Black Summoner - Vol. 2 Ch. 7 - Goddess II
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What does the goddess think about him boning her?
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Main didn't make the first move because he was worried she would feel obligated thus making it a bit like rape. Elf made it very clear it was what she wanted. Game on.
I like how things are brewing with those who are playing the roles of heroes possibly falling short of the task. That and the heroes not being the main and his crew by default.
I like how things are brewing with those who are playing the roles of heroes possibly falling short of the task. That and the heroes not being the main and his crew by default.
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yeah, the heroes are falling behind because they are playing it safe instead of being, you know, heroic.
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"Consensual" implies that she's qualified to give consent. As a slave, she isn't.
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I'm not saying he coerced her into sex. But the definition of "rape", especially what's called "statutory rape" is more complex. If, say, a high school girl threw herself at her teacher (and they're the right ages for that comparison to apply), it would be the teacher's duty to refuse her, no matter what his penis thought about it. Or what she thought about it, for that matter. A "decent" person would have offered her a realistic path to enfranchisement, and refused to touch her till she was a free woman.
"Consensual" implies that she's qualified to give consent. As a slave, she isn't.
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I'm not saying he coerced her into sex. But the definition of "rape", especially what's called "statutory rape" is more complex. If, say, a high school girl threw herself at her teacher (and they're the right ages for that comparison to apply), it would be the teacher's duty to refuse her, no matter what his penis thought about it. Or what she thought about it, for that matter. A "decent" person would have offered her a realistic path to enfranchisement, and refused to touch her till she was a free woman.
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Guys, stop trying to compare this to the real world. The interactions on Isekai manga are all fucked and made up for wish-fulfillment. You can't just simply compare them since they don't really follow a good logic anyways. If she was a slave or not she's be all on the MC's dick for one contrived reason or another. Suspend your disbelief a little and use your hands for Isekai with an actual developed world.
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Here's the thing though. Even slaves get horny and want to fuck. And here you are, wagging your finger (the holy weapon of white knights everywhere) saying, "No, no, no little lady, YOU are not allowed to have sex because SOCIETY knows better than you!"
What you're doing is basically sex-shaming the elf girl and imposing *your* belief system on her, and denying her agency as a member of humanity. You say "She's a slave, she can't consent!" but here she is, consenting, and you're refusing to respect her wishes.
In short, *you're* the person trying to enslave her further by using the law to deny her sexual freedom. The MC is the one respecting her humanity and allowing her to make the choice, even though she's a slave, to choose her sexual partner.
Here's the thing though. Even slaves get horny and want to fuck. And here you are, wagging your finger (the holy weapon of white knights everywhere) saying, "No, no, no little lady, YOU are not allowed to have sex because SOCIETY knows better than you!"
What you're doing is basically sex-shaming the elf girl and imposing *your* belief system on her, and denying her agency as a member of humanity. You say "She's a slave, she can't consent!" but here she is, consenting, and you're refusing to respect her wishes.
In short, *you're* the person trying to enslave her further by using the law to deny her sexual freedom. The MC is the one respecting her humanity and allowing her to make the choice, even though she's a slave, to choose her sexual partner.
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And all I'm saying is that I'd rather it fulfilled different wishes.
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Sex shaming her would be saying she is wrong. I'm saying he is wrong. Very different.
I know the present issue is grayer than that, but you realize your reasoning is something a pedophile could use?
He could have enfranchised her at any time. And even from a practical standpoint, it's not like she'd have left him, so it's not like he'd really have lost anything. He didn't. So don't tell me he respects her humanity.
And I'd just like to say... You may accuse me of White Knighting (because ad hominem brings so much to the discussion) but you're doing exactly the same... for the rights of masters to fuck their slaves.
And all I'm saying is that I'd rather it fulfilled different wishes.
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Sex shaming her would be saying she is wrong. I'm saying he is wrong. Very different.
I know the present issue is grayer than that, but you realize your reasoning is something a pedophile could use?
He could have enfranchised her at any time. And even from a practical standpoint, it's not like she'd have left him, so it's not like he'd really have lost anything. He didn't. So don't tell me he respects her humanity.
And I'd just like to say... You may accuse me of White Knighting (because ad hominem brings so much to the discussion) but you're doing exactly the same... for the rights of masters to fuck their slaves.
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No, that's certainly not what I'm doing. If the slave does not want sex, the master should not force it on her. I mean ideally, slavery wouldn't exist. But this is a fantasy world we're talking about. In some of them (for example, Death March I believe, and some others), demihumans can be attacked, captured, killed etc unless they're *already* someone's property - and then they have protection under the law.
In other isekais that I've seen (Realist hero who changed a country), slaves existed but owners were not allowed to abuse them - sexually or otherwise. (not that it never happened, but it was an illegal act).
What I am saying is that masters have the right to fuck slaves that want to fuck their masters. And in these fantasy settings, the MCs often do offer to free these girls from slavery, and they refuse - they are happy being a slave to a master that treats them well.
What it boils down to is you want to protect women who haven't asked you to protect them, and you're telling them that their judgment is impaired and you're going to substitute your own.
