Danjo-hi 1:39 no Heikou Sekai wa Omoi no Hoka Futsuu [R18] - Ch. 130 - Natsuki Hinata, Starts Losing Restraint — 4

[Agumentic]

An empty trope with no actual personality inside it is not a good character, my man.

Certainly a better character than anyone designed by the "muh realism" nitwits.

 

[NarlepoaxIII]

Certainly a better character than anyone designed by the "muh realism" nitwits.

The number one priority in writing is believably. Or, to use the technical term, "verisimilitude."

A story doesn't have to be completely, 100% realistic, but it does have to be believable. The audience needs to be able to suspend their disbelief in order to engage with the story. If they can't believe in the story, it's impossible for them to take it seriously.

If you have a character act in a way that is contradictory to their established personality for the sake of moving the plot forward, that is what's called a "plot contrivance," which is a major objective flaw in your writing.

IE: It would be unbelievable to have a character with a long since pre-established tokophobia to not mind being repeatedly inseminated against her will just because she liked the way it felt the one time she consented to it.

At no point should the plot take precedence over verisimilitude. If your plot isn't believable, the audience has no reason to care about it. If you can't make the plot move forward without sacrificing the story's verisimilitude, then your plot is bad and you need to rewrite it.

 

[draco0305]

The number one priority in writing is believably. Or, to use the technical term, "Verisimilitude."

A story doesn't have to be completely, 100% realistic, but it does have to be believable. The audience needs to be able to suspend their disbelief in order to engage with the story. If they can't believe in the story, it's impossible for them to take it seriously.

If you have a character act in a way that is contradictory to their established personality that is what's called a "plot contrivance," which is a major objective flaw in your writing.

IE: It would be unbelievable to have a character with a long since pre-established tokophobia to not mind being repeatedly inseminated against her will just because she liked the way it felt the one time she consented to it.

At no point should the plot take precedence over verisimilitude. If your plot isn't believable, the audience has no reason to care about it. If you can't make the plot move forward without sacrificing the story's verisimilitude, then your plot is bad and you need to rewrite it.

Again, Sou is clearly acting realistically in the world he is in + looking at 18+ version Sou, what he did is not surprising, like at all

 

[NarlepoaxIII]

Again, Sou is clearly acting realistically in the world he is in + looking at 18+ version Sou, what he did is not surprising, like at all

My dude.

Rape is not okay in any universe. Especially not if you supposedly like the person you're raping, like Sou supposedly does. The possibility of legal consequences does not determine whether or not rape is justifiable. It's not. Ever.

You should not have to be told this. Jesus.



That aside, I'm not even talking about Sou. I'm talking about Hinata. I have a strong feeling that Hinata's just gonna let this slide, and Sou isn't even going to get so much as a stern talking to.

And I get that feeling because this is literally the first time in all 130+ chapters of this manga that Sou has ever ignored consent. 18+ Sou has, at times, acted like an entitled little shit before now, but this is the first time he ever did anything close to this caliber.

Which makes me think that the author considers this to be more of a "he got lost in the heat of the moment" scene, rather than actual rape.

And it also completely debunks your argument that Sou is acting in accordance with his pre-established character. No, he's not.

Maybe you'd have a point if there had been literally any amount of build-up to this moment, but there wasn't. This shit came completely out of the blue.

 

[brocoli01]

So uh, pregnant?

 

[Agumentic]

If you have a character act in a way that is contradictory to their established personality for the sake of moving the plot forward, that is what's called a "plot contrivance," which is a major objective flaw in your writing.

IE: It would be unbelievable to have a character with a long since pre-established tokophobia to not mind being repeatedly inseminated against her will just because she liked the way it felt the one time she consented to it.

How a character should behave is not strictly guided by reality, however. What the reaction of a "real person" would be is very much secondary when taking into the account the established setting and the tone of the story, and trying to change this because of adherence to realism is a good way to ruin both the character and the story as a whole.

And given the setting and the tone of the story here, no, it is extremely believable that Hinata does not mind being repeatedly inseminated (and has, in fact, thought as much) and her protests are performative/fetish.

 

[draco0305]

My dude.

Rape is not okay in any universe. Especially not if you supposedly like the person you're raping, like Sou supposedly does. The possibility of legal consequences does not determine whether or not rape is justifiable. It's not. Ever.

You should not have to be told this. Jesus.



That aside, I'm not even talking about Sou. I'm talking about Hinata. I have a strong feeling that Hinata's just gonna let this slide, and Sou isn't even going to get so much as a stern talking to.

And I get that feeling because this is literally the first time in all 130+ chapters of this manga that Sou has ever ignored consent. 18+ Sou has, at times, acted like an entitled little shit before now, but this is the first time he ever did anything close to this caliber.

