Danshi Kokoseidakedo Gyaru ni TS Shimashita

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I just said that they insert themselves and make this about them. I never said that they couldn't enjoy it. It's also pretty easy to tell when the author is trying to express their own or others' identity issues. This one doesn't seem to fit that bill other than masculinity issues, which doesn't necessarily involve gender identity.

As for myself, I blame Ranma ½ during my teens in the old video store. I'm confidently a straight guy, but I love the idea of exploring a POV of life completely alien to one's own. If I woke up and was magically a woman, what would I do about that? How much would I embrace it? What would be the learning curve? It's complete fantasy until the day that we can hijack the conscience of other people (Yay, transhumanism!) but it's a fantasy that teases the brain. Take Inside Mari for example. What a mind fuck that was.
Gee queer people relating to a story with queer themes, imagine that. You're deluded if you think that the only Gender Stuff being explored in this story is masculine feelings of inadequacy, the protagonist quite literally finds themself learning, struggling with or enjoying different sides of femininity, there's a chapter where they design a female form for themself that is more fitting to their preferences than a Gyaru If they didn't have at least some affinity for femininity, they would have made the most strong-jawed masculine dyke possible, or refused to engage in the exercise, but they didn't, they chose a slender feminine form with long dark hair, which is, and this is the interesting part, a more conventionally attractive woman by Japanese beauty standards.

And this isn't even getting into one of the other characters having a gay awakening that involved fantasizing about a woman in a swimsuit covered in tanning oil, that you tried to brush of as "she just hasn't had the right dick yet" you are not an authority on the presence or absence of queer themes, you are twisting yourself in knots to avoid things that aren't even subtext, just text. If I were to be as generous as possible to your position, she could be bi, but we've seen no evidence of attraction to men and only evidence against it.

Also... if you find yourself imagining life as a woman and being curious, maybe you're not as cis as you think? You can still be only into women because trans/cis and straight/gay are whole-ass separate things, hell, maybe you're genderfluid and are down for male and/or female vibes depending on the situation and you've just repressed that, or maybe you are Cis and you enjoy a fantasy you're otherwise pretty detached from, either way, you really shouldn't dictate what people can or should interpret a piece of art as, because your reading comprehension is honestly pretty garbage, take it from a lit nerd, you are using an exclusively heteronormative lens that is actively counterproductive in this instance.

Look... I don't know your life, and I'm not out to say that my read is fully correct... but I know that yours is provably false, maybe the truth is somewhere in between, but you need to stop being so authoritative in your claims.
 
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Gee queer people relating to a story with queer themes, imagine that. You're deluded if you think that the only Gender Stuff being explored in this story is masculine feelings of inadequacy, the protagonist quite literally finds themself learning, struggling with or enjoying different sides of femininity, there's a chapter where they design a female form for themself that is more fitting to their preferences than a Gyaru If they didn't have at least some affinity for femininity, they would have made the most strong-jawed masculine dyke possible, or refused to engage in the exercise, but they didn't, they chose a slender feminine form with long dark hair, which is, and this is the interesting part, a more conventionally attractive woman by Japanese beauty standards.

And this isn't even getting into one of the other characters having a gay awakening that involved fantasizing about a woman in a swimsuit covered in tanning oil, that you tried to brush of as "she just hasn't had the right dick yet" you are not an authority on the presence or absence of queer themes, you are twisting yourself in knots to avoid things that aren't even subtext, just text. If I were to be as generous as possible to your position, she could be bi, but we've seen no evidence of attraction to men and only evidence against it.

Also... if you find yourself imagining life as a woman and being curious, maybe you're not as cis as you think? You can still be only into women because trans/cis and straight/gay are whole-ass separate things, hell, maybe you're genderfluid and are down for male and/or female vibes depending on the situation and you've just repressed that, or maybe you are Cis and you enjoy a fantasy you're otherwise pretty detached from, either way, you really shouldn't dictate what people can or should interpret a piece of art as, because your reading comprehension is honestly pretty garbage, take it from a lit nerd, you are using an exclusively heteronormative lens that is actively counterproductive in this instance.

Look... I don't know your life, and I'm not out to say that my read is fully correct... but I know that yours is provably false, maybe the truth is somewhere in between, but you need to stop being so authoritative in your claims.hile you really try hard to grasp at straws like the "design a gyaru" chapter, did you not think that maybe he was choosing what he'd like to see in a woman? I mean, look at how straight guys design their female characters in video games as an example. I myself have designed a couple archetypes for a good girl and a psycho bitch. Both of which had their own feminine qualities to them.
Okay, okay. Wow! The "design a gyaru" chapter was all fun and games. You can also interpret it as him designing his ideal woman. Why on earth would he think to design himself like a butch if he isn't one? He basically said, "If I have some choice, I'd like to not stand out as much." Also, think of it like designing a custom player character in a video game. I myself play female characters time to time and have my archetypical good girl and psycho bitch. Both of which have very feminine qualities of their own.

