Big Tech Companies going Berserk with AI

[IlaiaCorde]

Is there really another side when you're talking to a wall, though?

Whether people choose to listen or not is their own prerogative.

But I dont think its a 'wall.' I think many people who agree with me are just afraid to speak up because they fear being ostracized.

I personally believe that ...the more uniform a community is on a given idea or stance, the more important it becomes for there to be genuine discussion from opposite viewpoints.

Thats the way societies grow and evolve after all.

 

[tokoboku999]

For coding, coding isn't looking any different really.

It is though. AI makes tons, and I mean TONS of mistakes. Not just in the code but in overall design and architecture. Security best practices are ignored, it creates race conditions that even a junior engineer would know not to make, and the context limits means it physically cannot consider the entire codebase when it's making changes. People get excited because it can spit out code that works, and it can spit out a lot of code that works, but it genuinely cannot produce production-ready code without heavy human review and correction, at which point productivity gains disappear entirely because now the humans have to read through and understand code they didn't write, to figure out why it's not working. It's a great learning tool and I use it extensively to learn new libraries and sometimes I can give it a class with a bug I can't figure out and it'll spot a silly typo, but that really just makes it a better google and IDE spellcheck.
The biggest problem with LLMs as a productivity tool is that they aren't deterministic, which all other previous technological advances have been. A factory assembly line spits out the same kind of car over and over again. A piece of software produces the same output for the same input over and over again. LLM's "creativity" comes from its randomness, which inherently limits its usefulness for things that need reproducibility, and in my opinion as also a musician, limits its usefulness for creative endeavors too. I'm not saying this to be a poo-pooer against using AI, but tools have their applications and a lot of people are claiming generative AI is a magic wand that can (or in the future will be able to) do anything, and that's simply not true.

 

[IlaiaCorde]

It is though. AI makes tons, and I mean TONS of mistakes. Not just in the code but in overall design and architecture. Security best practices are ignored, it creates race conditions that even a junior engineer would know not to make, and the context limits means it physically cannot consider the entire codebase when it's making changes. People get excited because it can spit out code that works, and it can spit out a lot of code that works, but it genuinely cannot produce production-ready code without heavy human review and correction, at which point productivity gains disappear entirely because now the humans have to read through and understand code they didn't write, to figure out why it's not working. It's a great learning tool and I use it extensively to learn new libraries and sometimes I can give it a class with a bug I can't figure out and it'll spot a silly typo, but that really just makes it a better google and IDE spellcheck.
The biggest problem with LLMs as a productivity tool is that they aren't deterministic, which all other previous technological advances have been. A factory assembly line spits out the same kind of car over and over again. A piece of software produces the same output for the same input over and over again. LLM's "creativity" comes from its randomness, which inherently limits its usefulness for things that need reproducibility, and in my opinion as also a musician, limits its usefulness for creative endeavors too. I'm not saying this to be a poo-pooer against using AI, but tools have their applications and a lot of people are claiming generative AI is a magic wand that can (or in the future will be able to) do anything, and that's simply not true.

BTW, WELCOME TO THE FORUM! Congrats on the 1st post. 😁

 

[solstice258]

Mozilla's new CEO says Firefox will become an "AI browser"
(Source)

 

[Jergens]

Mozilla's new CEO says Firefox will become an "AI browser"
(Source)

new CEO

Says it all really. Not like it matters since it's open source and you can take your pick of forks out there.

 

[chill_forreal_]

You know, one positive thing that the AI/enshitification wave brought was the awareness to not stay locked in/dependent on tools by these big companies, since it's now clear that they don't care about delivering good products anymore if they can get away with just being the default thing.

i.e. Personally, I don't think I'd ever consider using something other than Windows if it just stayed mildly annoying. Thinking of switching to something else naturally feels uncomfortable; but the concerns with Win11's whole thing got more uncomfortable than that. Now I'm just happy to know it doesn't hurt just trying shit out and that getting out of the comfort zone a little more is almost guaranteed to be beneficial.

 

[chill_forreal_]

[...] The same way guns replaced swords, printing presses replaced scribes, modern computers replaced mechanical computers and typewriters, and carriers replaced battleship. Ect.

We've already seen this exact scenario play out with the Luddites in 1812. The original Luddites were British weavers and textile workers who objected to the increased use of mechanized looms and knitting frames. Most were trained artisans who had spent years learning their craft, and they feared that unskilled machine operators were robbing them of their livelihood.
[...]
New tech always wins. The real fight we have on our hands is determining how its implemented ethically, and how we make it better after that.

Considering that what's said here makes a lot of sense always gets me like this (Yotaka Futabi, Ch. 3, Pg. 10)

It feels so thinking that I'm such a minority in thinking that so much of what makes art (and so many other things) worth and impressive is appreciating the craftsmanship and practice it took to hone skills to achieve such.

Maybe in 10 years time I'll be dead weight with that kind of philosophy. But, isn't it crushing to know that there are so few people that think that it's better to own you didn't do your homework over just copy-pasting it?.. Yeah maybe it's time for me to wake up to reality, that's not how shit works right?

I just wonder how the next generations will view effort if most of everything is just AI generated; why bother practicing something that can be done instantly by asking an AI? Why bother putting in effort in your work if your entire life you've been just fine asking an AI to do the hard things for you? Why be responsible with your tasks if your AI will do it last-minute so you can walk scot-free from the consequences of not doing it? Hologram AI professors also sound neat and efficient, but wouldn't it suck for a kid to think the class is so unimportant it's not even worth having a person there?

Though you could also replace "AI" with "Google" or similar and it'd still make sense for the time it was getting popular so it's likely our good-old human race will turn out just fine from this [new thing]!
Heck, I'm getting too moody here. It really is best to avoid heating up your head over things outside of your control.

 

[popo53414]

Are you guys real or AI?

 

[chill_forreal_]

Are you guys real or AI?

It's crazy that that's a valid concern but nah I'm 100% real my dude

 

[BestBoy]

Are you guys real or AI?

The intersection of my experiences and opinions demonstrates that I'm a real human

 

[Evans01]

Are you guys real or AI?

Bro start worrying since dead internet theory start becoming real caused by those AI slops.

Anw, don't worry. I'm human

 

[BakedBanana]

Are you guys real or AI?

Don't talk to me until you can solve this, I need to know who's real or not.

 

[a_singular_strike]

Are you guys real or AI?

Cogito ergo sum, my friend. Are you however real?

 

[BestBoy]

solve this

Dex-cban 8ux

Easy!