Amayo no Tsuki - Vol. 11 Ch. 41 - Courage

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Saki gets hit in the face during gym so the school doctor sends her to hospital/home(not sure which). While she’s waiting for a bus the crush from middle school—Mahiro—shows up and Saki immediately has a panic attack. Mahiro is then aggressively “friendly” and pushy while Saki is obviously miserable. The latest chapter ends with her dragging saki onto a bus, and Kanon is getting worried cause Saki isn’t reading any of her messages.

So definitely pretty bad.
 
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Saki gets hit in the face during gym so the school doctor sends her to hospital/home(not sure which). While she’s waiting for a bus the crush from middle school—Mahiro—shows up and Saki immediately has a panic attack. Mahiro is then aggressively “friendly” and pushy while Saki is obviously miserable. The latest chapter ends with her dragging saki onto a bus, and Kanon is getting worried cause Saki isn’t reading any of her messages.

So definitely pretty bad.
Wow.
I'll check back when that arc ends...
 
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...I mean... dating someone does tend to require matching compatible genders and orientations...
what i mean to say is that saki has been fearful about being found out and lose her friend's affection since the start, and since way before during her entire life she has known she's a lesbian she's always had to hide herself. this would be a great way to focus on saki's development and psychology and emotional needs in a manga that has dealt mostly with kanon's. if kanon sorts out her feelings and.. idk, asks her out or something, we would be robbed of seeing that development because the problem never arose in the first place. saki's feelings would be requited and she will never have dealt with her fear on its own, without a love confession to "solve it". this is a story about their love yes, but also about their friendship and this has been the primary issue from saki's perspective for a long long while. it's not just that she's in love with kanon, but that she can't bring herself to trust her friend to even say she likes girls in the first place (plus, her love for piano is intrinsically tied to her first love for her teacher). if kanon finds out without them touching on their feelings, saki will finally know the relief of opening up to a friend about it and being accepted as she is. she doesn't have to necessarily be requited. she deserves to know kanon would never reject her from her life particularly because of her sexuality. not as a lover, but as a friend. (her life isn't just kanon after all. this is a fear that permeates all her relationships.)

this is also good for kanon's development. kanon has been confused about what she feels for a while now and she subconsciously suspects what it is. if she found out saki's gay it would make it real. one thing is to harbor feelings about someone you think is impossible to entertain, another is to know reality is closer than you thought.
 
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In chapter 43, saki is thinking about her problems with "that" girl and thinking about kanon and what she need to do, in gymnasium she's was distracted and a ball hit her head and she left earlier and waiting for the bus to come, her "friend" from middle school appears and that triggers saki bad experience with her and she talks to Saki and asks why she's there, and Saki explains about the ball, etc., and then she forces Saki to go with her on the bus to Saki's house.
 
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what i mean to say is that saki has been fearful about being found out and lose her friend's affection since the start, and since way before during her entire life she has known she's a lesbian she's always had to hide herself. this would be a great way to focus on saki's development and psychology and emotional needs in a manga that has dealt mostly with kanon's. if kanon sorts out her feelings and.. idk, asks her out or something, we would be robbed of seeing that development because the problem never arose in the first place. saki's feelings would be requited and she will never have dealt with her fear on its own, without a love confession to "solve it". this is a story about their love yes, but also about their friendship and this has been the primary issue from saki's perspective for a long long while. it's not just that she's in love with kanon, but that she can't bring herself to trust her friend to even say she likes girls in the first place (plus, her love for piano is intrinsically tied to her first love for her teacher). if kanon finds out without them touching on their feelings, saki will finally know the relief of opening up to a friend about it and being accepted as she is. she doesn't have to necessarily be requited. she deserves to know kanon would never reject her from her life particularly because of her sexuality. not as a lover, but as a friend. (her life isn't just kanon after all. this is a fear that permeates all her relationships.)

this is also good for kanon's development. kanon has been confused about what she feels for a while now and she subconsciously suspects what it is. if she found out saki's gay it would make it real. one thing is to harbor feelings about someone you think is impossible to entertain, another is to know reality is closer than you thought.
I think you're WAAAAY overthinking this.
The way this is described here is way more dramatic than reality needs to be.

You don't need to go through the 12 steps of queerness before you do anything.

You don't need to come out in a very specific fashion, trauma dump, guage acceptance, wait until things are "back to normal" then ask someone out. (Don't need to come out at all)

You can just ask them out, and talk while a couple of it works out.

She doesn't need to sort out a specific label and hold a press conference.

She can just like a girl and be liked by a girl.

