Chainsaw Man - Vol. 11 Ch. 89 - Go Chainsawman

[Robinisback]

Kill Makima, Get Power and AKI back!

 

[Arob9]

@liquidxlax But she's not the devil of loss of control, that would be akin to something like the devil of chaos. Fear of loss of control doesn't help her, fear of control itself does.
@mammon that makes no sense, devils don't get powered up by the object they represent. Denji doesn't gain power from the manufacture of chainsaws for example. Devils gain power from the fear of the concept they symbolize, so Makima would gain power from the fears humans have of being controlled, not from the exertion of control itself.

 

[Liquidxlax]

@Arob9 Losing control is the same as having less control. Losing control can involve others gaining control over you as well. It is control either way. Chaos is kinda close to opposite of control as you could say that a lack of chaos means there is a higher level of control.

 

[Faulheit]

wtf is even going on anymore

 

[Itfeelsgood]

Fear of others = Power to self
Love of others = Weakness to self but since the amount is too much then it is Damage to self
(For a devil)
A devil gets stronger if they are feared but if they are loved then they get damaged
Interesting concept~

 

[MelonReads]

Man, this deconstruction of fear and heroism is genius

2 faces of the same coin:
Adoration
Fear

Devils gain power from being feared, and must commit acts of evil to force humans to fear them in order to stay powerful.
Chainsaw Man, choosing to walk the path of the Hero of Hell, must tiptoe the difficult tightrope of the anti-hero, saving devils and humans, but making sure that they fear him in order to remain powerful enough to do just that, save people.

Much like the great leaders of revolutions past, or even just law enforcers and vigilantes of today. Fear is useful. Fear may be used for the greater good.

Chainsaw Man>Batman

 

[ebey2248]

Chainsaw man is such a well written character. This struggle between heroics and acts of evil is something that we saw in evangelion 3.0 and this level of biblical relevance makes it even more like evangelion. Every chapter I read, I love it more and more.

 

[nonexistent696969]

i still don't get it why makima and chainsawman killing each others

 

[sam_jam_ham]

@nonexistent696969 makima can control those she feels are inferior to her. in a previous chapter, she stated that if she defeats chainsawman she'll be able to control him.

 

[nonexistent696969]

@sam_jam_ham do you know in what chapter makima power was explained

 

[Qwormuli]

@no168_92 @HallowedDeep @Redska Nukes were explicitly removed by Chainsaw, as Makima very clearly said. Nuke demon was eaten, nukes gone, nukes not feared.

Gun demon was a manufactured propaganda piece defeated(by something unknown, even, IIRC) long before it was made the symbol of fear it was(shortly after the initial impact), to strengthen the power of it's remains via public mass panic towards it. It was pretty much a WMD after nukes were written out of the world, with all the fear mongering and control. That's why all the early stories about it seemed to be with odds at each other: the contradictory treatment making him more feared was intentional, instead of idiocy.

To all the others, Adoration doesn't make Makina stronger (by the current knowledge or even any reasonable projection) and never did. What she is doing is making the people adoring Chainsaw somehow imbibe/consume him using their adoration, via some currently unknown method.

 

[no168_92]

@Qwormuli

getting killed by chainsaw doesn't erase them from existence, if killed in hell, they revive in the overworld/surface and killed on the surface just erase them from memory and revive them in hell, meaning people don't remember or know of their effect/ strength, etc. if not, a war devil that gains power from the WW1 and 2 would be way stronger but then again even the war demon was forgotten/killed by chainsaw

I get gun propaganda, but getting killed by csm should make everybody forget already no? the thing still exist, but people kinda view them as a normal object I guess...? but nukes and bombs are science no? and war and conflict exist in some parts of the world and television/internet exist too...?

people say adoration isn't fueling Makima, but weakening csm, since adoration is the opposite of fear.

 

[Qwormuli]

@no168_92 Can't imagine why you got that idea, as chapter 84 very explicitly states what happens. Even Makima, a powerful devil with powerset and high interest towards the matter, who has seen all of this a multitude of times, can't remember the erased matters herself, but has had to resort to other means to catalog them. So, there is no more devil of nuclear weaponry, for example --not for humans nor for the denizens of hell. It has ceased to exist in full. Likewise, there is no devil in existence, who gains power from the fear of WW2 (no means of ww1, so no info either way). Both it and it's demesne exists no more.
I might have been a bit unclear about the requirement of needing to devour the victim, but it is so.

 

[no168_92]

@Qwormuli

oh, you meant that devour is a different thing than to simply kill?

since csm have killed pleanty of devils throughout the story already... and those devils's associated fears still exist... like bat for example...

 

[Qwormuli]

As the Chapter 84 page 10 VERY clearly states, yes. Extra confirmation, should you need it, can be found at Makina's lamentation about Chainsaw's unwillingness to consume her. Speedreading is bad for mango that requires attention: it's like watching a movie while dicking around on you phone and then getting frustrated you don't know the characters.

 

[Chewlafoo42]

listening to Meshuggah while reading this makes it more awesome.

 

[Blue-Plum]

...damn, i just realised of how ironically poetic the logic in this Manga is. great one Fujimoto-sensei.

 

[YukariTakeba]

@Qwormuli
eh i'm fine with that lul

 

[kingseokjin]

is kobeni dancing to 'dolphin' on the start of the chapter 🤣

 

[patrongambino]

what in the fuck happened at page 15