Baikoku Kikan - Vol. 2 Ch. 10

[MangaDex]

 

[faniki]

"fake news"💀

 

[Claith]

@faniki Considering that it is a phrase that doesn't mean what it says, it should be avoided frankly. For the record it means, "news that doesn't say what I want, even if it is real." It has been used like that by dictators world over at this point.

 

[nicenicencie]

yeah, still cant wrap my head around the story.

 

[JosMenLed]

@Claith No, it literally means fake news, cease your shilling

 

[Claith]

Oh. This looks fun.

@JosMenLed Having fun with words, no? What am I shilling?

The phrase was popularized by T****, and he has used it in many cases where it has been proven to be a lie. Something actually happened, he calls it "fake news" if it doesn't make him look good. Other dictators around the world have picked up on using that phrase for that exact purpose, so dismiss non-flattering news. There are plenty of ways to state something is false, but that exact phrase has the additional meaning of dismissal no matter the facts.

I've stated my position as clearly as I can. I'm saying that phrase shouldn't be used no matter the context, sort of like co-opted symbols. I'm still pissed off that the "okay" handsign was taken by "white power" movements, even if it is merely held in a different position.

 

[Kouhai_No]

Clarification:
@Claith In this scenario, it literally means news that is fake, made of lies. There were news reports published in chapter 9 page 7 containing false allegations against the church. Sorry if my translations didn't come through. I understand the word "fake news" is used by tyrants often in real life to refer to news that goes against their interests; however, this is not the case here and I hope I could clear this up. I used the term because the raw uses "フェイクニュース" which literally reads as "fake news." Sorry for the misunderstanding, I'll try and do better next time.
Also, I understand some people are confused by the story. If you have questions, ask in the discord.

Opinion:
By not using the "okay" hand sign to mean "okay," you are legitimizing extremists "taking" it over and repurposing it. It only has that meaning if that's how you interpret it because that's how language works. If you and I continue using the "okay" sign to mean "okay," then it continues to have that meaning.

 

[Claith]

@Kouhai_No

Sorry for the trouble. Language is a strange mine field with different meanings in all sorts of places. A "Thumbs Up" handsign in one country is a sign of agreement, and in another an insult.

As a white blonde haired blue eyed guy, I don't think I can use the "okay" sign, because if the context isn't perfectly clear, it can be misread by others. I'd rather take another route to get the message across than having to do the work to clear the meaning.

 

[Kushikime]

Thank you so much for the translations. Love this manga

 

[JosMenLed]

@Claith "As a white blonde haired blue eyed guy, I don't think I can use the "okay" sign"
Hahaha do you have no shame at all? some trolls online spread around some inflammatory memes and now cucks like you fancy themselves peformance activists, why are you scared of a hand gesture.
"Fake news" is an actual thing, not just when Trump ( why did you censor it lmao? ) uses the term, the media is full of them today and by the looks of it youve probably read a bit too many of them... Try and think for yourself for once, without fear of words and symbols

 

[Eliminateur]

honestly at this time i completely lost track of wtf is going on anymore for the last chapters

 

[BrownStorm]

thanks for the translation