex abuse.