People these days are simultaneously clinging to labels like they're clubs instead of adjectives while simultaneously changing the definitions thereof into increasingly-vague parameters... But I digress.

The point is that you can just live your life as it comes. The future isn't purely dictates by the past.
She does not NEED to bring past drama into this relationship. She can deal with it in other ways.

Why does putting that on one's partner help anything?

Seek comfort with your partner, if course, but that shouldn't be the first thing you do! I ended up in a horrible relationship because of that.
 
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I think you're WAAAAY overthinking this.
The way this is described here is way more dramatic than reality needs to be.

You don't need to go through the 12 steps of queerness before you do anything.

You don't need to come out in a very specific fashion, trauma dump, guage acceptance, wait until things are "back to normal" then ask someone out. (Don't need to come out at all)

You can just ask them out, and talk while a couple of it works out.

She doesn't need to sort out a specific label and hold a press conference.

She can just like a girl and be liked by a girl.

People these days are simultaneously clinging to labels like they're clubs instead of adjectives while simultaneously changing the definitions thereof into increasingly-vague parameters... But I digress.

The point is that you can just live your life as it comes. The future isn't purely dictates by the past.
She does not NEED to bring past drama into this relationship. She can deal with it in other ways.

Why does putting that on one's partner help anything?

Seek comfort with your partner, if course, but that shouldn't be the first thing you do! I ended up in a horrible relationship because of that.
Well, from Saki's pov she is being held back by whatever struggles and trauma she's had had, and it is shown such. She does need to get over whatever she's being hung up on in order to move forward.

Am kinda happy that the JP chapters are finally touching on her past to see what's also affecting her actually.

Aside from the 'friend', none of the characters presented thus far had explicitly mentioned any negative comments about same sex relationships.

Akira in the earlier chapters even stated that it's just a normal want.
 
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some spoilers from chapter 42

Even Ayano, who has figured out what's up with these two idiots wasn't even phased by it. Anyway, would like to see the translator's take on this

I'm really thinking Saki is just the sort of person who just didnt want to impose her wants on others, in contrast to Kanon's tendency to do things on a whim. Even the earlier chapter with Rinne kinda implied so. She seems afraid of hurting other people's feelings.

A much earlier chapter where these two went on a movie together, Kanon even told her that there will be times Saki might do something that would hurt her, but she would know Saki's intent was genuine and thus would be ok with it. I'm thinking this might be why we had that chapter.
 
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There's just something that's been bugging me since the fireworks: Kanon has been pretty obvious that she was starting then kept crushing harder and harder for Saki romantically. But Saki didn't seem to notice any of those times, which is a bit jarring. Lately, it's been much more interesting to reframe the problem from her point of view as the possibility of romance might threaten the friendship they both value very much.

Rinne clocked Saki early then noticed Kanon next, the new photographer gal did it from afar, so I hope there will be the excuse that Saki had to lock away for her time her feelings when she had trouble even looking Kanon in the eye (but see, she didn't react when Kanon had the exact same reaction when she found her this pretty in her recital dress!)

Then again, I think the fact the jig is up might explain Saki's anger and frustration. From her point of view, she can't confess anything without risking too much, so it's true that it's more than time that Kanon asks Miura-sensei the definition of homosexuality because it might get hold to hear wonder wonder why the both of them keep getting this flustered.

This is just a mild criticism (mostly because I binged this and I'm pissed there's no confession when I'm done) but mostly about pacing. Otherwise, this story really translate well The Struggle of never knowing if you want/should risk a friendship for romance that so many (if not all?!) queer folks go through.
 
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I think you're WAAAAY overthinking this.
The way this is described here is way more dramatic than reality needs to be.

You don't need to go through the 12 steps of queerness before you do anything.

You don't need to come out in a very specific fashion, trauma dump, guage acceptance, wait until things are "back to normal" then ask someone out. (Don't need to come out at all)

You can just ask them out, and talk while a couple of it works out.

She doesn't need to sort out a specific label and hold a press conference.

She can just like a girl and be liked by a girl.

People these days are simultaneously clinging to labels like they're clubs instead of adjectives while simultaneously changing the definitions thereof into increasingly-vague parameters... But I digress.

The point is that you can just live your life as it comes. The future isn't purely dictates by the past.
She does not NEED to bring past drama into this relationship. She can deal with it in other ways.

Why does putting that on one's partner help anything?