As for the potential love interest and your interpretation that I'm saying she just "hasn't had the right dick yet," I'm going beyond the surface level presentation in this manga (Let's be real here. This isn't Inside Mari or Bunny Girl Senpai. It's a fun and dumb genderbend story.) and looking at the potentiality of a bisexual awakening rather than a lesbian one. Sorry to burst your bubble. I know your type doesn't like to acknowledge the existence of bis. Better yet. Maybe she's a skillet and it's just what's inside that counts.

On an actual serious note. I think it would be interesting to see a conflict if she finds out that he's actually been a guy for most of his life. Raise the stakes for this manga. It needs something because I'm honestly getting a bit bored outside of looking forward to the next uncensored volume release of those gyaru titties. Which brings me to the next point.

Again, I'm confidently straight. Not questioning. Never even felt the desire to cross-dress. I can sometimes think about things like a genderbend scenario within the lines of fantasy fiction. Most guys have thought at least once, "Huh. What if I was a chick," without getting all existential over their own masculinity. Or, the actual root of this thought process, "What if I was something that I wasn't?" Maybe you're thinking about all this too much within a heterophobic lense, hmm?

I was honestly hoping that you could tell that I was trying to steer the conversion to something more thought provoking and less of an antagonist back and forth. But alas, more name calling and ridiculing my intelligence. Maybe I'm not as much of a literally nerd, but I do write a lot. Kind of a weird flex in regards to such a simple manga though. Regardless, I really don't want this thread to continue to be a back and forth between us, so I won't be responding to your reply if you choose to continue. I'll read it though. I like reading. 😘
 
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Okay, okay. Wow! The "design a gyaru" chapter was all fun and games. You can also interpret it as him designing his ideal woman. Why on earth would he think to design himself like a butch if he isn't one? He basically said, "If I have some choice, I'd like to not stand out as much." Also, think of it like designing a custom player character in a video game. I myself play female characters time to time and have my archetypical good girl and psycho bitch. Both of which have very feminine qualities of their own.

As for the potential love interest and your interpretation that I'm saying she just "hasn't had the right dick yet," I'm going beyond the surface level presentation in this manga (Let's be real here. This isn't Inside Mari or Bunny Girl Senpai. It's a fun and dumb genderbend story.) and looking at the potentiality of a bisexual awakening rather than a lesbian one. Sorry to burst your bubble. I know your type doesn't like to acknowledge the existence of bis. Better yet. Maybe she's a skillet and it's just what's inside that counts.

On an actual serious note. I think it would be interesting to see a conflict if she finds out that he's actually been a guy for most of his life. Raise the stakes for this manga. It needs something because I'm honestly getting a bit bored outside of looking forward to the next uncensored volume release of those gyaru titties. Which brings me to the next point.

Again, I'm confidently straight. Not questioning. Never even felt the desire to cross-dress. I can sometimes think about things like a genderbend scenario within the lines of fantasy fiction. Most guys have thought at least once, "Huh. What if I was a chick," without getting all existential over their own masculinity. Or, the actual root of this thought process, "What if I was something that I wasn't?" Maybe you're thinking about all this too much within a heterophobic lense, hmm?

I was honestly hoping that you could tell that I was trying to steer the conversion to something more thought provoking and less of an antagonist back and forth. But alas, more name calling and ridiculing my intelligence. Maybe I'm not as much of a literally nerd, but I do write a lot. Kind of a weird flex in regards to such a simple manga though. Regardless, I really don't want this thread to continue to be a back and forth between us, so I won't be responding to your reply if you choose to continue. I'll read it though. I like reading. 😘
There is some overlap, but a world of difference between someone designing a look for them to play at a distance in a videogame and someone designing an appearance to have as their body but sure, lets set that aside for the moment. Let's also set aside for a moment that this is far from the only example in the story of the protagonist contemplating their own relationship to femininity, which also includes literally imagining themselves pregnant Which, speaking as someone with a lot of transgirl friends, is a thing that can come up even among transgirls not into guys, but by your own logic applied elsewhere in this discussion, would clearly mean that Junpei is into Men, or at least Bi, and somehow I don't think that's a reading you're going to defend so adamantly.

