Datenshi Soprano-chan no Fukushuu - Ch. 14 - Is That Really Such a Bad Thing?

[MangaDex]

 

[Yakkatta]

I feel like soprano is just getting revenge on her while still liking her?? It’s strange.

 

[UdenEmpati]

My best guess -

Is that Soprano is in love with Mirei. But She's in love with the Mirei from before; in the four years they were apart, Mirei's closed off a lot, shut down, and retreated into herself, and Soprano is stuck trying to rekindle something that isn't there, and is now...effectively "forcing" Mirei to turn back the clock in a way that's just not possible or healthy.
Emi-chan describing Mirei in the way she did this chapter does conflict with the Mirei we see in Soprano's flashbacks, after all - and that disconnect is at least part of the current tension between them, and why Emi's accusation toward Soprano in "forcing" Mirei, holds some water.

If I'm right, then she is - because Mirei's changed too much, though I'd have to re-read to see if we got a reason (falling out with classmates that lead to becoming introverted--I might be conflating with another title on that, though).

Which, could represent a path forward where Soprano switches gears and builds Mirei back up in terms of confidence, or something.
Or we continue getting this unsettling quasi-yandere plot with Mirei getting cornered by an overly-attached Soprano until something snaps.

Guess we'll see, though.

 

[flowsthead]

Well it's as they say, if you're gay you have some mental issue or illness. Same with Soprano on how she convey her love is a bit Mental. Not that it's wrong, just a bit mental ish.

Instant block. What the fuck?

 

[flowsthead]

I've read a lot of yuri where one of the girls is struggling with comp het, and I'm at this point honestly not sure this is one, and if it is, it's the one that makes me most uncomfortable.

 

[KatouEgao]

What

 

[UdenEmpati]

I've read a lot of yuri where one of the girls is struggling with comp het, and I'm at this point honestly not sure this is one, and if it is, it's the one that makes me most uncomfortable.

I really can't get a bead on where the story wants to go, other than it's decidedly leaving me off-balance each chapter.
The art doesn't help, and I mean that in a good way. If Fujimoto's going for "unsettling", they've hit that mark in my book.

 

[UdenEmpati]

Well it's as they say, if you're gay you have some mental issue or illness. Same with Soprano on how she convey her love is a bit Mental. Not that it's wrong, just a bit mental ish.

I....are you being sarcastic?

Why are you even here if you aren't?

 

[BrotherCoa]

Oh boy, seems that drama is slowly increasing.

While I do understand Soprano's feelings, she needs to take things slowly and put Mirei's feelings into equasion. In that regard Emi is 100% right, even if she would want to have a piece of Mirei as well.

So we have two possible ways this might go - she can adapt and take things slowly or she could become more aggressive. Thankfully, gibing that she is thinking about this carefully for now it seema to be the former. But with manga like these it can go the other way too...

All in all, very interesting setup and I am locked it for it.

 

[bluebutterfly15]

Judging by Emi’s line about “smug lectures”, I guessing even she knows running interference like this on Mirei’s bahalf isn’t doing her a kindness, at least not in the long run. Emi won’t be there to protect her forever, one day she’ll have to figure out how to handle conflict herself or she’ll just be a doormat for the rest of her life.

Then, there’s Soprano. I think it speaks to how much she really does care for Mirei that Emi’s words bothered her at all. It‘d be easy to dismiss it as not being her business, and plenty of people would have. Still, what is she to do? She can’t bring herself to go back to being just friends, and if she tries to pull away, there’s a chance Mirei will pull her right back, like she did at the end of the chapter.

Interesting how Mirei already accepts it as a foregone conclusion that if things continue as they have been, they’ll end up doing a proper kiss. And yet, when Soprano finally presented an out for her, she didn’t take it. Makes me wonder if part of her wants to break if it will finally make Soprano happy.

 

[BoredTears]

I've read a lot of yuri where one of the girls is struggling with comp het, and I'm at this point honestly not sure this is one, and if it is, it's the one that makes me most uncomfortable.

