Daiakutou Shounen - Ch. 13 - The Victim of the Heroes

[MangaDex]

 

[Saybah]

Goat Villain: ... If your main plan was playing victim and drawing pity from everyone on parade then I'm glad I didn't join you. I'm too cool for this.

 

[darekpawlo]

What's with japanese authors thinking "But there are countless people we couldn't help" is a compeling reason against super heroes? Wouldn't the same thing be applicable to policemen? firefigthers? doctors? and so on.

 

[Baggienass]

Tysm for the scan!!

 

[CheesiBoye]

What's with japanese authors thinking "But there are countless people we couldn't help" is a compeling reason against super heroes? Wouldn't the same thing be applicable to policemen? firefigthers? doctors? and so on.

I think you're starting to get the point? Despite the people on the ground having well meaning intentions, flawed systems continue to create more and more people in distress, governments slap the wrists and point fingers at the people directly addressing the bereaved but people only ever get frustrated at those providing the service never the system overworking the service folk or causing the main root of their problems. Cause if enough people benefit from a flawed system, the minority who end up suffering dont matter as much to those who arent suffering

 

[FgoSegul]

Ouch

 

[tremor3258]

Man there is a lot well done this chapter, terms with stepping out to do more at the same time 'what about for those it wasn't enough'?

 

[MoonMurder]

I think you're starting to get the point? Despite the people on the ground having well meaning intentions, flawed systems continue to create more and more people in distress, governments slap the wrists and point fingers at the people directly addressing the bereaved but people only ever get frustrated at those providing the service never the system overworking the service folk or causing the main root of their problems. Cause if enough people benefit from a flawed system, the minority who end up suffering dont matter as much to those who arent suffering

thats still dumb tho. So if the police isn't helping 100% of the population, it shouldn't exist? Are you expecting a perfect system in the real world? Every system is flawed, you can try to make it better, but it will never be perfect.

 

[CountryMage]

thats still dumb tho. So if the police isn't helping 100% of the population, it shouldn't exist? Are you expecting a perfect system in the real world? Every system is flawed, you can try to make it better, but it will never be perfect.

There are people who think the police shouldn't exist though, and they pretend that they are the same as the people that think the police shouldn't be trying to be the military.

 

[dw123456]

thats still dumb tho. So if the police isn't helping 100% of the population, it shouldn't exist? Are you expecting a perfect system in the real world? Every system is flawed, you can try to make it better, but it will never be perfect.

This is very easy to write when you haven't been on the receiving end of the system's flaws for most of your life. What is it with anime fans and the absolute autism that precludes a modicum of empathy?

Miyazaki was right.

 

[JeezyHungry]

I know these people exist in real life, where they act like "why didn't you save me too" or "why didn't you save me earlier" but I still can't help but be frustrated at this common trope in writing.

 

[UnvalidUserName]

I gotta admit that I agree with a lot of people here about the twist being this whatabouttism is a little disappointing. I thought it was going to be about there being a lot of other corrupt heroes like the Sisters and that Critical has been actively looking away or hiding. That would mean there are victims not just of heroes but of the organization too. It would have made for a more sincere problem.

 

[CheesiBoye]

I gotta admit that I agree with a lot of people here about the twist being this whatabouttism is a little disappointing. I thought it was going to be about there being a lot of other corrupt heroes like the Sisters and that Critical has been actively looking away or hiding. That would mean there are victims not just of heroes but of the organization too. It would have made for a more sincere problem.

I think its just a limitation of manga as a medium for fiction that has this being far too limited in how it tries to discuss its scope. Go read "Those Who Walk Away from Omelas" by Ursula K Le Guin if you want a more abstract yet implied larger scale of the same themes. I think the most classical adaptation of this theme is Pandora's box, but I like her adaptation of that theme the best (especially with how nearly all recent media seems to allude to it, looking at you E33)

 

[MaCl0wSt]

He's such a softie for her he can't help it

Thanks for the chapter!

 

[CheesiBoye]

thats still dumb tho. So if the police isn't helping 100% of the population, it shouldn't exist? Are you expecting a perfect system in the real world? Every system is flawed, you can try to make it better, but it will never be perfect.

I think there was a misunderstanding, when i said service folk i meant the essential workers who provide public service that matters, farmers, nurses, doctors, EMTs, public transit drivers etc. Not so much police and military, where I'm from all they do is protect the corrupt and powerful and themselves if they do crimes and get caught. I dont really have sympathy or empathy for them especially if they're foreign presences within my country (they only ever make headlines when they get caught raping, murdering or trafficking my countrymen).

Spoiler: Anecdotal (feel free to ignore)

back during the pandemic i remember how poorly handled everything was, and even worse was the aftermath of dealing out reparation for the medical service workers who worked through it, it was nearly a global response to say they would get larger hazard pay and a guaranteed additional pay if they died in the line of duty. One of my relatives died in new york because he was a man of 50+ years working as a nurse for the elderly and new york was specifically one of the worst handled cases of that, especially with the under reporting under Cuomo. But that's just one instance, in the UK they merely awarded an institutional union of foreign nurses a medal of honor for their service amidst people asking for fair wages for being stranded there with their work permits defaulted yet being made to work because of the understaffed medical system over there (likely globally and perenially understaffed). The immediate response to people asking for equity and instead simply being given the monicker of heroes and lionized for their sacrifices is just an awful practice but the MO of any government today. Thats mainly what I mean by systems existing that benefit enough people that a minority of people who suffer do not matter anymore to the majority. The dead cant complain if no one has enough empathy to grieve them

 

[Whitehalo127]

This isn't that complicated to understand; flawed systems will always result in people benefiting from it and people not benefiting from it. Obviously no system can be in essence perfect but that's not the conversation to be had. The conversation to be had is what do you do with those that the system has failed? Do you simply chalk it up to "well to bad for you"? Do you sweep it under the rug to keep the appearance that your systems is better than it actually is? Do you simply turn a blind eye to protect your fragile world view that can't take even an ounce of challenge?

These types of stories result in myriad of groups representing different stances;
1. Keep the status quo - Best we got
2. Keep the status quo - It benefits me
3. Keep the status quo - Actively harmful (ie those who created the system are willfully asshats Celestial Dragons)
4. Change - Do away with the system entirely
5. Change - Alter the system so it leaves less and less people behind
6. Change - Replace those in charge with new, generally, younger leaders
7. Change - Replace those in charge with different self serving people
etc

 

[stilgar]

What's with japanese authors thinking "But there are countless people we couldn't help" is a compeling reason against super heroes? Wouldn't the same thing be applicable to policemen? firefigthers? doctors? and so on.

But have you considered fuck police officers?

 

[MagnaDrake]

This manga might be a real gateway to radicalization and thats kinda cool

 

[Claresilver47]

Ah yes, the woe upon me, look at how pitiful I am and pity me... Ok you got your pity, now what? What exactly do you want? Do you just want people to pity you? What are you going to do now?

I can see Villain Goat saying something along these lines because in a sense he's right. Pity, be it from yourself or from others, does nothing if you yourself don't have the will to do something about why you are so pitiful.

 

[Saikeno]

As Magneto Said It Best.
"They even play who the best victim".