Chikashitsu Dungeon: Binbou Kyoudai wa Goraku wo Motomete Saikyou e - Ch. 19

[MangaDex]

 

[king01701]

Extremely ez win

 

[Claith]

Was wondering if they'd pull a Saitama, and just flub parts of the exam. At least this part is over now. It just delays getting to the near of the story.

On another note, I'm pretty sure I read in an earlier chapter that stats get reset each time they go into the dungeon. It was wondering like a background newscast.... Guess I'll have to read some of the earlier chapters again.

 

[jp-ls]

Probably the first time I've seen OP characters successfully be average in a test, and the higher-ups not obscenely overreacting when they see true strength. It's refreshing, in a way.

 

[cryum]

Probably the first time I've seen OP characters successfully be average in a test, and the higher-ups not obscenely overreacting when they see true strength. It's refreshing, in a way.

at that point he should've kept going just to verify their skill level anyway. It's not like a mock battle is unreasonable, proving they have team coordination is several steps above their peers.

 

[ThatNaiGuy]

Was wondering if they'd pull a Saitama, and just flub parts of the exam. At least this part is over now. It just delays getting to the near of the story.

On another note, I'm pretty sure I read in an earlier chapter that stats get reset each time they go into the dungeon. It was wondering like a background newscast.... Guess I'll have to read some of the earlier chapters again.

Saitama didn't flub anything on the exam though? Other than arguably the written portion, but that was cause he's a dumbest.

And I believe it was specifically that the power gained in the dungeon only applies in the dungeon? But maybe that more meant about the various magics they can use rather than stats.

 

[roxersoxer]

Was wondering if they'd pull a Saitama, and just flub parts of the exam. At least this part is over now. It just delays getting to the near of the story.

On another note, I'm pretty sure I read in an earlier chapter that stats get reset each time they go into the dungeon. It was wondering like a background newscast.... Guess I'll have to read some of the earlier chapters again.

Correct. It said that skills don't carry over outside. But I'm guessing that since they never picked up their status cards, the dungeon didn't get to place that restriction on them.

 

[sandhanitiser]

Correct. It said that skills don't carry over outside. But I'm guessing that since they never picked up their status cards, the dungeon didn't get to place that restriction on them.

if that was so, then people who haven't made it to the first boss would be able to use magic outside the dungeon.
my thoughts are it's because their dungeon is special, and gives them special drops

 

[Kyto1984]

"It was at this point he knew..."

 

[ciera]

kek

 

[StealthAria]

Correct. It said that skills don't carry over outside. But I'm guessing that since they never picked up their status cards, the dungeon didn't get to place that restriction on them.

if that was so, then people who haven't made it to the first boss would be able to use magic outside the dungeon.
my thoughts are it's because their dungeon is special, and gives them special drops

They can't use skills outside the dungeon, it doesn't say anything about the rest of their status not carrying over. Skills not carrying over makes some sense, the surface world doesn't have the mana/magicules or whatever to support the function of the skills, while status would carry over because they're the result of the body actually changing.

 

[StealthAria]

On a separate note, that test director needed to be fired. Dude saw the two effortlessly taking the middle spots and passing while people performing worse then them were putting in their every effort, and thought they shouldn't pass because they weren't being serious about the test. If they're passing effortlessly then that means they have the leeway to not need to put in effort for something so trivial, there's no logic in singling them out for additional trials just because they aren't giving it their all, and with his own reasoning they should actually be receiving bonus points for not putting in so much effort they would end up exhausted because an exhausted fighter is a dead fighter.

 

[Meridis]

On a separate note, that test director needed to be fired. Dude saw the two effortlessly taking the middle spots and passing while people performing worse then them were putting in their every effort, and thought they shouldn't pass because they weren't being serious about the test. If they're passing effortlessly then that means they have the leeway to not need to put in effort for something so trivial, there's no logic in singling them out for additional trials just because they aren't giving it their all, and with his own reasoning they should actually be receiving bonus points for not putting in so much effort they would end up exhausted because an exhausted fighter is a dead fighter.

idk, I would not fail them but I can agree with giving them another assessment. It defeats the purpose of giving an assessment if people don't apply themselves during it, even if they are meeting the standards. In a combat assessment, you have a safe place to measure their actual abilities and make judgments/assignments based on that. If they give any follow up beyond just, "here's your pass, go die in a ditch for all I care" then faking an average assessment would get in the way of that.

 

[wakamo]

Wow wow wow MC win!

 

[StealthAria]

idk, I would not fail them but I can agree with giving them another assessment. It defeats the purpose of giving an assessment if people don't apply themselves during it, even if they are meeting the standards. In a combat assessment, you have a safe place to measure their actual abilities and make judgments/assignments based on that. If they give any follow up beyond just, "here's your pass, go die in a ditch for all I care" then faking an average assessment would get in the way of that.

