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Chronicles of Narnia: The Magician's Nephew - Vol. 1 Ch. 1 - I Opened the Wrong Door! (1)
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But correct. From wikipedia:
„The genre eventually became so popular that in 2016, a Japanese short story contest organized by Bungaku Free Market and Shōsetsuka ni Narō banned any isekai entries. The publisher Kadokawa banned isekai stories as well in their own anime/manga-style novel contest in 2017.“
I‘m not the only one seeing isekai for what it is: trash.
Narnia isn‘t trash. Digimon isn‘t trash. Spirited Away isn‘t trash.
So not isekai.
But correct. From wikipedia:
„The genre eventually became so popular that in 2016, a Japanese short story contest organized by Bungaku Free Market and Shōsetsuka ni Narō banned any isekai entries. The publisher Kadokawa banned isekai stories as well in their own anime/manga-style novel contest in 2017.“
I‘m not the only one seeing isekai for what it is: trash.
Narnia isn‘t trash. Digimon isn‘t trash. Spirited Away isn‘t trash.
So not isekai.
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@MangaField
100% Flawless fact and logic. Since this manga got isekai tag it immediately goes to my trash list...
which means I gonna follow this manga like my other trash isekai list.
100% Flawless fact and logic. Since this manga got isekai tag it immediately goes to my trash list...
which means I gonna follow this manga like my other trash isekai list.
@MangaField You might as well add that Narnia isn't fantasy, because at some point there was this fantasy boom that graphomaniacs of the time period latched on, making it stand for "trash, awful characters, repetitive story and every other bad adjectives you can think of".
@MangaField You quote it yourself. They were banned because they were too popular. At no point did they mention that isekai is trash or of inferior quality. I'm as tired of overused tropes as you are, but there's a number of good bonafide isekai stories out there. Saihate no Paladin comes to mind.
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Well the tag is wrong in this case. But yes, usually I immediately drop everything that has that tag. Can‘t go wrong that way.
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Nah, fantasy is too broad of a genre to disregard completely. But Isekai is specific enough that all works in it can be thrown into the garbage bin, where they belong.
@tblst
Not literally, but banning something because there is too much of it, implies it is trash. You wouldn‘t ban a subgenre if it produces great stories, would you?
Not sure about „good Isekai“. I haven‘t read any good Isekai yet (and I did read the first 1-2 chapters of every Isekai with over 8.50 on here).
Well the tag is wrong in this case. But yes, usually I immediately drop everything that has that tag. Can‘t go wrong that way.
@Bluefox_1
Nah, fantasy is too broad of a genre to disregard completely. But Isekai is specific enough that all works in it can be thrown into the garbage bin, where they belong.
@tblst
Not literally, but banning something because there is too much of it, implies it is trash. You wouldn‘t ban a subgenre if it produces great stories, would you?
Not sure about „good Isekai“. I haven‘t read any good Isekai yet (and I did read the first 1-2 chapters of every Isekai with over 8.50 on here).
@MangaField Is isekai really specific enough? There are patterns and common tropes, but I've seen enough variation to effectively call them subgenres. A lot of works that are trash like that don't even feature transportation to another world (and not tagged as isekai here). Moreover, I don't think that it's fair to judge those works by first two chapters of manga adaptation, especially as the very beginning is often the most cliche part.
That said, I'm not saying that web novels aren't mostly trash (same goes for their adaptations). Hell, a lot of ranobe, even before the web novels got a wave of being licensed, already were shoddy. It's just silly to say that "isekai" by itself is a root of the problem here.
That said, I'm not saying that web novels aren't mostly trash (same goes for their adaptations). Hell, a lot of ranobe, even before the web novels got a wave of being licensed, already were shoddy. It's just silly to say that "isekai" by itself is a root of the problem here.
@MangaField It's still ludicrous to determine the parameters of an entire subgenre based solely on your subjective taste. And even if we take a hundred steps back to assume that those agencies perceive isekai as inferior (which, I still more inclined to perceive, is a measure against simple over-supply for the sake of diversity), they are by no means authority on what is quality and what is not. The fact is isekai stories consistently dominate the light novels, manga, and anime market, indicating that a large population enjoy them for what they are. How do you presume to convince these people that their taste is trash, in order for you to justify what should be considered isekai and what should not?
Just to be clear, the article you referenced mentioned that Kadokawa banned any story involving an alternate world, as well as underage protagonists, which means that if a person were to submit the exact same story as Narnia, it would also have been rejected. There's no indication at all that these organizations share your perspective on what is not isekai.
