Danshi Koukousei, Otome Game no Akuyaku Reijou ni Tensei Suru.

[leviadragon]

Nah, just an objective form of measurement that you think is idiotic because you are emotional and to egotistical to admit that you like something that sucks ass. It's okay, you're allowed to like shit that sucks.

It is an objective measurement yes, but of Success, which =/= Quality. You have taken an objective measurement, or at least, assumed one based on an outcome (did you actually check the sales charts boyo?) and tried to extrapolate the thing it literally measures into something it only potentially measures, because there are too many Additional Variables other than pure quality when it comes to how successful something is.

Just as an example, Advertisement and Distribution, if the best song in the world was played once in a no-name bar then it might have some word of mouth around the bar, but it won't be as financially successful as a bunch of pop slop played on tv, there is also the potential for it to be shown to the wrong audience, you won't get many metal fans vibing to an ABBA song, but that doesn't mean ABBA doesn't have fans, some pieces of media suffer from editorial interference like Blade Runner, an initially unpopular movie that was undercut by a bad edit demanded by the studio, but has since become both critically and commercially successful.

And of course there are movies that are financially successful that most people will readily admit were shite, whether poorly made on a structural, cinematography and narrative cohesion level, or just subjectively unenjoyable. Michael Bay's Transformer movies are a prime example, financially successful despite, among other things, editing that a professional cinematographer, an expert on what is Objective in that field would say was Bad.

Which brings me onto my next topic, you say that this story was bad, why was it bad? Was the panel composition incoherant, did the artwork fail to convey motion, were the characters inconsistantly written? If we're talking about Objective Qualities then you should be able to get into the weeds and explain What Precisely They Messed Up.

Because if your complaint is purely that "dey used tropes I no like!!!" Then that falls firmly under the province of subjective preference, and whether yours is a common or uncommon perspective on them is not demonstrable of some magical objectivity in that framing.

 

[CannibalShinobi]

It is an objective measurement yes, but of Success, which =/= Quality. You have taken an objective measurement, or at least, assumed one based on an outcome (did you actually check the sales charts boyo?) and tried to extrapolate the thing it literally measures into something it only potentially measures, because there are too many Additional Variables other than pure quality when it comes to how successful something is.

Just as an example, Advertisement and Distribution, if the best song in the world was played once in a no-name bar then it might have some word of mouth around the bar, but it won't be as financially successful as a bunch of pop slop played on tv, there is also the potential for it to be shown to the wrong audience, you won't get many metal fans vibing to an ABBA song, but that doesn't mean ABBA doesn't have fans, some pieces of media suffer from editorial interference like Blade Runner, an initially unpopular movie that was undercut by a bad edit demanded by the studio, but has since become both critically and commercially successful.

And of course there are movies that are financially successful that most people will readily admit were shite, whether poorly made on a structural, cinematography and narrative cohesion level, or just subjectively unenjoyable. Michael Bay's Transformer movies are a prime example, financially successful despite, among other things, editing that a professional cinematographer, an expert on what is Objective in that field would say was Bad.

Which brings me onto my next topic, you say that this story was bad, why was it bad? Was the panel composition incoherant, did the artwork fail to convey motion, were the characters inconsistantly written? If we're talking about Objective Qualities then you should be able to get into the weeds and explain What Precisely They Messed Up.

Because if your complaint is purely that "dey used tropes I no like!!!" Then that falls firmly under the province of subjective preference, and whether yours is a common or uncommon perspective on them is not demonstrable of some magical objectivity in that framing.

This garbage wasn't worth the paper it was printed on and another series that will recieve the same advertisement and exposure will takes its place.

You sit here and wrote an essay on advertising without realizing that every series that is published in this magazine gets the same exposure. There is no extra variables, the stories in the same magazines are competing with each other for space and this pile of garbage lost. It did not only lose to the other manga that was packaged with it, it lost to the new series that the publisher believes has more potential that will replace it. The publisher also takes surveys, they have the data on what their readers want to see and this shit lost and was cut short.

I called it trash, gave all the reasons I needed to, people defended it, it was cancelled, now I get to gloat. Get over it. There's plenty of more garbage for you to read, no need to defend every single one from every single person who criticized it.

 

[leviadragon]

This garbage wasn't worth the paper it was printed on and another series that will recieve the same advertisement and exposure will takes its place.

You sit here and wrote an essay on advertising without realizing that every series that is published in this magazine gets the same exposure. There is no extra variables, the stories in the same magazines are competing with each other for space and this pile of garbage lost. It did not only lose to the other manga that was packaged with it, it lost to the new series that the publisher believes has more potential that will replace it. The publisher also takes surveys, they have the data on what their readers want to see and this shit lost and was cut short.

