Assassin's Pride - Vol. 6 Ch. 30 - Blessing
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man the cliche on this one, i guess it's fun eitherway
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I'm laughing for the guy who commented last chapter about the beauty of no shounen power-ups. The author couldn't help themselves apparently.
Lmao. They put it on the first page too. It's like a direct response to that comment. I was agreeing with it too!
Lmao. They put it on the first page too. It's like a direct response to that comment. I was agreeing with it too!
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@dotawolfbrother I mean, it's not a power-up, it's just a full party recovery. (Elise went through years of grueling training, and I am assuming she long learned this ability but was never in a team situation that warranted showing it off)
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Wow, the manga is so much better than the anime.
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@Marchimarch My point was more along the fact that it's an ability that we had no way of knowing about, and upon introducing it in literally the first page of the chapter, it's used to solve a conflict.
I get what you mean by the years of grueling training -- she actually mentions this fact during the fight -- but the fact that we first learn about it deep in the moment sort of cheapens the development. It's the part that makes me think of it as a "shounen power-up", i.e. she gained a power that helped solve a conflict in the middle of said conflict, instead of just a normal development.
I can see it being interpreted differently, but "When I decided to protect you, it just came to me." and *explaining what it does mid-battle*, both scream "shounen power-up in effect" to me. Meanwhile, the other commenter was praising the fact that hand-to-hand combat is something obvious for the Samurai class to do, makes sense without much explanation, and is something the FMC has clearly been training in -- which is great because it avoids all the things I mentioned cheapening the encounter above.
So yeah, I don't think this development is necessarily bad, but it misses the satisfaction that came with her winning the fight against her sister because to me(and probably the commenter I was laughing for), it feels more like a shounen power-up.
I get what you mean by the years of grueling training -- she actually mentions this fact during the fight -- but the fact that we first learn about it deep in the moment sort of cheapens the development. It's the part that makes me think of it as a "shounen power-up", i.e. she gained a power that helped solve a conflict in the middle of said conflict, instead of just a normal development.
I can see it being interpreted differently, but "When I decided to protect you, it just came to me." and *explaining what it does mid-battle*, both scream "shounen power-up in effect" to me. Meanwhile, the other commenter was praising the fact that hand-to-hand combat is something obvious for the Samurai class to do, makes sense without much explanation, and is something the FMC has clearly been training in -- which is great because it avoids all the things I mentioned cheapening the encounter above.
So yeah, I don't think this development is necessarily bad, but it misses the satisfaction that came with her winning the fight against her sister because to me(and probably the commenter I was laughing for), it feels more like a shounen power-up.
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@dotawolfbrother there also the fact about how the sisters are polar opposite, mc being the hard worker and the her sister being the genius type, a genius that trained hard. so in this particular scenario, Elise learning that move is no wonder, in game terms it's like she already had the exp and level needed to learn the move but she just lacked one condition with was a mental one that had nothing to do with physical training wish she got over this in this arc thus learning the move.
for the move itself since it was not related to the mc and I can not think of a place to just foreshadow that move, doing it now sound fair. let's not forget this is a novel adapt too so maybe they did foreshadow it but the mangaka just didn't add that part , like how he didn't add the whole second trial and just said they won it.
for the move itself since it was not related to the mc and I can not think of a place to just foreshadow that move, doing it now sound fair. let's not forget this is a novel adapt too so maybe they did foreshadow it but the mangaka just didn't add that part , like how he didn't add the whole second trial and just said they won it.
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I think blessing are more of a skill of: exclusive to a paladin but not all paladins can use, because it need a special requirement to unlock and that is the desire to protect, meaning if Melida never mend their relationship, Elise will never learn it on her lifetime.
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@dotawolfbrother I can sympathize with that. The flashback could have definitely happened earlier with all the others, and it would be better if it didn't finally come to her in the moment. It could be tweaked better. I'll still take it over a straight-up deus ex machina. Madia lost her advantage, but the sisters' power level is the same. There is still a fight to be had, leaving the question of whether Madia can win two-on-one with a full reset. (before Kufa arrives) Tension remains.
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@sora_L_doomsday Foreshadowing it earlier is easy if the author's thought ahead. It could be included in one of the many, many times that I believe the Paladin's prowess was hyped up during the story. Slipping it in with some other advantages/powers would make it innocuous, and honestly, I'm still not sure if I'm just not remembering something that was mentioned. But yeah, while I'm skeptical about an adaption missing a pretty big piece of foreshadowing, I do like your idea with her being a genius. That definitely makes the development a lot easier to swallow.
@Marchimarch I don't think the tension remains. I think the story loses a lot with this development. They were in the worst possible situation to be attacked by an assassin and this "magical power" arrived to make the situation slightly more palpable, relieving some of that tension. But after I reading your comment, I do think the development might have been used to increase the tension instead -- if it were placed a bit differently.
I spoilered this because it's getting long:
Haha, I had so much fun imaging this scenario. This manga's great, and I kind of expect the author to answer some of my qualms in the next chapter. But either way, this is great, and it's been awhile since I got hyped just imagining different scenarios as well as just reading discussion about the fights.
Edit: @Marchimarch Sorry about all the text. Your comment just made me so happy because it made everything about this click. I wasn't so much disappointed about the power-up as I was disappointed about the loss of tension. Ha! Thanks, you helped make my day!
@Marchimarch I don't think the tension remains. I think the story loses a lot with this development. They were in the worst possible situation to be attacked by an assassin and this "magical power" arrived to make the situation slightly more palpable, relieving some of that tension. But after I reading your comment, I do think the development might have been used to increase the tension instead -- if it were placed a bit differently.