I don't think I would consider it comp het, because her reactions seem to be an inability to identify and articulate her feelings. Even back in chapter 1 when she knew absolutely that she shouldn't repeat what she said in the past and tell Soprano that her feelings were weird, she started to blurted it out anyway because she couldn't articulate a proper response. She had four years of agonizing over what she said, and she still doesn't know how to reply. So I would say she isn't trying to be heterosexual, she's just failing to find herself. As I think she would have a lot easier of a time finding the words if she knew what words to put to her own feelings.

 

[flowsthead]

I don't think I would consider it comp het, because her reactions seem to be an inability to identify and articulate her feelings. Even back in chapter 1 when she knew absolutely that she shouldn't repeat what she said in the past and tell Soprano that her feelings were weird, she started to blurted it out anyway because she couldn't articulate a proper response. She had four years of agonizing over what she said, and she still doesn't know how to reply. So I would say she isn't trying to be heterosexual, she's just failing to find herself. As I think she would have a lot easier of a time finding the words if she knew what words to put to her own feelings.

The phrase "even though we're both girls" which she's used multiple times in the manga so far is either comphet, which would make sense in a yuri manga, or she's just straight. Not finding herself and not knowing her feelings would be one thing, if she just wasn't sure how she should feel for any romantic connection. But her explicitly calling it out because they're both girls is comphet or heterosexuality.

 

[Lilyboo7]

I've read a lot of yuri where one of the girls is struggling with comp het, and I'm at this point honestly not sure this is one, and if it is, it's the one that makes me most uncomfortable.

I wouldn't describe it as Comphet exactly, rather it's a ton of internalised homophobia (to be fair very similar concept), it's the instinctual way she's uncomfortable around the idea of doing anything romantic with Soprano BECAUSE there both woman, despite logically knowing that's there is nothing wrong 2 woman doing that stuff together, and how we see those feeling's over and over again in Mirei's character

Comphet implies she'd be forcing feelings for a guy, while unable to have those feelings which we've not really seen

 

[flowsthead]

I wouldn't describe it as Comphet exactly, rather it's a ton of internalised homophobia (to be fair very similar concept), it's the instinctual way she's uncomfortable around the idea of doing anything romantic with Soprano BECAUSE there both woman, despite logically knowing that's there is nothing wrong 2 woman doing that stuff together, and how we see those feeling's over and over again in Mirei's character

Comphet implies she'd be forcing feelings for a guy, while unable to have those feelings which we've not really seen

No comphet also applies in this situation. Internalized homophobia would fit better if she was disgusted with herself for having feelings for Soprano, not if she just assumes it doesn't make sense for two girls to be together. Comphet works perfectly fine for women who don't think they have any interest in dating because their only options have been men, because it's not really about the men.

 

[BoredTears]

The phrase "even though we're both girls" which she's used multiple times in the manga so far is either comphet, which would make sense in a yuri manga, or she's just straight. Not finding herself and not knowing her feelings would be one thing, if she just wasn't sure how she should feel for any romantic connection. But her explicitly calling it out because they're both girls is comphet or heterosexuality.

Not that there is no influence but it's a phrase she said without intention or understanding, and the second time she tried to stop herself, but didn't know what to say. I can't consider her current reaction compulsory when she doesn't have an answer, and is trying not to give that compulsory answer. She isn't avoiding the answer because she feels compelled to avoid it, she just doesn't have one.

Comp het was a factor in what she said at first, several years ago, but it isn't a primary driver of the current dynamic. After all she didn't object to the trial lovers thing. Also in chapter 9 when pressed if there was something wrong with a girl loving another girl she said there's nothing wrong. Then she had a flashback to what she had said before and thought about what she had said hurt her friend.

The current situation is her trying not to hurt her friend, trying to restore their relationship, but she doesn't have an answer for her friend's feelings. So I'd say it's mostly about self discovery, rather than wrestling with societal pressure and influence.

