Anaesthesiologist Hana - Vol. 1 Ch. 1 - Anaesthesiologists

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damn I should really study so I can live this manga instead of fail out of school by wasting time reading this manga. Solid opening, and I really like this. I look forward to more chapters.
 
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>Anaesthetists actually listening to surgeons
This is more unrealistic than any battle shounen I've ever read. But still looks like it will be good.
 
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I'm glad that Anaesthesiologists are treated better than this in America. Also, it's one of the highest paying jobs in America. Over $350,000 as a yearly salary.

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https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/What-Is-the-Average-Anesthesiologist-Salary-by-State
 
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My friend works as one. It is so damn true. She always tells me that she wants to quit but can't, they are treated badly by surgeons, have horrible schedule and diet,never thanked and have a really low salary (at least in my country). The bit about sexual harassment is true too. What's surprising is that Japan is a first world country but anaesthesiologists are treated the same as in developing countries.
 
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That wasn't mouth to mouth from what it looks like and i would love to kick this guy's ass at page 17. Groping a lady is unvorgivable
 
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Surgical tech here, the way the surgeon receives and uses the knife scares me haha. (risk of the doc nicking himself or me, also the patient since he would have to change his grip on the knife to use it) Also anesthesiologists are really layed back during surgery in my experience(literally playing solitaire) , but ya its like a life guard its chill until shit hits the fan and everything is on them. Its always pretty scary when the patient starts bucking when we are operating and we all look at the anesthesia for some sort of reassurance.
 
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@olbi4 Yeah, I was confused by that, too. Talking about permission of profs and so on, maybe she's in some sort of medical program and it's the course she's taken, so if she quits she has to quit the program altogether? In the sense that once you make a choice of your course you can't just switch to a different track?

Or it's some sort of applied program where a company (or hospital or whatever) pays for your education and in exchange you have to at least work x years for them, essentially paying off your debt to them?

Can't imagine this could be an perfectly ordinary job situation. Surely you can quit those at any point.
 
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Supposed you work at a convenience store, and knowing that you got no one covering your next shift, you walk up to your boss and quit. Fine. It happens. Your boss might say something or might not, and some of your co-workers might be as restrained, but probably not. You might have been getting piled on the whole time you were there but seen independently, yours was a dick move too, and some one will remember.

Now, it's a real job, a surgery not selling some ciggies and beer. Surgeries can very dynamically scheduled. A surgery bringing together with surgerns and his PAs, the the anaesthesiologist and his assistant, and other surgical fellows and people who just want to watch. A very complex setup of highly skilled, highly busy people can set up within half an hour. Of all this people, anaesthesiologist is expected to be a more flexible of the rest, even though his his is incredibly important too. A highly skilled surgeon too can be pretty flexible because a lot of the pre-op and post-op duties can fall to other surgeons. But if he says he's got time from 6AM to 2PM tomorrow, that's one thing is not going to move.

An anaesthesiologist coming in here and basically throwing a wrench in the works would be known. It would follow her. No one would really care about the treatment she had before because by doing this, she screwed the patient, not the doctors who's been abusing her. She can shut it down and walk away. No one is going to make her work. But everyone around her will make sure she understands what the consequence of her action is going to be. At the next hospital she interviews, if they hear about this, most likely, it is not going to hire her. Her anaesthesiologist colleagues are going to wonder if she's going to leave them high and dry. The surgeons are going to wonder if this girl is going to check out of the work that she want to do.

Other people have similar responsibilities too. A lawyer can't just decide to drop a client because he doesn't like her. You got entered into a client-lawyer relationship, that's going to remain unless there's some serious issues. Some judges, after a hearing, and deep consideration, might let you off, requiring you to refund all the fees so far. Other judges, especially in a circuit with public defender, knowing that if he releases his lawyer, then he's going to have to appoint someone else for him, and that's going to be a drain in his circuit's budget, will try everything to not let him off. Any business contracts with specific performance that you don't feel like completing? Better take Look at the liquidated damage provision before you repudiate the contract. Jobs where you can't simply walk away aren't common, but they exist and they tend to be very important, significant jobs that most of us hasn't had yet.
 