And just because "a pedophile could use my argument" doesn't make my argument wrong.
Also, a power imbalance does not necessarily mean there was a lack of consent.
For example - the President of the United States has the most power of anyone in the country. And yet we had Bill Clinton having sex with white house intern Monica Lewinsky. Like that's a huuuuuuuge power imbalance - this is someone who controls blacksites, is surrounded by men with guns, is the peak of political connections AND was her employer. So was Monica able to consent? It sure sounds like a greater power imbalance than, say, an 18-year-old and a 14-year-old (specifically mentioning those ages because I saw an 18-year-old get arrested for having a relationship with a 14-year-old in the news last week).
My point is that these human interactions must be judged on an individual basis, and not as some across-the-board one size fits all policy.
No, that's certainly not what I'm doing. If the slave does not want sex, the master should not force it on her. I mean ideally, slavery wouldn't exist. But this is a fantasy world we're talking about. In some of them (for example, Death March I believe, and some others), demihumans can be attacked, captured, killed etc unless they're *already* someone's property - and then they have protection under the law.
In other isekais that I've seen (Realist hero who changed a country), slaves existed but owners were not allowed to abuse them - sexually or otherwise. (not that it never happened, but it was an illegal act).
What I am saying is that masters have the right to fuck slaves that want to fuck their masters. And in these fantasy settings, the MCs often do offer to free these girls from slavery, and they refuse - they are happy being a slave to a master that treats them well.
What it boils down to is you want to protect women who haven't asked you to protect them, and you're telling them that their judgment is impaired and you're going to substitute your own.
And just because "a pedophile could use my argument" doesn't make my argument wrong.
Also, a power imbalance does not necessarily mean there was a lack of consent.
For example - the President of the United States has the most power of anyone in the country. And yet we had Bill Clinton having sex with white house intern Monica Lewinsky. Like that's a huuuuuuuge power imbalance - this is someone who controls blacksites, is surrounded by men with guns, is the peak of political connections AND was her employer. So was Monica able to consent? It sure sounds like a greater power imbalance than, say, an 18-year-old and a 14-year-old (specifically mentioning those ages because I saw an 18-year-old get arrested for having a relationship with a 14-year-old in the news last week).
My point is that these human interactions must be judged on an individual basis, and not as some across-the-board one size fits all policy.
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Monica Lewinsky had plenty of legal protections, even from the PotUS. A slave, I'm going to assume, doesn't. And she was an adult.
I like Death March. First, because they give reasons for the MC to keep slaves. The world's just shitty enough that the girls need the protection their status as his slaves give them. Or they're magically compelled to be slaves. It sucks, but none of that is his fault. And he doesn't have sex with them, he has sex with prostitutes.
I also like Growth Cheat. Where the slaves girls are eventually called out on their bullshit of wanting to stay the MC's slaves. Because there there are no real reasons they should be slaves.
I'm all for judgment based on individual situations. And in this case, my judgment is that he could easily have removed the most objectionable aspect of their relationship, and he didn't. That doesn't speak well for him, and that aspect comes before the question of whether she "consented" or not.
Monica Lewinsky had plenty of legal protections, even from the PotUS. A slave, I'm going to assume, doesn't. And she was an adult.
I like Death March. First, because they give reasons for the MC to keep slaves. The world's just shitty enough that the girls need the protection their status as his slaves give them. Or they're magically compelled to be slaves. It sucks, but none of that is his fault. And he doesn't have sex with them, he has sex with prostitutes.
I also like Growth Cheat. Where the slaves girls are eventually called out on their bullshit of wanting to stay the MC's slaves. Because there there are no real reasons they should be slaves.
I'm all for judgment based on individual situations. And in this case, my judgment is that he could easily have removed the most objectionable aspect of their relationship, and he didn't. That doesn't speak well for him, and that aspect comes before the question of whether she "consented" or not.
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@LysandersTreason:"And in these fantasy settings, the MCs often do offer to free these girls from slavery, and they refuse - they are happy being a slave to a master that treats them well. "
Such an odd thing to bring up... In rape hentai doujin the girls will become addicted to the cocks of their rapist because if you just rape them hard enough they will become your willing slaves. I assume you understand how that is not because it makes sense but because the idea turns some people on. Similarly the slaves stay slaves because that is part of the fantasy Isekai authors are selling not because they carefully thought about what their character would do in the situation.
Such an odd thing to bring up... In rape hentai doujin the girls will become addicted to the cocks of their rapist because if you just rape them hard enough they will become your willing slaves. I assume you understand how that is not because it makes sense but because the idea turns some people on. Similarly the slaves stay slaves because that is part of the fantasy Isekai authors are selling not because they carefully thought about what their character would do in the situation.
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@UzukiP Want to buy this sweet bridge in San Francisco for a low low price? Prime location, it will pay for itself in tolls in less than a year!
Another shocking relevation for you: In harem manga the reason bland high school guy 1345 collects a harem is not because of his immense charisma but because it is a harem manga.
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