Yes, this is an extremely trashy and silly story, unapolagetically so... however if a character is explicitly saying "man dudes have never once done anything for me" it's a bit of a leap to conclude they're secretly into dudes, not impossible, but not supported by text or subtext. Also, nice failure of reading comprehension there mate, I literally mentioned bisexuality myself before you did, you were the one saying "oh well she's actually straight and this is just her silly woman feefees getting confused because this other character is secretly a guy inside" So get off your high-horse pretending that I was trying Bi erasure when you have been literally attempting to erase all queerness from the story this whole time.

I would not be opposed to the classic "wait you were a guy before?" reveal, which is a type of story beat that can be used comfortably in genderswap stories, but also in trans-adjacent stories, and would in fact help to elucidate just how gay/straight/bi/other that character is. On this much at least we can agree.

Again you misuse the terminology, I don't care how straight/gay/bi/etc you are, I care about how cis/trans/nonbinary you are, and even then only to prove a point in how limited your lens of critical analysis is, gender exists in more than just clothing, plenty of trans AND cis women dress in a masculine fashion, that doesn't suddenly make them men.

As to the "all dude think about this sort of thing sometime" are you sure about that? Cuz that strikes me as "folk wisdom" i.e. bullshit rather than something you're pulling from polling data on, this kind of dovetails into a broader discussion about how "maybe every human is a little bit genderfluid" as well as the even thornier "you do realize gender is a social construct that is only tangentially informed by biology right? Or are you going to try and show me a gene for liking the colour pink?" but those are more advanced concept that we doooo not have time for here, so I'm just going to set that can of worms aside and say... maybe not all dudes actually feel that? Maybe only some feel that because they aren't quite as Cis as they think, but apply a thought-terminating-cliche to not have to think about it so much because actually facing that and seriously interrogating it would be terrifying... or maybe it is just an idle thought.

Either way, this conversation has indeed drifted quite a bit from its original charter, which is me pointing out your adamant insistence that even obviously queer content is somehow as straight and Cis as can be (I had to pry the bi concession out of you with a crowbar and then you tried to gaslight me into thinking it was your idea, naughty-naughty) is patently absurd. What, you think that queer creators can't also write trashy and silly stories? Literally everyone enjoys making trashy media every now and again.

Or for that matter, that a non-queer creator can't include queer themes either intentionally (One Piece's author literally had a drag queen friend that inspired him to make an anarchist drag queen faction) or indeed, accidentally. Yes sometimes an author will include themes in a work without fully thinking through what they mean, because the human brain is wild like that, all these bits and pieces of ideas that creatives pick up from their environment, if they're throwing in concepts then sometimes an emergent property arises. for example, Heimlein's novel Starship Troopers basically reinvents Fascism from first principles, Heimlein wouldn't have described himself as a fascist, but because he had certain assumptions and biases, they ended up leading him down that same road.

I don't know what the author of THIS story intends... but whether accidentally or intentionally, it ended up very queer, time will tell if it ends up Queer-baiting if it goes in the direction you seem to be expecting, or fully queered up if it goes in the direction I'm expecting.
 
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This new chapter is interesting.
Reminds me that the concept of futanari (hermaphroditism) is underrepresented in serial manga for how popular it is in erotic works.
I’m looking forward to how the author explores this topic, I hope it isn’t a quick joke like in other mangas (onimai). - I predict she has to go to school stuck with the extra appendage for a day.
How do you think the author will explore this idea?
 
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This new chapter is interesting.
Reminds me that the concept of futanari (hermaphroditism) is underrepresented in serial manga for how popular it is in erotic works.
I’m looking forward to how the author explores this topic, I hope it isn’t a quick joke like in other mangas (onimai). - I predict she has to go to school stuck with the extra appendage for a day.
How do you think the author will explore this idea?
Knowing this story? Transily. a lot of transwomen do have to manage said unwanted appendage after all.
 
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This new chapter is interesting.
Reminds me that the concept of futanari (hermaphroditism) is underrepresented in serial manga for how popular it is in erotic works.
I’m looking forward to how the author explores this topic, I hope it isn’t a quick joke like in other mangas (onimai). - I predict she has to go to school stuck with the extra appendage for a day.
How do you think the author will explore this idea?
It was a quick joke and excuse to get Jun to finally explore his female body. Like I said. This story ain't that deep. Well, Jun's pussy is deep, at least 🤭
 
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Boy. It's almost like well written stories about emotionally complex characters can support multiple valid interpretations from readers approaching the work from different angles. Weird.
Wait, you guys are reading well written stories about emotionally complex characters? :worry:
I thought I was reading a manga where the artist draws every gyaru with tits bigger than their heads she's ever imagined in all possible scenarios where they might strip off all their clothes.
 

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