Daiakutou Shounen - Ch. 13 - The Victim of the Heroes

[CountryMage]

But have you considered fuck police officers?

That is a porn category...but I don't think that's where this conversation was going...?

 

[MoonMurder]

This is very easy to write when you haven't been on the receiving end of the system's flaws for most of your life. What is it with anime fans and the absolute autism that precludes a modicum of empathy?

Miyazaki was right.

This has nothing to do with empathy, obviously, the world isn't perfect, and there will always be flaws in everything we do, but the solution isn't to stop trying.
In the case of this girl, it's not the hero's fault she was being abused, it was the abuser's fault. Complaining that the Heroes didn't do enough is stupid, they did what they could, and eventually they did find out about the abuse and stopped it.
And more, the heroes failed this girl, yes, and now she's going to attack them because.... reasons? Will attacking the heroes prevent them from failing anyone else? It's just a pointless act of revenge, and it won't help anyone or anything.

And I ask you then, what should happen to the hero system? Should they just abolish it because the heroes couldn't save everyone?
Should the heroes be punished? They didn't do anything wrong (well, in this case specifically), so what should happen? Saying "You should do better" doesn't do shit. This conversation was had when Winter Soldier ended.

 

[MoonMurder]

I think there was a misunderstanding, when i said service folk i meant the essential workers who provide public service that matters, farmers, nurses, doctors, EMTs, public transit drivers etc. Not so much police and military, where I'm from all they do is protect the corrupt and powerful and themselves if they do crimes and get caught. I dont really have sympathy or empathy for them especially if they're foreign presences within my country (they only ever make headlines when they get caught raping, murdering or trafficking my countrymen).

Spoiler: Anecdotal (feel free to ignore)

back during the pandemic i remember how poorly handled everything was, and even worse was the aftermath of dealing out reparation for the medical service workers who worked through it, it was nearly a global response to say they would get larger hazard pay and a guaranteed additional pay if they died in the line of duty. One of my relatives died in new york because he was a man of 50+ years working as a nurse for the elderly and new york was specifically one of the worst handled cases of that, especially with the under reporting under Cuomo. But that's just one instance, in the UK they merely awarded an institutional union of foreign nurses a medal of honor for their service amidst people asking for fair wages for being stranded there with their work permits defaulted yet being made to work because of the understaffed medical system over there (likely globally and perenially understaffed). The immediate response to people asking for equity and instead simply being given the monicker of heroes and lionized for their sacrifices is just an awful practice but the MO of any government today. Thats mainly what I mean by systems existing that benefit enough people that a minority of people who suffer do not matter anymore to the majority. The dead cant complain if no one has enough empathy to grieve them

So in your context, the superheroes would be the service folk? What is the flawed system? Just having dumb people in power? cause we can agree there.
It's easy to lose trust in police/firemen/doctors/superheroes when you hear your whole life they are there to save people, but miss you when you need them, but we simply can't save everyone. Saving some is better than none, hopefully that "some" will eventually be everyone, but that's something """""""""we"""""" have to work towards.

 

[CheesiBoye]

So in your context, the superheroes would be the service folk? What is the flawed system? Just having dumb people in power? cause we can agree there.
It's easy to lose trust in police/firemen/doctors/superheroes when you hear your whole life they are there to save people, but miss you when you need them, but we simply can't save everyone. Saving some is better than none, hopefully that "some" will eventually be everyone, but that's something """""""""we"""""" have to work towards.

I do think the limitation of manga as a whole is that every ideaology has to have a character representing it, its the same problem with the xmen and mutants as a narrative trope. They cast a net too wide which lets them touch on many points, but ends up as a flawed analogue to whatever they do choose to make the condition of mutant, in this case hero, with. So to answer which one is to say all of them.
And i'll make the same recommendation of read literature that allows the abstraction of the concept speak volumes about the depth of what they try to discuss Those Who walk away from Omelas by Ursula K Le Guin.
And im not trying to make pontifications or arguing with you, hope it didnt come off that way, but its more so an ailment of trying to solve any issue, it inevitably divides those who have and those who have not. If a system has more interest in drawing those lines instead of, as you said, having it encompass a wider net, should that system be reformed, over turned, or refined.
To keep it in the scope of fiction, id think Goat is of the mind of reforming, the assassins are in the group of refining, the heroes probably dont have much of a say in what their day to day tasks are beyond "keeping the peace", and the outcast kids are of the mind of over turning the system. The issue being "keeping the peace" costs the lives, by their perception, of the outcast kids.
Therein lies the real world analogue, what systems in our world cost a price that we cannot see but would not be passable to our own self-interest/moral compass? How deep does one need to trace that line before less cruelty is enough, and even then that less is someone elses red line and so conflict is inevitable unless something drastic changes in the earlier chain. In the fiction that's Goat's main conflict, what is his redline, and can he come to a decision before it's made for him.

 

[dw123456]

This has nothing to do with empathy, obviously, the world isn't perfect, and there will always be flaws in everything we do, but the solution isn't to stop trying.
In the case of this girl, it's not the hero's fault she was being abused, it was the abuser's fault. Complaining that the Heroes didn't do enough is stupid, they did what they could, and eventually they did find out about the abuse and stopped it.
And more, the heroes failed this girl, yes, and now she's going to attack them because.... reasons? Will attacking the heroes prevent them from failing anyone else? It's just a pointless act of revenge, and it won't help anyone or anything.

And I ask you then, what should happen to the hero system? Should they just abolish it because the heroes couldn't save everyone?
Should the heroes be punished? They didn't do anything wrong (well, in this case specifically), so what should happen? Saying "You should do better" doesn't do shit. This conversation was had when Winter Soldier ended.

Somehow, it does not surprise me in the least that all you can reference is Marvel slop.

 

[EnFiveFour]

And just like that Fujichika-sensei delivers another Chris Claremont-level chapter. She's doing the best superhero comic book published right now!
Thank you for the translation!