I called it trash, gave all the reasons I needed to, people defended it, it was cancelled, now I get to gloat. Get over it. There's plenty of more garbage for you to read, no need to defend every single one from every single person who criticized it.

In this magazine, you see the distinction there? Perhaps this magazine is failing overall, perhaps this story wasn't well-matched to the magazine's audience, Hell, perhaps previous stories happened to get a mention by a celebrity that drove more traffic than the magazine would normally get, perhaps there was a social media firestorm about this author, perhaps any one of a number of things, I don't know because I haven't done that research, and a strongly suspect you haven't either. That's the point, you're boiling down all of the complexities of popularity to "wuz in same magazine, wuz not as popular" And if that was all it were? you'd be no better or worse than any other intellectually lazy person, but you had the temerity to be intolerably smug about it.

Hell, maybe one of the people managing the publishing had an axe to grind, people in capitalism make stupid calls all the goddamn time, so pretending that someone cancelling this story could only have done so for coldly rational reasons is ignoring that under capitalism, stupid bullshit like the Cybertruck can be made because the bossman was a nepo baby. Again I want to stress, I don't know what happened behind the scenes, and neither do you. I am no longer arguing about the merits of this story, but that you're making quarter-assed claims about "objectivity" that either doesn't say what you think it does, or are wholly imaginary.

Now as to you citing reasons why you think it's bad, you've literally only started gloating on this thread after the story was over, you may have whined about it elsewhere before it ended, but I don't have a goddam clue what you said, nor am I particularly inclined to believe you were prescient or had incisive commentary without some receipts motherfucker. Where did you make these alleged prognostications oh Nostradamus of trash-talk? What did your divinely ordained critical analysis reveal? Because all I'm seeing on this thread is the demented bleating of "it's trash! It's trash!" like a particularly syphilitic parrot.

 

[CannibalShinobi]

In this magazine, you see the distinction there? Perhaps this magazine is failing overall, perhaps this story wasn't well-matched to the magazine's audience, Hell, perhaps previous stories happened to get a mention by a celebrity that drove more traffic than the magazine would normally get, perhaps there was a social media firestorm about this author, perhaps any one of a number of things, I don't know because I haven't done that research, and a strongly suspect you haven't either. That's the point, you're boiling down all of the complexities of popularity to "wuz in same magazine, wuz not as popular" And if that was all it were? you'd be no better or worse than any other intellectually lazy person, but you had the temerity to be intolerably smug about it.

Hell, maybe one of the people managing the publishing had an axe to grind, people in capitalism make stupid calls all the goddamn time, so pretending that someone cancelling this story could only have done so for coldly rational reasons is ignoring that under capitalism, stupid bullshit like the Cybertruck can be made because the bossman was a nepo baby. Again I want to stress, I don't know what happened behind the scenes, and neither do you. I am no longer arguing about the merits of this story, but that you're making quarter-assed claims about "objectivity" that either doesn't say what you think it does, or are wholly imaginary.

Now as to you citing reasons why you think it's bad, you've literally only started gloating on this thread after the story was over, you may have whined about it elsewhere before it ended, but I don't have a goddam clue what you said, nor am I particularly inclined to believe you were prescient or had incisive commentary without some receipts motherfucker. Where did you make these alleged prognostications oh Nostradamus of trash-talk? What did your divinely ordained critical analysis reveal? Because all I'm seeing on this thread is the demented bleating of "it's trash! It's trash!" like a particularly syphilitic parrot.

You can make all the bullshit stories you want, it just shows how you are too pathetically emotionally immature to accept reality. Occam's razor, you blathering child. It was cancelled, the simplest hypothesis is that it didn't sell. It didn't sell because it wasn't received well enough to a large enough audience.

It is an OBJECTIVE FACT that this shit got cancelled. It's an OBJECTIVE FACT that the number one reason manga series get cancelled is because they don't sell enough volumes. If you're too fucking stupid to accept that FACT then that's not my problem. You liked a shit series and the shit series got cancelled. I called it shit a long time ago and I have zero obligation to dig up my comments from years ago to satisfy your insistent curiosity. Grow the fuck up and move on to another dogshit series. Maybe you might see another comment from me calling it shit, bookmark it and then you can test out my foresight if you are so god damn invested in a stranger's opinion.

 

[leviadragon]

You can make all the bullshit stories you want, it just shows how you are too pathetically emotionally immature to accept reality. Occam's razor, you blathering child. It was cancelled, the simplest hypothesis is that it didn't sell. It didn't sell because it wasn't received well enough to a large enough audience.

