Bouryoku Banzai - Ch. 14 - Dreams

[Tymo]

And yet you still cried a third time in a row.

I already did and none of you made any real point, just vague whining about 'muh realism' while showing you clearly just look at the pictures instead of paying attention to what's happening, what the characters are saying and why what's happening is happening and how that relate to the overall plot and theme of the story.

If a MMA champion's punches are more dangerous in your head than getting jumped by multiple people while they attack you from behind and a full speed car crash while standing up in a van with no seatbelts, you're the problem, not the manga.

The girl couldn't lose here because the entire point of the fight is convincing the MC her way is the right one so he can get dragged deeper into insanity, any other result would have been actual bad writing. You might as well be complaining about Baki's imaginary dinner with Yujiro at this point.


What else do you want me to attack? Their mothers? Attacking opinions is what you're supposed to do in a discussion.


And you're not even talking at all at this point, you're just crying again.


Putting it in capslock won't make it less of a slam dunk, nobody forces you to be here and yet here you are, 14 chapters later still reading and commenting, at that point you're just being a tsundere and it shows.


Nice tears, bro.

Sure man, whatever makes you happy. However, it's ironic how I'm the one crying with the amount of replies you made to multiple people. Again, really weird obession. And no, you don't attack opinions, you don't make it personal, you only logically show how their logic falters and maybe joke with them. Also, yeah, it's more believable for her to beat up thugs that don't know how to fight, specially when the whole scene of how she did it inside the van until it crashed wasnt shown than her resisting a precise punch dealt by a professional that weights double her size without being instantly hospitalized. Suspension of disbelief.

Don't forget to say I cried a fourth time, keep the habit.

 

[BalrogDeMorgoth]

don't care lol.

Cared enough to reply. Seems like liking this manga isn't the only thing you can't be honest about.

Sure man, whatever makes you happy.

Saying I'm right in a sassy way is still saying I'm right.

However, it's ironic

It's really not. Irony isn't 'no u' but it must be hard to understand while crying.

And no, you don't attack opinions

Yes, you do, that's the entire point of proving someone wrong.

you only logically show how their logic falters

Which I did and that is literally the process of attacking an opinion.

Also, yeah, it's more believable for her to beat up thugs

So you're the problem, not the manga. Those thugs would put any MMA champion into a coma with no difficulty, nobody in actual real life can take on a group and win without a weapon, that's not a thing. Especially not a group that attack by surprise from behind and who's entire job is violence.

until it crashed wasnt shown

So it did crash and she did no sell and car crash which is infinitely more dangerous than a MMA champion's punch.

a precise punch dealt by a professional that weights double her size

Which amount to less than 1/1000th of the car crash she no sold.

Suspension of disbelief.

Yes, the thing that make your entire crying fest pointless and that literal toddlers have figured out.

Notice how despite saying 'It's not about realism', all you do is endlessly whine about realism and repeating points that were already debunked? MMA champions aren't uber battle gods that can take on entire gangs barehanded and hit harder than a literal car crash, they are sporstmen that are good within their rule set in 1 v 1 against other fighters. The fact you think beating someone like that is unrealistic or 'break your suspension of disbelief' more than a high school girl clearing out a gang bare-handed and no selling a car crash is once again a you problem, you're the one with a completely distorted set of standards and view of reality.

Don't forget to say I cried a fourth time, keep saying the truth

It's more like the 10th time you cried at this point.

 

[Late_Komei]

LMFAO holy shit I forgot they still had “beef” cuz Japanese Johnny Lawrence couldn’t handle his girlfriend talking to somebody else over grades😭

How much you wanna bet he rolls up with his dojo gang after the MC gets a random power up?

Hopefully, it's a 1 v 1 fight unless Karate Kid is planning to take down Rikudou shortly after dealing with Akita. In that case, yeah bring in the whole squad, lol.

 

[BalrogDeMorgoth]

unless Rikudou wants him to learn as he goes?