I will not challenge your overwhelmingly negative opinion of modern isekai, nor will I attempt to define what isekai actually encompasses, since literary subgenres are a cultural phenomenon open to interpretation and revision. But your personal taste and perception of quality does not play a role in such categorizations.
Just to be clear, the article you referenced mentioned that Kadokawa banned any story involving an alternate world, as well as underage protagonists, which means that if a person were to submit the exact same story as Narnia, it would also have been rejected. There's no indication at all that these organizations share your perspective on what is not isekai.
I will not challenge your overwhelmingly negative opinion of modern isekai, nor will I attempt to define what isekai actually encompasses, since literary subgenres are a cultural phenomenon open to interpretation and revision. But your personal taste and perception of quality does not play a role in such categorizations.
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Isekai, as it‘s presented today, absolutely is the root of a lot of problems today. Problems like less diversity in new manga and also in what manga get english scanlations. So many great manga with interesting premises that never get picked up by scanlators or official licensers because it‘s easier to milk the dead Isekai-cow even further. I mean, just look at Frieren at the funeral (yes I know, technically not an Isekai but it has the same kind of energy with that magic and ogre what not shit) - it‘s not a particularly good story but it‘s still so popular. Why is that? Because it does things a little different than all your other Isekai. So apparently even Isekai-fans are sick of Isekai and jump on anything that offers something new.
And that‘s precisely why I don‘t call Digimon Isekai. Because Digimon and the likes aren‘t part of that new wave of trash that destroys manga/webtoon culture.
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Well yeah, of course it‘s my subjective opinion, lol. It‘s a forum. I‘m not demanding everyone take on my opinions. But I think you would still agree with me, that your average Isekai of today is significantly different than old „Isekai“ like Narnia or Spirited Away, would you not?
Isekai, as it‘s presented today, absolutely is the root of a lot of problems today. Problems like less diversity in new manga and also in what manga get english scanlations. So many great manga with interesting premises that never get picked up by scanlators or official licensers because it‘s easier to milk the dead Isekai-cow even further. I mean, just look at Frieren at the funeral (yes I know, technically not an Isekai but it has the same kind of energy with that magic and ogre what not shit) - it‘s not a particularly good story but it‘s still so popular. Why is that? Because it does things a little different than all your other Isekai. So apparently even Isekai-fans are sick of Isekai and jump on anything that offers something new.
And that‘s precisely why I don‘t call Digimon Isekai. Because Digimon and the likes aren‘t part of that new wave of trash that destroys manga/webtoon culture.
@tblst
Well yeah, of course it‘s my subjective opinion, lol. It‘s a forum. I‘m not demanding everyone take on my opinions. But I think you would still agree with me, that your average Isekai of today is significantly different than old „Isekai“ like Narnia or Spirited Away, would you not?
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@MangaField well by your example of why digimon is not an isekai this manga is definitely on the trash isekai list because it just follows the current isekai trend. just get off before it gets disappointing for your sake but if you wanna stick around and trash this manga then welcome abroad. for me on the other hand will probably stick around but honestly, I don't really care for Narnia.
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Dumb logic, dumb thesis, dumb rebuttals. Isekai literally means other world, dumbass. If you go into another world, it's isekai plain and simple.
Dumb logic, dumb thesis, dumb rebuttals. Isekai literally means other world, dumbass. If you go into another world, it's isekai plain and simple.
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Since you used the word „literally“. Do you know the definition of „literally“? If you say that it‘s the opposite of figuratively, then you are only partly right. Because in recent years the world „literally“ has changed meaning and is more often used for „very, strongly“ and similar words.
And this is not just a theory, it is actually added to the Oxford English Dictionary:
c. colloquial. Used to indicate that some (frequently conventional) metaphorical or hyperbolical expression is to be taken in the strongest admissible sense: ‘virtually, as good as’; (also) ‘completely, utterly, absolutely
My point is that it is the same with the term Isekai. It doesn‘t mean „other world“ anymore. It has a new meaning. It means a specific genre, that has gained insane popularity in recent years.
Digimon and Narnia weren‘t made in recent years and don‘t follow the same stereotypes, therefore they aren‘t Isekai.
Sure, 20 years ago you might have very well called them Isekai, since it means other world, like you said. But today the word has gained a new meaning and calling those two stories Isekai is extremely misleading.
