Arafoo Kenja no Isekai Seikatsu Nikki - Vol. 3 Ch. 17 - Ossan and speaking about his experiences

[Kaarme]

@elfalas For my own defence, I live in a country with little corruption and where everything has to go by the book. The power of women is mainly shown in divorce cases when it's decided who gets to keep the children. But I reckon that's the same in most developed nations. Trying to convince officials or bank employees to diverge from anything that's supposed to go by the book just by the virtue of acting innocent or convincing will most likely lead absolutely nowhere. Of course if in some individual case someone simply has to decide between two people's stories, then it's a different thing. But in cases where that's not the case, it's just not a part of the culture here. I guess in Japan things are different? It would be my mistake, then, once again, failing to see things from that alien culture's pov.

At least the dude won the court case, even if he still lost his job. We can assume his sister faced a shittier end, with a prison sentence.

@Robbini Not his problem them. Yet somehow he allowed it to become his problem, which was his mistake. If you try to entertain a scorpion, you will get stung. If the sister convinced someone to let her into his apartment, the dude should have called the police. Whoever it was who let the sister in would have suffered the consequences of aiding a burglar. If he didn't do it, it again demonstrates he was lenient with the sister.

@Leo80221 If that's true, getting fired was a good thing for him. If you spend too much time with idiots, you risk falling to their level yourself. Where I live, there's an old saying that you will become alike to the company you keep.

 

[chojinra]

Author was a bit too precise about that sister character.. You okay, author?

 

[Robbini]

@Kaarme

Social pressure... is different in Japan.
And from what I understood, it was a company dorm with several different apartments for the workers, but they somehow allowed her to live there, not her actually living in his apartment.
She then snuck into other apartments.

And sure, he could've called the cops whenever she entered his apartment or whenever he knows she entered another apartment, but why didn't those others do it ? Were they feeling pitiful for her or her sobstories ? Didn't know ? Convinced themselves it was nothing ?

I mean, calling the cops saying 'My sister entered my coworker's apartment, stole some things and ate their food, arrest her' is one thing, if she's actually so good at sob stories she would probably come up with a good story of how she's so poor and only relying on her brother, but can't afford food even etc. and those co-workers probably would forgive her if she doesn't do it too much, and if the actual victims don't want to make it a case, then why would the police want to do it ? Especially if she convinces them as well.

I mean, I recently heard of a pretty gruesome case in japan. (don't read spoiler if you don't want gore)

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Appearantly one of four guys caught a fancy to a young woman but was rebuffed by her. Three of them had low connections to yakuza. They appearantly kidnapped her, imprisoned her in one of their parents' home, raped, beat etc. her for 60 days until she died. They only got 10 years each I believe, her family didn't do anything afterwards, but appearantly of their mothers hates her family from 'allowing' their child to be the reason for her son going to jail.

Now, that case is probably an outlier.
But if he repeatedly says she's a skilled bullshitter, why wouldn't it be reasonable to assume she would be able to bullshit anyone who has even less knowledge of her being a good bullshitter?

That last thing about the code though... if it was preplanned, it could probably be considered as commercial / industrial espionage. But if it was, it was well-hidden. Still a crime though, but it was a crime large enough to impact enough people and not get swept under the rug.

And well, he could've told everyone she's a skilled liar. Some might've believed him. Some might not have. She could've told sob stories about how he's always hated her, gotten her mistreated by their parents, stolen the inheritance, etc. Unless they were very good coworkers or friends, first impressions would be more important. And well... i've repeatedly said he mentioned she was a good bullshitter, so she probably won those.

True, they're both adults, so he has no responsibility to care for her legally. But if she plays the family sympathy, not wanting to be away from her brother card to those responsible for the dorms, they probably would allow her, and he can't stop that either without proof or good reason why, but... bullshitter, yeah ?

tldr : It's a shitty situation to be in, and he shouldn't have to be in, but people are likely to believe well performed sob stories over casual friends / acquaintances until proven otherwise. Especaially if it contains being orphans, losing inheritance, losing their family house, wanting to be near family , female and young etc. There are some better backgrounds, but it's still top of the group.

 

[Kaarme]

@Robbini It's only so far that sob stories and good acting can take you. No thefts before sister appeares. Dude warns folks his sister squandered all inheritance and husband's wealth, and was thus divorced. Stuff starts disappearing. No matter how good stories she has, unless she was sleeping with the theft victims to win them over, they would still value their own possessions over her supposed misery. So, either the MC actually was protecting his scumbag sister and never told anyone anything, or the sister was a massive literal whore (which she might have indeed been). Maybe that's also how she got into the dude's apartment for the code heist. Otherwise the story is simply a bit too far-fetched. Let's not forget that even if he was the dude's sister, she was still an outsider. She wasn't an old company employee or anything.

 

[moel]

He still can make a believable report, respect for the captain.

 

[moel]

Please folks, when you mentioning future crucial character and its plot use the spoiler tag.

Thanks for you who use spoiler tag in correct manner.

 

[CountryMage]

@Kaarme and @8bitholic from what i remember of the webnovel, he didn't invite her to live with him, she forced her way in, by telling the landlord her sob story, and refused to leave. All attempts to get her kicked out, got it turned around on him when the authorities arrived, and after she finally took off with some money, moving away to live at some other dorm, is when she stole his files.