They didn't really do any combat trials though. Almost all of the testing was just standard Phys Ed; running, jumping, sidestepping, that kind of thing. When you're trying to explore a dangerous area where you might end up in combat at any moment, are you going to be going all out so you end up exhausted and unable to move when enemies attack just to try getting even a little ahead of the next group, or are you going to be moving around at a relaxed pace so you have full energy reserves in case you need to go all out to beat a hasty retreat from a deadly situation?
They don't need a further examination any more than anyone else does. Just because they're super relaxed about those basic non-combat tests doesn't mean they won't get serious for a combat test, neither does the other participants going all out for the basic tests mean that they'd also be going all-out for a combat test. What the tests do show however is that the siblings are stronger than most, if not all, of the other participants.

Assuming someone's combat ability based on their attitude towards mundane tests and tasks is about as inaccurate as it gets, likely even less accurate than trying to judge their ability based on their horoscope.

 

[Meridis]

They didn't really do any combat trials though. Almost all of the testing was just standard Phys Ed; running, jumping, sidestepping, that kind of thing. When you're trying to explore a dangerous area where you might end up in combat at any moment, are you going to be going all out so you end up exhausted and unable to move when enemies attack just to try getting even a little ahead of the next group, or are you going to be moving around at a relaxed pace so you have full energy reserves in case you need to go all out to beat a hasty retreat from a deadly situation?
They don't need a further examination any more than anyone else does. Just because they're super relaxed about those basic non-combat tests doesn't mean they won't get serious for a combat test, neither does the other participants going all out for the basic tests mean that they'd also be going all-out for a combat test. What the tests do show however is that the siblings are stronger than most, if not all, of the other participants.

Assuming someone's combat ability based on their attitude towards mundane tests and tasks is about as inaccurate as it gets, likely even less accurate than trying to judge their ability based on their horoscope.

Even if moving between combat is leisurely, the important part is the more extreme situations, either difficult combat, running away, or long marches. Most assessments and training for non-civilian roles (military or police) are done simulating extreme situations or under duress because your performance then is what actually counts.

Further, not giving them more examinations than anyone else would be fine if they never had any plans for anyone beyond giving the license. They're recruiting major parties and pushing them further into the dungeon though. We already spent a few chapters on the newcomers like the hero party being recruited and paraded around. Under those circumstances, if his CO found out he noticed something was up with their abilities and let it go, he would be running laps around the base (or whatever facility they have) for days. Remember, they were looking for talent.

 

[MEBWizz]

Saitama didn't flub anything on the exam though? Other than arguably the written portion, but that was cause he's a dumbest.

And I believe it was specifically that the power gained in the dungeon only applies in the dungeon? But maybe that more meant about the various magics they can use rather than stats.

If the skills gained in the dungeon were only able to be used in the dungeon then Haru wouldn't be able to use her skills outside the dungeon. The twins also showed that they could use their skills outside the dungeon when they bathed together (Touka used his speed skill while Haru used her water bomb skill to have a water fight) and this is at the time they ran from the 5th floor covered in Hobgoblin blood where they were supposed to pick up their status cards (Ch 7).

The twins have definitely been able to use their skills outside of the dungeon by building a forge in their garden and utilizing their strength to temper metal when Haru makes weapons (Ch 12). Haru can utilize the appraisal skill outside the dungeon (Ch 16). Touka has also shown that he can use his skills outside the dungeon by being able to transfer skills to the weapons that Haru has made them (Ch 17).

The only reason they were about to fell the exam was because the twins were so concerned with passing and hiding their true abilities that it came off as if they were indifferent to whether they passed or not and the director didn't want to send two people with that type of half baked attitude into the dungeon just to die. I will note that I would have loved to have seen the mock battle between the twins and the director a battle-hardened soldier.

 

[ThatNaiGuy]

If the skills gained in the dungeon were only able to be used in the dungeon then Haru wouldn't be able to use her skills outside the dungeon. The twins also showed that they could use their skills outside the dungeon when they bathed together (Touka used his speed skill while Haru used her water bomb skill to have a water fight) and this is at the time they ran from the 5th floor covered in Hobgoblin blood where they were supposed to pick up their status cards (Ch 7).

The twins have definitely been able to use their skills outside of the dungeon by building a forge in their garden and utilizing their strength to temper metal when Haru makes weapons (Ch 12). Haru can utilize the appraisal skill outside the dungeon (Ch 16). Touka has also shown that he can use his skills outside the dungeon by being able to transfer skills to the weapons that Haru has made them (Ch 17).

I'm like 90% certain the bath was mostly them fucking around. Using their skills for crafting is a good point though, so I guess the line on the first chapter was incorrect. Wonder if it's cause of writer error or translation one.