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Joke told me by my (American) anaesthesiologist after my colonoscopy procedure:
When patients get my bill, they always remark: 'You charged $2000 to put me to sleep?' And I have to tell them: 'No, I only charge $5 to put you to sleep. But it's $1995 to wake you back up.'
So US anaesthesiologists apparently have it a lot better, financially at least, than many others in the world. The high stakes nature of the job is the same.
 
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You are wrong on two counts.
One : Leaving who you're working with out to dry in a sudden unexpected manner isn't resignation, it's abandonment of employment. The latter would indeed leave a lot of people in hot water in a hospital contest (and is a terrible idea for the employee, abuse or not), but resignation when you have outstanding critical duties doesn't mean you're saying "smell ya, bitches", it means "alright, we are going to legally sever my contract, so in exchange for me having to perform any outstanding duties, you agree to let me go with the legally outstanding compensation I am due and not try to pile any further duties in the future". In high stakes jobs, resignation is like firing, in that you're not out the door the next day, it's a process that can take weeks to months, and aims to settles issues for both parties.
Two : Lawyers can and absolutely do ditch their clients, all the damn time in fact. It's just that the client is owed an equivalent replacement that will be spontaneously offered to him without any need to find one himself.
How do I know that ? Why, having frequented worker's rights attorneys for a good decade now, due to me suing my employer for unlawful termination. With the caveat that I'm european, not Japanese. But needing the express approval of someone to even have the right to resign ? Yeah, critical job or not, I call bullshit. Hana would still have to work a fair bit, but a resignation notice is unilateral. Any fiction that tells you a boss can just say "lol nope" to one is only doing it for dramatic effect.
 
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Either this is purely idiotic or what Pyoro said is true: She might be in some kind of Japanese specialisation program, and is thus not an anaesthesiologist yet, just one in training. After all, in a developed country no physician would work for five bucks an hour, so she can't be just a regular doctor in a regular job. You could also interpret her thoughts and speech in this chapter to mean that if she resigns now, it also means she won't be an anaesthesiologist anymore. If she was just a regular, qualified professional, she could continue working as an anaesthesiologist in another hospital.

However, the chief said the hospital can't use interns and part-timers to replace her, which seems to suggest against the above theory. After all, if the MC simply had a contract saying she needs to work for a time for the hospital after finishing her specialisation, she would get a normal wage, not a subhuman wage.

So, I have to conclude this simply doesn't make sense to make the MC look like a martyr. Perhaps she's paid a pittance simply due to the time-honoured Japanese prose tradition dictating a hero must be piss-poor.
 
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@Kaarme No one in their right minds would allow interns to induce and maintain anesthesia without proper supervision, or if they did at least not in emergent and/or urgent cases like what was shown. Part-timers are probably as untrained as interns in their setting or not even certified. So her being still an anesthesiology resident still checks out.

Most of the people who I've encountered with the same issue just want to quit their current workplace, but eventually quit the program altogether even after transferring hospitals. Her complaints of overwork, harassment, and poor pay are probably specific to her current hospital and not everywhere else. Obviously, different places play differently, but in general residents don't get paid as much as attending physicians. I mean, when I was in residency my pay was roughly the same as her, only it was on a per day basis (I'm in a developing country). Her salary still seems low for Japan though.

From my personal experience, I agree that they're one of the more chill programs. Of course they also get stacked with work and shit also happens, but that normal with every other specialty. At least they don't need to run around as much. Most of my friends who went to anesthesiology training quit because they got bored not doing anything or being trapped in the OR. Haha.
 
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@polkadotstingray2020 By checking a random net site for salaries, the absolutely minimum typical physician salary in Japan is 444,000 yen a month, which would be well over 4,000 dollars. That's just the very minimum, with the average being a whole lot more. I don't know who's earning this minimum, but maybe it means vastly reduced hours or some volunteering situation. You would need to work quite a few hours a day even for that minimum if you made five bucks an hour, haha.

Yeah, it's not my profession, so I'll believe everything you said. I only said what I said about interns and such to try to make some sense out of that pay. But obviously it's only fictional nonsense to make the MC look more pitiful and her situation more dire.
 

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