 

[8bitholic]

@CountryMage the more i read the more i hate his shitty sister, is he will reunited with his sister? It would be interesting if he torture his sister or she become monsters plaything

Note for everyone read my comment : please invest some of your money for your home security and never tell where you hide your valuable to anyone, this chapter hit me really hard

 

[jdexo1]

I can't get over Iris' horrible character design. Like, the art is pretty inconsistent in this series but she in specific looks worse than every other character wtf. Looks like the mangaka has a hard time drawing lolis

 

[StLL]

Chuuni

 

[eng1]

Being able to do custom spells is possible just fine for modern programming. Its just no one does it cause it will mess up balance. But not knowing the companies name is odd.

Also, even if his sister snuck into his dorm, how would she have the computer skills to steal his stuff? Anyone working with security would have everything encrypted.

But interesting that modern age laws apply to a medival world.

 

[VladDracul2]

@Kaarme You're the kind of person that always believes the women in fake rape claims in spite of the colossal amount of evidence, don't you? Hell, I'm quite sure you believe the Shield Hero story is about a guy who got away with raping an innocent girl.

People have told you, in many different ways, some even from their own awful experiences, how people like the sister can and do get away with the horrible manipulative stuff that they do and you're still sticking by your guns of "she could only do that because he allowed her to".

There are horrible people in this world just like there are stupid people and gullible people, and the reason the horrible people get away with what they do is because they find out those other two kind of people and use them to get their ways; there are presumptions that are still prevalent in this world (women are always the victims) that we have yet to get rid of, just like there are people that refuse to believe that they have been tricked no matter how much they are shown the contrary (sunken cost fallacy), so it's with the abuse of these two social problems that the horrible people can still use the stupid people and the gullible people without fearing of backlash.

I understand that you came from a place without so much corruption and crime, but still, you need to understand that society in other places, and at large, ain't so kind and functional as we are usually led to believe in our tender years, so you need to be able to change your views before you end up commiting (or be made to commit) something you will regret later on.

 

[Kaarme]

@VladDracul2 I'm not sure how that 180 degrees logic twist works in your theory. I've been saying that if the MC did everything he could to keep the miserable sister away from himself and his stuff, warned others, and generally speaking took good care of himself, the chances of the sister actually manipulating others so super successfully (while at the same time stealing their stuff) should be lower than the MC presented in his story to the loli. That's why I'm saying the dude didn't have quite as hard a stance as he's now saying. Because that's what often happens with crime victims: They claim they did their best to be cautious, but somehow the criminals just got the better of them. In reality they may have been kind of careless with some details of their life before the incident, like people often are for convenience's sake.

So, I totally fail to see how any of my posts would make you think I believe women always tell the truth in rape cases. That being said, like I already wrote, the MC dude most assuredly also didn't do his best to thwart the sister's criminal deeds, despite knowing beforehand the sister is rotten and most likely will try something nasty. He's just trying to place himself in a better light now. Dude was a cyber security expert, yet got his code stolen. Wouldn't you try to embellish your own efforts in such a situation?

 

[captain_crunch]

Does the sister pick locks? Also hack the computer of an IT security guy who seems to be really advanced and wary of physical theft? If he has such skills, wouldn't he be able to move out of employee housing and afford an apartment with more physical security?

 

[JESMAN]

@Kuraiaku thank you for the information, now I want have keep scratching my head every time I reread that chapter when waiting the next chapter.

 

[Inguaim]

@8bitholic

Spoiler

yeah, he will reunite with her sister and fight her, i dunno for sure if he kills his sister or not (she dissappear iirc)

 

[8bitholic]

@Inguaim hmm interesting, where i can read the novel?

 

[cullinaire]

Love the advice "watch your six"

😂

 

[Fuew12]

@Kaarme there something like "taking care of relative" in view of "society" in east this way he cant kick her, don't know where you are from but its not like MC didnt want to kick here but unable to do so that way he latter chose to move to bachelor dormitory not apartment complex where other company employ relative live(family housing?).
and i will say this once again

Spoiler

MC absolutly hate his sister when they meet in this world MC pretty much goes nuts and raining his sister with spell that no wonder her body will be nothing but scrap if not for substitute doll and other sacrifice ring type item she stole from other player

as for the security who let his sister enter his room in bachelor dorm there no mention about his fate, other than how MC company sued it to court and MC resign from company only to move to countryside there hardly any mention about the one let MC sister in
also you keep saying MC not try hard enough, its not MC not try hard but unable since his sister that good of cons artist that take good will of other as sure thing, no matter MC do she will out maneuver him when she still in earth, you can say he "lenient" to her since the story haven't cover everything or the point they reunited again, there also some part where MC in middle(or its highschool) have his girlfriend fooled by MC sister even when MC tried to warn her and end up the said girlfriend unable to trust MC since the shitty sister act just to convincing the said GF believe sister more than MC only for her house getting raided by "thief" and yeah you know who the "thief" is and GF still cant believe its MC sister

 

[Inguaim]

@8bitholic well i dont read the novel, i just read the raw and the comment from the alternate manga