I spoilered this because it's getting long:
Imagine this, the sisters are exhausted and recovering from the intense fight they just had. The assassin, taking proper advantage of this moment of weakness -- -a moment of weakness they planned to use well in advance -- succeeds in getting Melida's blood. Well darn, game over. The assassin will escape and win. But! Elise here, she reveals her love for her sister has unlocked this recovery power. Great, now they can both fight again, and the goal becomes "Stop the assassin from escaping with my sister's blood". Now, the power isn't being used to solve any conflict or bad situation, it's being used to sustain the conflict by a reversal of fate. The good guys can still fight! Yeah! Suddenly, this terrible situation(that's still terrible) has been reversed by the powers of poetic justice, powers of poetic that have already been built up in this narrative! (Go sisterly love!)
Now we're braced for an epic fight scene where everyone is trying to stop the assassin from escaping. Furthermore, all of the logical explanations for the assassin's difficulties escaping in place are already set up:
There are teachers as well as other powerful people surrounding the dome, right? This means the assassin can't escape by ordinary means.
Why would they have trouble using their "unordinary" means of escape? The sisters are recovered and attacking them! There's no time!
Well, why not just kill the sisters? Direct orders from the Guild that the family is too powerful. Already built into the narrative!
And most importantly, why should the audience want to believe any of this? Elise-sama just reconciled with her sister, and you're telling me the story's going to end? No! Get the bad guy Elise-sama!
It sounds so epic now!!!
*Huff, Huff*
Everything about this situation just works me if the assassin is allowed for their plan to initially succeed(get the blood) before this powerreversal happens. I think in this case, the author pulled the reversal just a little too soon to maintain the tension. The difference is slight, but it's the difference between me going "Wow, awesome!" and "Meh, okay. That's interesting and isn't that a shounen power-up?".
Anyways, Regardless if I accept the development as a "power-up" or not, the current, written situation still leaves me questioning a bit. I just don't believe the sisters can last 5 seconds against something who: one, absolutely manhandled their senior who should be stronger than them; And two, is known as an super-elite assassin. But if there are obvious, environmentally-imposed restrictions on said assassin, and said assassin is fighting girls I'm heavily encouraged to root for(get that blood back!), I don't even have time to question. This is too awesome!
Now we're braced for an epic fight scene where everyone is trying to stop the assassin from escaping. Furthermore, all of the logical explanations for the assassin's difficulties escaping in place are already set up:
There are teachers as well as other powerful people surrounding the dome, right? This means the assassin can't escape by ordinary means.
Why would they have trouble using their "unordinary" means of escape? The sisters are recovered and attacking them! There's no time!
Well, why not just kill the sisters? Direct orders from the Guild that the family is too powerful. Already built into the narrative!
And most importantly, why should the audience want to believe any of this? Elise-sama just reconciled with her sister, and you're telling me the story's going to end? No! Get the bad guy Elise-sama!
It sounds so epic now!!!
*Huff, Huff*
Everything about this situation just works me if the assassin is allowed for their plan to initially succeed(get the blood) before this powerreversal happens. I think in this case, the author pulled the reversal just a little too soon to maintain the tension. The difference is slight, but it's the difference between me going "Wow, awesome!" and "Meh, okay. That's interesting and isn't that a shounen power-up?".
Anyways, Regardless if I accept the development as a "power-up" or not, the current, written situation still leaves me questioning a bit. I just don't believe the sisters can last 5 seconds against something who: one, absolutely manhandled their senior who should be stronger than them; And two, is known as an super-elite assassin. But if there are obvious, environmentally-imposed restrictions on said assassin, and said assassin is fighting girls I'm heavily encouraged to root for(get that blood back!), I don't even have time to question. This is too awesome!
Haha, I had so much fun imaging this scenario. This manga's great, and I kind of expect the author to answer some of my qualms in the next chapter. But either way, this is great, and it's been awhile since I got hyped just imagining different scenarios as well as just reading discussion about the fights.
Edit: @Marchimarch Sorry about all the text. Your comment just made me so happy because it made everything about this click. I wasn't so much disappointed about the power-up as I was disappointed about the loss of tension. Ha! Thanks, you helped make my day!
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Well, for instance, Sword Art Online foreshadows the MC trying to get Excalibur (a sword) at the start of Volume 4, and then it's covered as a side story in Volume 7 (chronologically taking place after all the prior volumes). That's for the light novels. In the anime, this foreshadowing is ignored in the first season (where volume 4 is adapted) and then it's mentioned as a flashback the very episode that it starts adapting the side story (which lasted 3 episodes, starting at episode 15 of season 2).
Whilst it's not that major, Excalibur is considered one of the best obtainable weapons (with 1 in existence) and it still took up a decent portion of the anime adaptation whilst not giving much credit to the initial foreshadowing. Same can apply here since it's an adaptation.
EDIT: Side story actually covered in volume 8. In the anime, it takes place before volume 7's adaptation. Took a look at the wiki and there's no date attached to the side story's setting.
Well, for instance, Sword Art Online foreshadows the MC trying to get Excalibur (a sword) at the start of Volume 4, and then it's covered as a side story in Volume 7 (chronologically taking place after all the prior volumes). That's for the light novels. In the anime, this foreshadowing is ignored in the first season (where volume 4 is adapted) and then it's mentioned as a flashback the very episode that it starts adapting the side story (which lasted 3 episodes, starting at episode 15 of season 2).
Whilst it's not that major, Excalibur is considered one of the best obtainable weapons (with 1 in existence) and it still took up a decent portion of the anime adaptation whilst not giving much credit to the initial foreshadowing. Same can apply here since it's an adaptation.
EDIT: Side story actually covered in volume 8. In the anime, it takes place before volume 7's adaptation. Took a look at the wiki and there's no date attached to the side story's setting.
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