I think her mindset is some kind of more hardcore / animalistic version of Bruce Lee's 'styles don't matter, just do the best move available at the best time' so yeah, basically fight and get your ass kicked and kick ass until you get good.

 

[AnimationDude]

Lol, I really like when these guys get angry over people calling out this manga's bad writting and saying "let us enjoy our Baki-like".

Baki at least spells to you everything is dumb as fuck, even the art with the weird ass face expressions. Here we have the beggining being at least a bit believable, to then making the female character (literally a normal, with no apparent muscles, high school girl) not being hospitalized when getting rocked by a professional guy that weights double what she does and trained more than her. Like, even I like ridiculous elements, when they're properly established since the beggining in a story (And don't come to me with "Urd durr, look at the name of the manga ", this shit doesn't excuse shitty writting.

To this day, I don’t even think the main thing that pisses people off is the average writing. It’s just that the original concept was so much more interesting that having it replaced by crazy person beats up people is a bit . . . . Jarring? Just feels like a less charming Batuque

 

[AnimationDude]

Hopefully, it's a 1 v 1 fight unless Karate Kid is planning to take down Rikudou shortly after dealing with Akita. In that case, yeah bring in the whole squad, lol.

Yeah, I could 100% be wrong but the wannabe karate Kid villain just doesn’t strike me as an honorable person. Just a jock, with a very very bruised ego, and they don’t usually react to getting beaten up by women very calmly😂

It really is a shame that this MMA guy is probably going to be written out of the story. The MC is a loser but he desperately needs an instructor who will actually look out for him.

 

[BalrogDeMorgoth]

but he desperately needs an instructor who will actually look out for him.

The entire point is that he's going down with her, giving him a reasonable instructor figure would go against that and give the manga a pretty schizophrenic tone.

At best I can see that making sense WAY down the line once MC hit rock bottom and need to recover before ultimately choosing the girl again.

It's like Suzui from Kakegurui, he's already there to be the reasonable one that get drowned in the craziness, having a better sane guy to pull him out of the craziness is redundant.

 

[AnimationDude]

The entire point is that he's going down with her, giving him a reasonable instructor figure would go against that and give the manga a pretty schizophrenic tone.

I’m aware, I’m hoping the MC realizes you can’t always rely on a timer and face tanking to save you in a street fight and understand that he’s going to need a Mixed approach to beat her in the future.

Fighting only by her rules,only on her terms isn’t really a practical approach to beating her long term and if we’re being completely honest here?

It’s incredibly hypocritical and stupid of her not to be cool with him training under this guy when it’s very very obvious that she also got a practical martial arts training herself before becoming so strong.

I see no reason why he can’t use both methods. If I’m trying to become someone who can beat up the embodiment of violence, I’m going to use every method at my disposal because that’s what TRUE unfiltered violence ACTUALLY is. Having one mentally sane instructor to teach me the basics would be really helpful for that end goal.

 

[BalrogDeMorgoth]

I’m hoping the MC realizes you can’t always rely on a timer and face tanking to save you in a street fight and understand that he’s going to need a Mixed approach to beat her in the future.

That kind of 'Trick even SHE can't see coming' is something they'll keep for the last arc most likely. It's kinda the same for every 'Final Fight against the Mentor'.

Fighting only by her rules,only on her terms isn’t really a practical approach to beating her long term

To be fair, it's kind of a 'Yujiro' situation, where the only satisfying way to beat him is by his rules and on his terms, otherwise it's just no fun. Her violence is what fascinated him to begin with after all.

It'll probably be some type of deal like she starts out curbstomping him, he start pulling tricks she didn't see coming, probably inspired from stuff that happened before and the enemies they faced, he has her on the ropes, goes 'I don't wanna win like that' and has a 'punch for punch' violence fest against her where he either win, lose but is satisfied or a double KO (Or god forbid, a 'we never knew who won!')

It’s incredibly hypocritical and stupid of her not to be cool with him training under this guy when it’s very very obvious that she also got a practical martial arts training herself before becoming so strong.