Which makes me think that the author considers this to be more of a "he got lost in the heat of the moment" scene, rather than actual rape.

And it also completely debunks your argument that Sou is acting in accordance with his pre-established character. No, he's not.

Maybe you'd have a point if there had been literally any amount of build-up to this moment, but there wasn't. This shit came completely out of the blue.

Again, Sou action are considered normal in the world he is, the thing you can't understand is the fact that in the world he live in, what he did isn't rape.
There is a proper build up to Sou doing what he has done, first, he said he was bored cause he could get what he want far to easily, which cumulnated here with him doing whatever the fuck he wanted, because he never ever had any kind of women who said no to him in a definitive manner, even the one who "resist" him at first all ended up folding rapidly anyway. Second, he litteraly fucked a woman in front of all his familly while making them understand that they werent what he wanted, which show he clearly doesn't care anymore about the feeling of even his close familly, which says a lot about Sou character in the 18+ version

 

[NarlepoaxIII]

How a character should behave is not strictly guided by reality, however. What the reaction of a "real person" would be is very much secondary when taking into the account the established setting and the tone of the story, and trying to change this because of adherence to realism is a good way to ruin both the character and the story as a whole.

And given the setting and the tone of the story here, no, it is extremely believable that Hinata does not mind being repeatedly inseminated (and has, in fact, thought as much) and her protests are performative/fetish.

Dude.

We see her internal monologue. She factually does not want to be inseminated more than once.

Or do you think her own internal thoughts are a lie?

 

[Agumentic]

Dude.

We see her internal monologue. She factually does not want to be inseminated more than once.

Or do you think her own internal thoughts are a lie?

Yes, page 6 truly reads like the woman who would just hate to be inseminated more than once.

 

[NarlepoaxIII]

Again, Sou action are considered normal in the world he is, the thing you can't understand is the fact that in the world he live in, what he did isn't rape.

Rape is non-consensual sex. That does not change based on the world you're in.

Just how far are you going to reach to defend this fictional character, man?

 

[NarlepoaxIII]

Yes, page 6 truly reads like the woman who would just hate to be inseminated more than once.

"But I can't. I have to be satisfied with just this once."


Yes. That does, in fact, read like someone who doesn't want to be inseminated more than once.

Are you being retarded on purpose, or is this genuine retardation?

 

[Geako]

So uh, pregnant?

Yes, Confirmation !

I will happen, just not has not happened yet.

 

[Agumentic]

"But I can't. I have to be satisfied with just this once."


Yes. That does, in fact, read like someone who doesn't want to be inseminated more than once.

Are you being retarded on purpose, or is this genuine retardation?

If you truly read this as Hinata being seriously against being inseminated, I have nothing more to say, you are clearly mentally incapable.

 

[NarlepoaxIII]

If you truly read this as Hinata being seriously against being inseminated, I have nothing more to say, you are clearly mentally incapable.

So you are saying that Hinata's own internal thoughts are just a lie.

And yet you were claiming to know anything about how writing works.

Incredible.

 

[nam23]

Fair point, but if I were Sou, I would think sex loses all meaning when it's so freely given or even forced on you and at that point it be jerking off with extra steps, maybe I am being weird about it but I am seeing it less of a paradise and a more sexual dystopia so it's kind of understandable why men are the way they are in that world which of course Sou is the exception he might think he's hit the jackpot but when you get older, that stuff will get old really fast. But I am probably overthinking a hentai plot lol

That's just weird to me. I don't grow to despise my favorite food just because i eat it almost every day
You don't get tired of your friends just because they re the ones you interact with the most
You don't need to add artificial scarcity to make something valuable and appreciated

 

[draco0305]

Rape is non-consensual sex. That does not change based on the world you're in.

Just how far are you going to reach to defend this fictional character, man?

Ffs, what Sou did isnt considered as rape by anyone in the world he lives in BECAUSE a girl refusing a male semen is the weirdest thing ever, I m not defending, just stating the truth, that Sou action are not and will never be considered rape In the world he ended up being.
Its like talking about crime if you take a picture of a tree because in another world taking picture of a tree is considere a crime worse than murder. Different world have different law and moral

 

[NarlepoaxIII]

Ffs, what Sou did isnt considered as rape by anyone in the world he lives in

Ah, of course. How did I not realize that I was speaking to an expert on interdimensonal law?

No, man. Listen.

I don't give the slightest fuck what people consider to be rape. There are plenty of people IRL who consider a woman forcing herself on a man to not count as rape.

But it still does. Rape is rape.

It doesn't matter who does it, or who it happens to. Nor what world it happens in.

Rape is non-consensual sex. People's personal biases do not change that.

 

[lolfacesayshi]

Oh no, but also, oh yes first pregnancy, but also, oh no parental trauma