Ani no Yome to Kurashite Imasu. - Vol. 3 Ch. 30 - Diary 30

[MangaDex]

 

[Serenata]

OH?! did we avoid a huge misunderstanding train-wreck just now? I mean, not all the details are clear yet but at least it wasn't a huge explosion of lies D:
I thought before "Well, I guess is necessary to make confusion in order to advance the story " but I'm so glad it didn't take it far XP

Also, awfully convenient for Nozomi to show up there... I guess we are... safe?

 

[yuu-oniichan]

Shiho got caught cheating on Nozomi! "She's MY family member, shoo shoo dad!" LOL

 

[livesofflight]

So sweet

 

[PrunJuice]

Okay, somebody add a Yuri tag to this already LMOA

 

[totallynotmike]

Ugh, don't. If it'll end up like Stretch, i don't want to hear about "trauma" because "no development" from yurifags. And Stretch had way more subtext than this title. Its only "fault" lied in the fact that it got uploaded to DS.

 

[MacMeaties]

It ain't yuri till bitches be gaying all over each other. This just about qualifies as shoujo ai if even that.

 

[pavel94]

I hate these dramatic I couldn't hear you because of the train situations. Only thing worse is the convenient phone call during a dramatic scene.
Oh well, at least we got a kinda yandere Nozomi and the lies have been exposed, so we don't have to worry about them. Though, I gotta wonder what Shino would have answered if she did hear the question. Would it sound awkward if she said she's her emotional pillar that supports her from not breaking down?

Also, according to MangaUpdates there are 4 volumes released so far. Are there raws somewhere? Just wanna know how long to wait till the next chapter.

 

[Kamui]

RANT

God, why people still use the "shoujo-ai" thing? Yuri is everything from "girlship" to hardcore sex as long as it only includes girls. Shoujo-ai would mean something like "pedo love for girls" and doesn't even exist in Japan. Also, this series while does fall under what Japan would call yuri, the tag over the west implies the possibility of a real lesbian relationship. That is not really a possibility here yet, so I don't think the tag should be added.

/rant over.

More on topic, man I really love this series even it does use cliché things awkwardly here and there.

 

[NightSide]

As much as I love Shoujo Ai /Yuri genre, I don't really want this manga to go that way. I mean, this kind of relationship story is not many in number, also this is kinda comfy. Should go for subtext at max, if it not already is.

 

[totallynotmike]

I love how people are so insist on the "fact" that eros is the only kind of love that can exist between /non-blood-relates-strangers/ . Gross.

 

[Aoitenshi]

Why does every chapter seems to hint that kind of development? Please don't let it be true.

 

[GuiltyBoomerang]

Can't they just be in a very sisterly and platonic relationship?

I'd assume any misunderstandings would really derail the series and see it go on a cliche rollercoaster.

 

[MacMeaties]

@Kamui

Honestly regardless of whether or not that is true that is really dumb logic as that would make pretty much any series with a close female friendship into yuri regardless of actual romantic feelings.

 

[Kamui]

@ MacMeaties Well, no. It's not that "includes" is more that it is about a deep relationship between females. The relationship doesn't have to be romantic or sexual, just "deep". The word is used as a blanket term and it has all the flaws those kind of things always have. In the west people went silly and created the term "shoujo-ai" for subtext/not porn yuri and left yuri for "lesbian porn" only.

My point is that we should really stop using the "shoujo-ai" bullshit and only tag subtext/actual romance with the "yuri" tag too. In that order of ideas, I think this series doesn't really need the "yuri" tag because as of yet it is still entirely platonic. I do question some scenes that seem to be trying to hint at something else but the author defuses them pretty quickly too.

 

[totallynotmike]

Mmm, that's cool and all, but how about trying to convince the folks at DS to adopt that mindset first? Why try reworking the functional -and functioning- language here? As far as i know, that's the main place in the "western" internet that deals with GL manga, and has the largest community of people specifically and exclusively interested in asian comics depicting that and similar themes. I'm sure it would've been more efficient as a long term strategy for revolutionizing people perception, as every yurifag is bound to spent at least some time there at some point.

Oh wait, i think it's because it's been tried several times already, and nobody wanted to go with it. We're not in Japan. "Shoujo ai" may not hold the same connotations here and there, but term itself has already crystallized its meaning, for better or worse. It works, it "increases granularity", and everyone recognizes it for it. I don't see other ways to do that, aside from making up some new words, or mass introducing large amount of very specific tags targeted at fetishists, like you know, they did on DS.

And over all, i don't want to see idiots lowering the scores because something failed to meet their expectations of showing "explicit depiction of fictionalized lesbian romance". Once again i refer you to Stretch - people bitched and bitched, even when there wasn't even one tag indicating romantic development between the leads.

 

[Kamui]

@mikegnesium perhaps there's a reason I didn't even mention Dynasty. Well, there is: I don't give two shits about it or its "community". And also, no Dynasty is not the "largest GL community". It is the biggest GL manga reader, tho. I just find the shoujo-ai term stupid and unnecessary, but it was a rant directed at the community itself not at this particular place.

 

[totallynotmike]

Fair enough, i don't like them either. Point was to try making a change in a place, where it would actually matter. On genre aggregate site like this one, no one (effectively) will want to go with it, as it would put things into a frenzy. You don't get to hack the language by some artificial, one-time exclusion in one area. On the other hand, kink-specific aggregate site(s?) also seem to reject the idea, so i don't know.

Besides, i believe it would also result in influx of idiots in places, that really don't need their presence. I would hate to read comments like "man, this would be great, but they should finally forget about the fucking guy and get together" here, if some deluded weirdo decided to categorize this title as "yuri", because <common_sense!=1>. "Shoujo ai" would at least give it some plausible deniability (in terms of widely accepted understanding, vague as it may be) - not that i would want to see it tagged as such either. Both are umbrella terms, but two are better than one.

 

[FiddlePop]

@mikegnesium, I think the tag system at DS works because it is DS, I don't think this or any other site needs it, but DS doing it isn't a bad thing

@Kamui, sadly but truly Shoujo-ai and Yuri do mean different things now

Also, I would like to know why you guys are so done with DS

 

[totallynotmike]

I don't wanna go on a rant, and besides, nobody cares.

So, tl;dr version: i've spent about six months or so on their forums, and didn't like what i'd seen. At all. Weird, condescending attitude of some people originating in their sexual preferences, constant yearning for "kissus", "confessions", "good endings" and "sempai-kouhai dynamics", combined with repeated ad nauseam bitching about males - all of that occasionally sprinkled with little bits of third wave feminism ("patriarchy", "wage gap", "societal pressure", yada yada yada) ; first and last thing mentioned weren't the norm, but it wasn't like i'd seen them once only. Plus, overall weird double standard when it came to lesbians (that one's on me of course, because "targeted audience", but still, shit like "there's something romantic about girl cheating on a guy with another girl" said with - i presume - a straight face, really gets on my nerves.)

And finally, when something different came along (fiction, in terms of execution, or approach to subject), it usually got put down quickly (i think community backlash might've killed on or two translation projects, though it is a conjecture on my part), and when it didn't, it very often got dissected in all the wrong places (one third of a thread wasted on a line "the man whom i loved", that had been buried by surrounding text in Huyou Satoyoshi oneshot - because explicitly establishing sexual orientation of a lead is what really mattered there).

Is all of this anecdotal? Sure. After all, i only did read comments for works that interested me. But i'm not going back to check whether i was right or wrong with my assessment.

...huh. Looks like i actually did went on a rant. I might really despise yuridom (group, not people ; personas, not personalities - if they don't overlap with their real-life counterparts of course).