 

[Colonel-Picquart]

People unconditionally backing Emi seem to me to be missing the thesis of the story, and this chapter especially.
To me the story rejects the idea of love as something selfless, it needs to have a component of selfishness in there to work, you need to pursue what  you want to some extent. The results of not doing so are either a) being like Mirei which is to say a total doormat or b) being like Emi and writing off your own feelings under a banner of "it's what's best for the other person".

Soprano is extreme and pushy in her feelings and I have no doubt she'll moderate her pushiness in later chapters probably after a hard sharp split where Soprano makes herself visibly miserable by cutting ties or following the Emi route and Mirei admits that "actually I quite like having her around" and learns to be more assertive and selfish in her feelings.

 

[flowsthead]

Not that there is no influence but it's a phrase she said without intention or understanding, and the second time she tried to stop herself, but didn't know what to say. I can't consider her current reaction compulsory when she doesn't have an answer, and is trying not to give that compulsory answer. She isn't avoiding the answer because she feels compelled to avoid it, she just doesn't have one.

Comp het was a factor in what she said at first, several years ago, but it isn't a primary driver of the current dynamic. After all she didn't object to the trial lovers thing. Also in chapter 9 when pressed if there was something wrong with a girl loving another girl she said there's nothing wrong. Then she had a flashback to what she had said before and thought about what she had said hurt her friend.

The current situation is her trying not to hurt her friend, trying to restore their relationship, but she doesn't have an answer for her friend's feelings. So I'd say it's mostly about self discovery, rather than wrestling with societal pressure and influence.

I think you're taking her at word a little too much. Her knowing in theory gay people exist and being ok with them in theory being in love is very different from applying it to herself. Comphet can still apply if she can't see herself in that situation, which I think applies to the manga right now, especially when you look back at the previous chapter with the kiss. Or, again, she's just straight and it's not comphet.

Also, go back and check out the last few chapters, she did object to the trial lovers but Soprano guilted her into it.

 

[dw123456]

Well it's as they say, if you're gay you have some mental issue or illness. Same with Soprano on how she convey her love is a bit Mental. Not that it's wrong, just a bit mental ish.

They who, dumbass?

 

[Baffled]

So, Emi-chan decided to be a cuck, and Mirei is slowly developing a Stockholm syndrome

I'm so fucking tired of this trope where the MC's best friend just HAS TO hide her feelings for the MC and "support her from afar", and/or do other bullshit like that, even though they're literally the best option for romance, but Japanese writers just have something against best friends/childhood friend
Emi-chan clearly has feelings for Mirei, and yet she goes "I just wish for her to be happy, hurr durr🤪". Bitch, please, YOU can make her happy, but you're not even trying to shoot your shot

I still pray that Mirei will snap out of it and Emi-chan will get her shit together, but after reading so much GL manga, I know how it'll end. Yet I just can't help but hope for the better. 🚬

 

[flowsthead]

So, Emi-chan decided to be a cuck, and Mirei is slowly developing a Stockholm syndrome

I'm so fucking tired of this trope where the MC's best friend just HAS TO hide her feelings for the MC and "support her from afar", and/or do other bullshit like that, even though they're literally the best option for romance, but Japanese writers just have something against best friends/childhood friend
Emi-chan clearly has feelings for Mirei, and yet she goes "I just wish for her to be happy, hurr durr🤪". Bitch, please, YOU can make her happy, but you're not even trying to shoot your shot

I still pray that Mirei will snap out of it and Emi-chan will get her shit together, but after reading so much GL manga, I know how it'll end. Yet I just can't help but hope for the better. 🚬

I feel you, but I have seen this in real life. Some girls are cowards. Heck, I know someone that has had threesomes and foursomes with the girl shes in love with but was still too scared to ask her out because it could ruin the friendship, so she never did and now the other girl is engaged to someone else. They're still friends and they both seem happy with that, but like, what could have been, you know?