It's less about being cool with training practical martial arts or not and more that she got jealous her friend would rather learn from someone else IMO. You have to remember that he's basically her first friend at school and she clearly got attached fast.

So of course her first autismo reaction to her friend paying attention to someone else rather than her was 'I'm gonna beat him and show how much better I am so my friend likes me more than them!'.

 

[AnimationDude]

Also, yeah, it's more believable for her to beat up thugs that don't know how to fight, specially when the whole scene of how she did it inside the van until it crashed

Wait a sec, did the author ever even show her tanking the car crash? I remember her getting grabbed be we were never shown or told if she hopped out that car before or after. Which is freaking hilarious because that implies they either grabbed her and the guy driving panicked the crashed or she sucker punch KOed the driver and willingly stayed in there to see if she would survive🤣

 

[Tymo]

Cared enough to reply. Seems like liking this manga isn't the only thing you can't be honest about.


Saying I'm right in a sassy way is still saying I'm right.




It's really not. Irony isn't 'no u' but it must be hard to understand while crying.

Yes, you do, that's the entire point of proving someone wrong.


Which I did and that is literally the process of attacking an opinion.


So you're the problem, not the manga. Those thugs would put any MMA champion into a coma with no difficulty, nobody in actual real life can take on a group and win without a weapon, that's not a thing. Especially not a group that attack by surprise from behind and who's entire job is violence.


So it did crash and she did no sell and car crash which is infinitely more dangerous than a MMA champion's punch.


Which amount to less than 1/1000th of the car crash she no sold.


Yes, the thing that make your entire crying fest pointless and that literal toddlers have figured out.

Notice how despite saying 'It's not about realism', all you do is endlessly whine about realism and repeating points that were already debunked? MMA champions aren't uber battle gods that can take on entire gangs barehanded and hit harder than a literal car crash, they are sporstmen that are good within their rule set in 1 v 1 against other fighters. The fact you think beating someone like that is unrealistic or 'break your suspension of disbelief' more than a high school girl clearing out a gang bare-handed and no selling a car crash is once again a you problem, you're the one with a completely distorted set of standards and view of reality.


It's more like the 10th time you cried at this point.

It's almost like you're putting everyone in the same label, I didn't even say I disliked the manga, I just pointed elements from it that I disliked and that make it not my thing. For you, everyone needs to find everyting perfect for it to be likeable? In my first comment in chap 13 i literally said I found it pretty interesting at first, which I'm not finding it now, you're the only one assuming things. And some people you replied to just said "it sucks", like, what's it about it?

No, "attacking" opinions doesn't exist, this isn't something where there's a winner. You argue and that's it, it's just people exchanging ideas until the most logical interpretation appears or not.

And again, you make it sound like she survived a car crash when it wasn't even shown she was still inside the car literally because the whole sequence until she had already beat up everyone was off-screen. You just don't have this information. They also were unnarmed, so given certain circunstances, it is possible for someone trained to beat untrained people, it's not something impossible when there's multiple cases of a guy beating multiple ones out there, you have youtube and google at your disposal.

 

[BalrogDeMorgoth]

No, "attacking" opinions doesn't exist,

So why are you saying that's what I did if it doesn't exist?

you make it sound like she survived a car crash

Because she did.

You just don't have this information

Yes, we do, unless you think the car magically crashed with her outside of it somehow despite having all the thugs beaten up around the crashed car. Do you think they stopped the car, let her out and THEN crashed it? It's not even like she'd jump out of the car, she was 100% on board with fighting them inside the van.

it is possible for someone trained to beat untrained people,

Not 3 (maybe more since we didn't see if any were in the van waiting) people attacking you from behind and 'training' means jackshit when you're a violent thug who fights and beat up people for a living. You just can't do it, even with a knife it'd be hard to beat 3 people attacking you from behind and dragging you into small enclosed space.

when there's multiple cases of a guy beating multiple ones out there,

Show me a case of a single person beating 3 people who attacked them from behind in an elevator or something, let alone a high school girl. I have quite literally never seen anything like that.