It is an OBJECTIVE FACT that this shit got cancelled. It's an OBJECTIVE FACT that the number one reason manga series get cancelled is because they don't sell enough volumes. If you're too fucking stupid to accept that FACT then that's not my problem. You liked a shit series and the shit series got cancelled. I called it shit a long time ago and I have zero obligation to dig up my comments from years ago to satisfy your insistent curiosity. Grow the fuck up and move on to another dogshit series. Maybe you might see another comment from me calling it shit, bookmark it and then you can test out my foresight if you are so god damn invested in a stranger's opinion.

I am familiar with Occam's Razor, as well that sometimes throwing around terms like it is a particularly lazy form of pseudo-intellectualism that gives a person an excuse to keep chatting shit about something they've deliberately chosen not to look into and instead made assumptions about.

I accept that it was cancelled, I accept that most cancellations are predominantly due to lack of popularity, I'll even grant you on the balance of probabilities that it probably wasn't popular and thus got cancelled, probably. That is where the known objective facts end.

Because you have been claiming the entire time that Objective Lack of Success means Objective Lack of Quality, as if that is the only possible variable, which for the former is not necessarily the case and for the latter is so untrue as to be patently absurd.

As you're the one making claims that you saw this shit coming, and that you had critiques which weren't just hollow infantile whining, it is incumbent upon you to prove your prescience and your insightfulness, otherwise you are just some asshole gloating that a series didn't sell well because you feel like it validates you not liking it, and that's just pathetic.

Why even care that much at base to gloat about a series you presumably weren't reading much of, do you legit not have better things to do? Because lemme tell ya buddy, if I drop a series after a chapter because it isn't vibing with me, I move on and do other things I'm here right now because I find you to be an odious little troll, and sharpening my rhetoric against you for use against bigger game to be personally edifying.

I have given you every opportunity to prove you aren't just some asshole talking shit, and you have made no effort to correct that, simply doubling down on "mah sales figurs mek objechtive qualitah!" when you're only making an probabilistically weighted guess on those sales to begin with, not particularly objective my dude.

 

[CannibalShinobi]

I am familiar with Occam's Razor, as well that sometimes throwing around terms like it is a particularly lazy form of pseudo-intellectualism that gives a person an excuse to keep chatting shit about something they've deliberately chosen not to look into and instead made assumptions about.

I accept that it was cancelled, I accept that most cancellations are predominantly due to lack of popularity, I'll even grant you on the balance of probabilities that it probably wasn't popular and thus got cancelled, probably. That is where the known objective facts end.

Because you have been claiming the entire time that Objective Lack of Success means Objective Lack of Quality, as if that is the only possible variable, which for the former is not necessarily the case and for the latter is so untrue as to be patently absurd.

As you're the one making claims that you saw this shit coming, and that you had critiques which weren't just hollow infantile whining, it is incumbent upon you to prove your prescience and your insightfulness, otherwise you are just some asshole gloating that a series didn't sell well because you feel like it validates you not liking it, and that's just pathetic.

Why even care that much at base to gloat about a series you presumably weren't reading much of, do you legit not have better things to do? Because lemme tell ya buddy, if I drop a series after a chapter because it isn't vibing with me, I move on and do other things I'm here right now because I find you to be an odious little troll, and sharpening my rhetoric against you for use against bigger game to be personally edifying.

I have given you every opportunity to prove you aren't just some asshole talking shit, and you have made no effort to correct that, simply doubling down on "mah sales figurs mek objechtive qualitah!" when you're only making an probabilistically weighted guess on those sales to begin with, not particularly objective my dude.

Nope, Occam's Razor is suppose to simplify the argument for dumbfucks like you, who just can't stop blathering to cover up their own inane ramblings, to understand. You try to paint the situation with conspiracies and complications to get the result you desire because accepting the simple reality is too much of a hit to your fragile ego.

I can absolutely infere a lack of popularity with the lack of quality when compared to similar products advertised in the same location at the same amount. It lost to other series, therefore by comparison it was worse. It's entertainment, it failed to entertain.

I have zero obligation to prove anything to you. What the fuck makes you think you're worth the effort? Your self-inflated ego is why you have wasted so much time here, you can't stand another person's opinion. When that person has the receipts after the series in question gets canceled, giving plenty of evidence to back up that opinion, your worldview shatters and you have to pretend that no matter the results your opinion is the only true one. That's why you have spent so much time trying to come up with excuses for why a series would be cancelled other than the obvious.

If you care so much go look for yourself, you lazy fuck. You are the only one who cares about a random anonymous person's opinion enough to spend this much time crying about it. And you are going to call me pathetic? Forget gloating about being right about a dogshit manga, you crave the satisfaction of being right about the opinion of a random forum user. Far more pathetic by multitudes.

I was right, series got axed, you keep crying like a little bitch.