.....but I know, according to you, the Oxford dictionary is probably „dumb“, right? 😉
Since you used the word „literally“. Do you know the definition of „literally“? If you say that it‘s the opposite of figuratively, then you are only partly right. Because in recent years the world „literally“ has changed meaning and is more often used for „very, strongly“ and similar words.
And this is not just a theory, it is actually added to the Oxford English Dictionary:
c. colloquial. Used to indicate that some (frequently conventional) metaphorical or hyperbolical expression is to be taken in the strongest admissible sense: ‘virtually, as good as’; (also) ‘completely, utterly, absolutely
My point is that it is the same with the term Isekai. It doesn‘t mean „other world“ anymore. It has a new meaning. It means a specific genre, that has gained insane popularity in recent years.
Digimon and Narnia weren‘t made in recent years and don‘t follow the same stereotypes, therefore they aren‘t Isekai.
Sure, 20 years ago you might have very well called them Isekai, since it means other world, like you said. But today the word has gained a new meaning and calling those two stories Isekai is extremely misleading.
.....but I know, according to you, the Oxford dictionary is probably „dumb“, right? 😉
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"Isekai (Japanese: 異世界, transl. "different world") is a subgenre of Japanese fantasy light novels, manga, anime, and video games revolving around a normal person from Earth being transported to, reborn, or trapped in a parallel universe. Often, this universe already exists in the protagonist's world as a fictional universe, but it may also be unknown to them, as is the case with Sonic X. The new universe can be an entirely different world where only the protagonist has any memory of their former life, as in Saga of Tanya the Evil, or one that they reincarnate in. It may also be one where a formerly virtual world turns into a real one, such as in Log Horizon and Overlord."
From https://www.definitions.net/definition/Isekai
I don't need to spend 2 hours typing semantics to prove a point, unlike a certain dumbass troll like you.
"Isekai (Japanese: 異世界, transl. "different world") is a subgenre of Japanese fantasy light novels, manga, anime, and video games revolving around a normal person from Earth being transported to, reborn, or trapped in a parallel universe. Often, this universe already exists in the protagonist's world as a fictional universe, but it may also be unknown to them, as is the case with Sonic X. The new universe can be an entirely different world where only the protagonist has any memory of their former life, as in Saga of Tanya the Evil, or one that they reincarnate in. It may also be one where a formerly virtual world turns into a real one, such as in Log Horizon and Overlord."
From https://www.definitions.net/definition/Isekai
I don't need to spend 2 hours typing semantics to prove a point, unlike a certain dumbass troll like you.
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This is only one meaning. But words can have more than one meanings. It‘s really not that hard to understand. For people with an average IQ, at least.
This is only one meaning. But words can have more than one meanings. It‘s really not that hard to understand. For people with an average IQ, at least.
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Good job on disproving yourself with your own thesis. Just now, by saying many words have many interpretations, you agreed on my point of view while contradicting yourself in the process.
The thing about your "word meaning", is that you're wrong. You're like saying a watermelon that is square can't be a watermelon because 20 years ago watermelons are round. Then you tried to double down by saying only trash are isekai through fraudulent and doctored evidence. Then you tripled down by being absolutely subjective by saying all isekai tags are trash ergo everything remotely isekai is trash. Now you're quadruple downing by moving the goalpost again. You are sad and pathetic.
Not only are you bad at trolling, you are also bad at argumentation. You doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down your belief only to get disproved and ridiculed many times over a manga adaptation of a book you probably have not read in the first place.
Now kindly log off so people won't catch your low IQ disease. I am absolutely finished with you.
Good job on disproving yourself with your own thesis. Just now, by saying many words have many interpretations, you agreed on my point of view while contradicting yourself in the process.
The thing about your "word meaning", is that you're wrong. You're like saying a watermelon that is square can't be a watermelon because 20 years ago watermelons are round. Then you tried to double down by saying only trash are isekai through fraudulent and doctored evidence. Then you tripled down by being absolutely subjective by saying all isekai tags are trash ergo everything remotely isekai is trash. Now you're quadruple downing by moving the goalpost again. You are sad and pathetic.
Not only are you bad at trolling, you are also bad at argumentation. You doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down your belief only to get disproved and ridiculed many times over a manga adaptation of a book you probably have not read in the first place.
Now kindly log off so people won't catch your low IQ disease. I am absolutely finished with you.
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Just to add to the fun, to describe C S Lewis as writing ‘weird English’, as the translator does, speaks worlds about their lack of literacy.
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