Which is freaking hilarious because that implies they either grabbed her and the guy driving panicked the crashed or she sucker punch KOed the driver and willingly stayed in there to see if she would survive🤣

The implication is that they grabbed her, she started beating them up inside the van and either the driver panicked from it, the fighting made the car get out of control OR she also beat up the driver.

Either way it's just impossible for her to have not been in the car when it crashed (She seemingly kept beating them up AFTER the car crash).

Hell it even show she dented the car from the inside of it.

https://mangadex.org/chapter/602041c5-bb3d-4537-8f24-1b9714293dcb/24

 

[AnimationDude]

That kind of 'Trick even SHE can't see coming' is something they'll keep for the last arc most likely. It's kinda the same for every 'Final Fight against the Mentor'.

That’s my problem with this. To surprise her you would need a practical base as a starting point to jump off from in order to build up SLOWLY to a streetfighting IQ level. So you can reasonably bring someone like her down. If all he does is copy her Word for Word bar for bar his bag of tricks becomes less and less surprising.

To be fair, it's kind of a 'Yujiro' situation, where the only satisfying way to beat him is by his rules and on his terms, otherwise it's just no fun. Her violence is what fascinated him to begin with after all.

But literally the entire point of this violent philosophy is winning no matter what you need to do to achieve that goal. Self harm included. Baki is a story with some sparks of honor or pride Mixed in. This story is actively telling us with this fight and others that honor or being picky about your approach will get you nowhere.

I mean literally in the first chapter the narrator tells us that things like morality or justice don’t matter. So why should the main character ever care about how he wins when she doesn’t care how she wins? I’m sorry but trying to play the “No, I don’t wanna win in a such dishonorable way” Card at the finale would be so lame in a series where the main message AND APEAL is “First rule of street fighting is there are no rules”.

It's less about being cool with training practical martial arts or not and more that she got jealous her friend would rather learn from someone else IMO.

This I can sort of get. It’s annoying because everytime I think “if you’re mad then freakin teach him right” but I can chalk it up to Gon style childish stupidity

 

[AnimationDude]

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[BalrogDeMorgoth]

So you can reasonably bring someone like her down. If all he does is copy her Word for Word bar for bar his bag of tricks becomes less and less surprising.

I think that's something he'll come up on his own with a 'I worked on it in secret', that's generally how it goes, probably with a flashback of how he did it.

But we're far off that, it's basically 'last arc' stuff. For all we know they'll have superpowers by then.

But literally the entire point of this violent philosophy is winning no matter what you need to do to achieve that goal

I don't think she even gives a shit about winning in itself, it's more that if you win, you can inflict more violence but she'll probably elaborate on her personal philosophy more once MC's training really kicks in.

Kinda like Yumeko who just prefers winning because it means more gambling.

This story is actively telling us with this fight and others that honor or being picky about your approach will get you nowhere.

Yes but Yujiro also tells you that in Baki several times (only to get clowned on for it or then go back on it to show he just has his OWN weird standards and honor), it's just something manga like this like to throw around from time to time to sound edgy.

I’m sorry but trying to play the “No, I don’t wanna win in a such dishonorable way” Card at the finale would be so lame in a series where the main message AND APEAL is “First rule of street fighting is there are no rules”.

Sure but I'm just saying it COULD go that way going by your average 'Final Mentor fight' tropes. We're just speculating here.

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Should be fixed now.

Going by the three pages of it we see, they grab her, she throws one out the window, they crash almost immediately (otherwise the thrown guy would be far behind instead of close to her), she keeps beating them up and then pick up the call, her clothes aren't even scuffed.

 

[Tymo]

So why are you saying that's what I did if it doesn't exist?


Because she did.


