Bar Flowers - Vol. 2 Ch. 15

[Shamanfox]

Are you retarded? Two things can be true at once. She's BOTH a victim and a retard in this situation.

"OoOoh look I am drinking with an abuser~ Oh no who would've guessed that I would be abused by the abuser I am drinking with"

No shit you'd get abused. You are drinking with an abuser. The least you could do is drinking in an environment that minimizes the chance of someone abusing you. It's basic self preservation tech.

You sure like victim blaming. Hindsight is 20/20, we all make bad decisions every once in a while. Doesn’t mean that one should expect to get raped or that they are at fault for getting raped.

What’s next, some girl get their drink spiked and you would be saying “well, your fault for going out to a night club in the first place. Should’ve stayed at home!”?

I also never said that she made a smart decision, nor implied. All I said was I’m appalled that people blames the girl.

Lastly; her consenting midway through a rape does not undo that it is a rape. As I wrote previously; anyone forcing themselves onto someone that is blackout drunk/unconcious is committing to a rape. Her saying “No” and “Stop” but he continues is literally rape.

 

[TheEjaculator]

That doesn’t matter since it won’t change the fact that she got raped. With your logic it’s fine to rape someone if they eventually stop resisting the said rape…

To me it looks more like you are conveniently ignoring her blackout and her resisting the assault in an attempt to justify it as “not rape”.

the thing is that she didn't just "stop resisting" she encouraged the guy to continue and to do it harder

 

[Nyaaa]

You sure like victim blaming. Hindsight is 20/20, we all make bad decisions every once in a while. Doesn’t mean that one should expect to get raped or that they are at fault for getting raped.

What’s next, some girl get their drink spiked and you would be saying “well, your fault for going out to a night club in the first place. Should’ve stayed at home!”?

I also never said that she made a smart decision, nor implied. All I said was I’m appalled that people blames the girl.

Lastly; her consenting midway through a rape does not undo that it is a rape. As I wrote previously; anyone forcing themselves onto someone that is blackout drunk/unconcious is committing to a rape. Her saying “No” and “Stop” but he continues is literally rape.

It's really not victim blaming, is it? It's just stating facts. Facts that you do not like because you do not want to accept even a smidgen of responsibility towards the victim. A victim is not always blameless. Depending on the circumstances, they can hold blame as well. And you are talking as if the victim in this situation is blameless. Before any of the alcohol drinking, was she forced? If you actually read the damn thing, you'd see that no one and nothing was forcing her to drink with her known abusive ex.

In cases like this, where our decisions directly led to unfortunate event in question, the burden of responsibility for our safety lies in ourselves, the potential victim. You have to make decisions that are not detrimental to your own safety to lessen any chance of unfortunate things happening. You just can't erase the burden of responsibility when it is YOUR decision that opened up the door for bad actors to come in.

You can't control what other people do. You can, however, control yours. So make decisions that maximizes safety and wellbeing. If even after all that decisions bad things still happens, then you are blameless. But we are not talking about a blameless victim here.

Sure there is a story reason as to why she made that decision. And said reasons provide an understandable excuse as to why she made that decision. But it does not excuse her from making a retarded decision.

At the end of the day, this is an exercise in looking at a situation and objectively dissecting it. It's not even complex. It's basic A -> B -> C kind of deal lmao.

 

[b0n3t0u3]

As long as she finds her place in the trash, I'm not too bothered.

 

[Shamanfox]

It's really not victim blaming, is it? It's just stating facts. Facts that you do not like because you do not want to accept even a smidgen of responsibility towards the victim. A victim is not always blameless. Depending on the circumstances, they can hold blame as well. And you are talking as if the victim in this situation is blameless. Before any of the alcohol drinking, was she forced? If you actually read the damn thing, you'd see that no one and nothing was forcing her to drink with her known abusive ex.

In cases like this, where our decisions directly led to unfortunate event in question, the burden of responsibility for our safety lies in ourselves, the potential victim. You have to make decisions that are not detrimental to your own safety to lessen any chance of unfortunate things happening. You just can't erase the burden of responsibility when it is YOUR decision that opened up the door for bad actors to come in.

You can't control what other people do. You can, however, control yours. So make decisions that maximizes safety and wellbeing. If even after all that decisions bad things still happens, then you are blameless. But we are not talking about a blameless victim here.

Sure there is a story reason as to why she made that decision. And said reasons provide an understandable excuse as to why she made that decision. But it does not excuse her from making a retarded decision.

At the end of the day, this is an exercise in looking at a situation and objectively dissecting it. It's not even complex. It's basic A -> B -> C kind of deal lmao.

You are 100% victim blaming, how are you so blind not to see it?

Your reasoning is the same as “if you go out to a night club in skimpy/revealing clothing then you are partially to blame for being a victim of rape”. That way of thinking is dangerous and moronic.

You say you look at this objectively but you aren’t. Objectively the chances of being raped is low, even from an ex-partner that has been abusive. From what we’ve seen, his abuse has been verbal, but never physical, so it’s one hell of a leap of logic to assume that he would go as far as raping someone.
We also don’t know if he spiked her drink. I would assume it was based on a few factors; She has s good alcohol tolerance due to her work. She knows her limit. We only see one panel of her drinking one glass before it swaps immediately to him saying “You don’t look so good”, before we get a black panel indicating that she has been unconscious.

Or are you implying it’s her fault that her drink got spiked? Is that also something everyone should expect? Maybe we all should stop going to bars, otherwise we are all to be blamed if something unfortunate happens to us?


If this is how you will approach someone IRL after they say they’ve been SAd then don’t expect them wanting to keep in contact with you anymore afterwards. There’s not much that are worse than having someone victim blame the person that got SAd.

 

[jump90008]

Holy shit manga is going at a comfortable pace and this fucker just show up and raped a girl?