Akuyaku no Goreisoku no Dou ni ka Shitai Nichijou - Vol. 6 Ch. 41 - Teacher and the Forest Miasma

[MangaDex]

 

[Picture-Horizon]

Free to steal:

when i'm lazy, I just layer the german and english on top of each other. like, with this chapter. i believe the chaos is an emotion many or all can feel.

 

[Sumasuun]

I love that everyone goes at their own pace in this. Lol

 

[freakofnature]

LOL, "the butler's name is Shitsuji". No, that (執事, "shitsuji") just means butler or steward.

 

[Picture-Horizon]

LOL, "the butler's name is Shitsuji". No, that (執事, "shitsuji") just means butler or steward.

wait, it does? the raw has different characters. i checked text-wise, but since i don't speak Japanese i can't proof someone else (Mouse) knowledge of japanese.

thank you for correcting us. the change shall swiftly follow.

edit: original panel; so that you can understand our confusion better.

 

[Milanin]

wait, it does? the raw has different characters. i checked text-wise, but since i don't speak Japanese i can't proof someone else (Mouse) knowledge of japanese.
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thank you for correcting us. the change shall swiftly follow.

I read the German page 8 first, so it was fun switching languages mid-read. What's an "Abendteurys" though? A difference rank of Abendteurer?

 

[Picture-Horizon]

What's an "Abendteurys" though? A difference rank of Abendteurer?

ending gendered words in -y (instead of ZuhörER/ZuhörERIN) turns them neutral. -ys is plural.

 

[Krasm]

When did this get boy’s love tag?

 

[Picture-Horizon]

When did this get boy’s love tag?

since the beginning ;-)
jokes aside i actually don't know either. i only took over by chapter 10.

 

[Milanin]

ending gendered words in -y (instead of ZuhörER/ZuhörERIN) turns them neutral. -ys is plural.

Ah. The modern neutrality by inventing a third gendering instead of defaulting to masculine.

 

[Picture-Horizon]

Ah. The modern neutrality by inventing a third gendering instead of defaulting to masculine.

it's not a third gender? officially it's the opposite - "entgendern" (Source in german). which means to take out the gender within the meaning. so what you want (since Hermes Phettberg uses the masculine words as basis), but also don't want (and then removes the gender).

grandpa, there are times when you can't use "he" for everything. Kitty is not a "he", nor are the other maids. Gender became a modern concept a while ago (before christ's birth). You are right with saying every latin language started out with viewing masculinity as the gender-neutral one, but it was from a time when men were in power of everything and being a woman was a man's decoration. hence why many feminists (all genders welcome btw) want to genderneutral the language aka nuke gendered language. there's still no genderneutral word for "blond/e". "blond" is male and "blonde" is female for an example.

Phettberg's concept (1992) of taking out the gender isn't new either. in english they do it with they/them (18th century). no matter how much you dislike the idea of taking out the gender or in your case of an Olympic mental gymnastic (using the basic gender, which used to be male before i was born, and then taking out the gender completely, just to readd a gender for some reason, to create a new gender, because nowadays private parts aren't a private thing anymore, and everything is called 'third gender' for people who don't want to understand in logic nor emotions); this debate has been always food for thoughts you might not like it, but i prefer the -y neutering over, because the text flows better like this: "Abenteuern & Abenteuerinnen" -> "Abenteuerys".

but i can understand it might be too much for you. i mean, you must be at least have been born in the 1960's germany to view this kind of discussion new. roughly 15 years later to read next to "man", "frau" after Verena Stefan's concept always bugs someone, somehow after all.

 

[Milanin]

it's not a third gender? officially it's the opposite - "entgendern" (Source in german). which means to take out the gender within the meaning. so what you want (since Hermes Phettberg uses the masculine words as basis), but also don't want (and then removes the gender).

grandpa, there are times when you can't use "he" for everything. Kitty is not a "he", nor are the other maids. Gender became a modern concept a while ago (before christ's birth). You are right with saying every latin language started out with viewing masculinity as the gender-neutral one, but it was from a time when men were in power of everything and being a woman was a man's decoration. hence why many feminists (all genders welcome btw) want to genderneutral the language aka nuke gendered language. there's still no genderneutral word for "blond/e". "blond" is male and "blonde" is female for an example.