Yes, we do, unless you think the car magically crashed with her outside of it somehow despite having all the thugs beaten up around the crashed car. Do you think they stopped the car, let her out and THEN crashed it? It's not even like she'd jump out of the car, she was 100% on board with fighting them inside the van.


Not 3 (maybe more since we didn't see if any were in the van waiting) people attacking you from behind and 'training' means jackshit when you're a violent thug who fights and beat up people for a living. You just can't do it, even with a knife it'd be hard to beat 3 people attacking you from behind and dragging you into small enclosed space.


Show me a case of a single person beating 3 people who attacked them from behind in an elevator or something, let alone a high school girl. I have quite literally never seen anything like that.

Attacking opinions exist by belittleling them and treating them as something personal, which is what you did by misunderstanding this act as arguing against someone's point. They're different things.

And no, you can't confirm she did. I could literally say that she knocked out the driver briefly and jumped out of the car waiting to beat up the other ones and you couldn't say my claim is entirely impossible of happening, since the whole scene wasn't shown to the reader.

And sure, not exactly by surprise, but there's two examples of a guy beating multiple people:

Also, the thugs didn't even wanna kidnap her, do you really think they're used to beating up trained people?

 

[AnimationDude]

But we're far off that, it's basically 'last arc' stuff. For all we know they'll have superpowers by then.

Honestly, that’s the only way I see the MC winning. The longer that goes on the more likely he is to become her henchmen rather than a viable threat to her. It’s like the main character from top 1 fight tutoring. He’s most likely never beating his teacher.

I don't think she even gives a shit about winning in itself, it's more that if you win, you can inflict more violence

That’s the problem here. If she was the only lead and the nerd didn’t exist. I’d be fine with it, but he’s literally trying to win. So there’s no reason for him to play by her rules to achieve that goal

Yes but Yujiro also tells you that in Baki several times (only to get clowned on for it or then go back on it to show he just has his OWN weird standards and honor), it's just something manga like this like to throw around from time to time to sound edgy.

yes, and that’s lame. What’s the point of all this edgy preaching if you’re not going to commit to it then copy and paste from another manga? Why make a full on series all about uncontrolled violence, and then backpedal at the last second?

 

[Tymo]

To this day, I don’t even think the main thing that pisses people off is the average writing. It’s just that the original concept was so much more interesting that having it replaced by crazy person beats up people is a bit . . . . Jarring? Just feels like a less charming Batuque

Yeah, the author could go for the "standing up for yourself is a good thing" approach, but I guess we're going for the more criminal side of it. Not that Rikudou will face consequences anyway.

 

[BalrogDeMorgoth]

Attacking opinions exist by belittleling them

So it does exist.

And no, you can't confirm she did

Yes we can, we literally see the guy she threw OUT the car next to her so clearly they crashed right after she did that so she was still insided. She can't have jumped out as it was moving either because her clothes aren't even dirty.

since the whole scene wasn't shown to the reader.

We clearly see what happened.

but there's two examples of a guy beating multiple people:

1: All men.

2: First fight was against 2, not 3.

3: None of those fights were 3 people attacking from behind in an enclosed space, in both exemple, the guy who won was the one who started attacking first and the second one clearly did it by surprise after giving himself an advantageous position.

So no, you can't beat 3 people who attack you from behind.

do you really think they're used to beating up trained people?

They certainly have more experience beating up people than your average 'trained person', that's for sure.

 

[BalrogDeMorgoth]

He’s most likely never beating his teacher.

To be fair, we have yet to see Minchae fight at all in the first place. We don't know if he's close enough to give her a halfway decent fight or if she's literally a Lookism character compared to him.

So there’s no reason for him to play by her rules to achieve that goal

But that's the rules he lost by and he's a chunni with a chip on his shoulder about it. He's clearly got a fascination with her way of life so him going for something completely different wouldn't make much sense.

What’s the point of all this edgy preaching if you’re not going to commit to it then copy and paste from another manga?

Most of the time it's to give a break from all the honor preaching IMO.