Seek comfort with your partner, if course, but that shouldn't be the first thing you do! I ended up in a horrible relationship because of that.
ok, thank you for the life lesson, but i'm talking about a fictional story with fictional themes and characters that were created to go through a certain development logic. i'm not looking at saki and kanon as real people here. i'm looking at them as characters with specific hangups in this certain genre of story that tends to adress hang-ups because the narrative itself brought them forth. if you're looking at that from a completely different view, nice, congrats, but you decided to engage with my opinion and this is the principle i'm coming from.
 
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Saki gets hit in the face during gym so the school doctor sends her to hospital/home(not sure which). While she’s waiting for a bus the crush from middle school—Mahiro—shows up and Saki immediately has a panic attack. Mahiro is then aggressively “friendly” and pushy while Saki is obviously miserable. The latest chapter ends with her dragging saki onto a bus, and Kanon is getting worried cause Saki isn’t reading any of her messages.

So definitely pretty bad.
I mean it's not horrible, there are worse arcs

Sounds like a good time for Kanon to figure things out and Saki to move past her trauma - type of arc.
 
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There's just something that's been bugging me since the fireworks: Kanon has been pretty obvious that she was starting then kept crushing harder and harder for Saki romantically. But Saki didn't seem to notice any of those times, which is a bit jarring. Lately, it's been much more interesting to reframe the problem from her point of view as the possibility of romance might threaten the friendship they both value very much.

Rinne clocked Saki early then noticed Kanon next, the new photographer gal did it from afar, so I hope there will be the excuse that Saki had to lock away for her time her feelings when she had trouble even looking Kanon in the eye (but see, she didn't react when Kanon had the exact same reaction when she found her this pretty in her recital dress!)

Then again, I think the fact the jig is up might explain Saki's anger and frustration. From her point of view, she can't confess anything without risking too much, so it's true that it's more than time that Kanon asks Miura-sensei the definition of homosexuality because it might get hold to hear wonder wonder why the both of them keep getting this flustered.

This is just a mild criticism (mostly because I binged this and I'm pissed there's no confession when I'm done) but mostly about pacing. Otherwise, this story really translate well The Struggle of never knowing if you want/should risk a friendship for romance that so many (if not all?!) queer folks go through.
I don't think that's quite fair about how obvious any of this is. You've read Saki and Miura-sensei perfectly, I think, I'm just emphasizing how there isn't evidence for many folks seeing through the confusion.

The art isn't shared reality. Just in a sense of how Kuzushiro's method of using art: The author has depicted different facial expressions in alternate flashbacks of the same scenes, so rather than a depiction of obvious blushing we're seeing exaggerations of ground truth that are the most expressively true for the viewpoint character. The POV subtly reshapes scenes because the art serves the POV story. It's not uncommon but it feels pronounced here. The tradeoff is we learn more about the POV character by emphasis, but less about what others know about the POV character.

So from Saki's perspective we do not canonically know how much of Kanon's affectionate discombobulation is obvious. It's less obvious in her POV scenes and vice versa. And Saki's got a lot on her mind, her cognitive load from masking and holding her tension would limit her thinking clearly about Kanon. With the art direction here, there's a bit of extra importance on the photos as ground truth and not just POV-truth.

Subtext > Realism. One thing that I haven't gotten used to in East Asian queer media is the degree emphasis on subtext and leaving things unsaid, in comparison to contemporary queer media from the 'west' or even South Asia. Coded communication as art is part of our history, it's safer and poetic, but it doesn't have as much utility when there's nothing illegal or widely scorned... but if subtext artfulness is already emphasized by a culture apparently we get even more of it in queer media despite acceptance rising to relatively safe and neutral levels. We can't rely on characters to catch others nuances and body language. Miura-sensei, Saki, Saki-mom, and the hairdresser friend are the only people to have demonstrated clear awareness of the lesbians being lesbians. For now I'm forgiving this manga for this since it bifurcates the approach with having some people in the know and everyone else unclear ... which is honestly accurate to the main character POVs even if it's unrealistic.

So a lot of people clocked the couple for a moment but we don't know how many people that truly registered to. Probably most? But it's not proven. Rinne knows something is up, childhood friends and some new friends know something is up, but words and ideas that would be top of mind for them are hidden from us.

Not that things need to be PSA-carrying subtext-is-for-cowards like I Favor The Villainess; Realistic is more or less shown in the balance of early on lacking words to later clearly understanding and using words in She Likes To Cook, She Likes To Eat. Stories don't need to be real-world-style with their prose but it does bother me when half the cast may have figured out the romance here yet the info is obscured far more than necessary. Amayo no Tsuki handling the transition from half-subtext to open romance will probably determine if it's a masterpiece or trying to add depth with narrative tools that confuse and can annoy readers.
 

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