Phettberg's concept (1992) of taking out the gender isn't new either. in english they do it with they/them (18th century). no matter how much you dislike the idea of taking out the gender or in your case of an Olympic mental gymnastic (using the basic gender, which used to be male before i was born, and then taking out the gender completely, just to readd a gender for some reason, to create a new gender, because nowadays private parts aren't a private thing anymore, and everything is called 'third gender' for people who don't want to understand in logic nor emotions); this debate has been always food for thoughts you might not like it, but i prefer the -y neutering over, because the text flows better like this: "Abenteuern & Abenteuerinnen" -> "Abenteuerys".

but i can understand it might be too much for you. i mean, you must be at least have been born in the 1960's germany to view this kind of discussion new. roughly 15 years later to read next to "man", "frau" after Verena Stefan's concept always bugs someone, somehow after all.

TL;DR: Guess I'm a Granpa then.

As a person who has only learned German from school in the form of Gendered language with a C2 from Geothe, I never had the chance to encounter "gender neuter" German in my 32 years on this Earth.

So, it is a new concept to me just like how the English language is a blight with their -x to the point that calling someone from Hispanic countries Latinx can get you beaten.

Der/Die/Das or He/She/It is the only way I have ever learned and heard of the language being spoken and have never encountered it written gender neutral to the point of -y being, so it's a third gender even zero-th gender if you prefer if you don't want it to be It.

I am not against people being neutral, possibly even a Newt, a Amoeba, a Apache or whatever of the RGB(0-255x3+i), but it has been the first time I have encountered this with your Abenteuerys. I am however in the camp that being called an It by choice is dehumanising and not just degendering.

Seeing as most of anything mentioned online in the first 5 pages of a Google search is from Corona times or later, that's something I consider new for a language I learned at 8 y/o to never require a tutor until I needed Fach specific words in college courses.
I stand corrected on the topic that it's from a 1970s Feminist movement and not a new thing, but it sure didn't go international.

 

[Picture-Horizon]

I apologize for my outburst. I reacted too emotional to your comment, because it sounds mocking (talking down my efforts). I called it "german neuter" as in "gender sterilizing". the correct term is "degender" or "entgender" ("ent" as in opposite, like the "un" for "unpolite").

it's not the same as the the -x in English, as german language already provides an -x version (which is kinda complicated, so i'm not using it). I've read that latin@s might use an "at" instead, which comes closer to -y. (using the masculine version and then neutral it or the concept of plural to singular, like they/them.)

Der/Die/Das or He/She/It is the only way I have ever learned and heard of the language being spoken

i'm certain you've learnt about "Das Mädchen", which is in itself dehumanizing and (not so) funny degendern. so neutralizing/adding a third gender has been always there ¯\(ツ)/¯, but it was beaten into us as "common" knowledge. a classic example of male power, as "Der Junge" is male gendered.

with a C2 from Geothe

i'm just a native german without any (special) ranks attached to me. since this manga is less strict on things and my translations (hopefully) inofficial, it's fine to find ways of easy reading (as it uses easier language over complicated words- literally!!) and keep the flow of reading.

 

[Milanin]

i'm certain you've learnt about "Das Mädchen", which is in itself dehumanizing and (not so) funny degendern. so neutralizing/adding a third gender has been always there ¯\(ツ)/¯, but it was beaten into us as "common" knowledge. a classic example of male power, as "Der Junge" is male gendered.

That's a good example. With how I learned the language, I never stopped and thought too deeply about how Mädchen and Fräulein and others are Das but Frau is Die. As I always considered Junge as a piecemeal word from Junger Man with Man being the hidden silent denominator for Der being applied.