Dien Bien Phu - Vol. 1 Ch. 1 - The Beginning and the End

[Finalattackanimation]

@athzuwu There are plenty of legitimate critiques to be made about socialism in theory and how it works in practice, but you didn't make any of them. Countries like modern-day Vietnam, where people are for the most part allowed to live their lives without too much bullshit, are not at all comparable to real totalitarian dictatorships like North Korea (which isn't even a "Communist" country. Marx was not mentioned once in their "constitution". The really tragic part about all this is that unless you're already wealthy, you'd probably benefit from a few moderate socialist policies like free healthcare and a robust social safety net. Also, do you believe free public libraries are a good thing. If so, congratulations, you support a very socialist policy!

 

[athzuwu]

@finalattackanimation socialism fails to where it's applied throughout history. USSR, for example, despite its rather ambitious expansionism, it just crumpled on itself.

Vietnam and Korea, very different countries today despite having been going through the same war in essence. Unfortunately, the war stopped and communism took over Vietnam, South Korea on the other hand has been much different, communism is illegal by the National Security Law and the country joins the world's leading economies. North Korea took on communism and later mutated into a totalitarian state. Clearly we can see where communism is heading to. A shithole. Also, don't try grouping together socialism and modified social safety nets in the capitalist world, different things.

Socialism gives everyone fair share of means of production, individuals are equal, no bourgeois class, stateless. This looks like an appetizing cake but you would figure out that it's made of Marxshit instead of chocolate.

Who in a socialist utopia enforces means of production to be equally distributed? The worker unions? The government? Head of state, a leader? Wait, isn't it supposed to be classless and stateless? Communism/socialism hates privately-owned property, but won't see that private property transfer is made easier when people have the same shit?? Then isn't this just capitalist? Marx tries selling shits about how bad capitalism is but this mofo's shitshow leads to it in the end.

My apology but, fuck communism and socialism. Hate it.

 

[grapliont]

@athzuwu have you considered actually understanding Marxism? If you did then you wouldn't look like such a fucking idiot when you try to talk about it. But I guess someone whose understanding of history is as complex as "the USSR was expansionist" and "the Korean war and the Vietnam war were the same in essence". Try reading about how expansionist the USSR was when they abandoned us Greeks.

 

[athzuwu]

@grapliont sure, Stalin and Mao are not expansionists despite literally wanting international communism. USSR and China don't expand at all but will take over the world instead.

My understanding of Marxism surpasses far beyond what your monkey brain's comprehended of it because I see how it's a bullshit system that didn't and doesn't work in practice. Only brings ruins and poverty everywhere it's been applied in history.

Go suck communist dictators' dicks more.

 

[Lapdodge]

@athzuwu cool to see you're still getting owned in the comments section of a manga, loser. I'm not a Communist and think it's a bad idea, but I can still see how badly you're embarrassing yourself. Have you heard of Nikita Krushchev? The guy who came after Stalin and started a massive de-Stalinization program that helped lead to the Sino-Soviet split? After that there was the whole Détente thing? If the Soviet Union and China were so expansionist then how come they barely helped any left movement in Africa and completely ignored south America? Also Marxism isn't a system, it's a method of analysis. Like algebra.

 

[athzuwu]

@lapdodge communism in its theory doesn't succeed unless it goes international which means the wet dream of communist dictators. Which means expansion. Sure, China doesn't want to expand at all with all the spying electronic techs, and the current territorial disputes happening in South China Sea. Looks like you don't read news.

Damn, imagine saying math is not a system of scientific tools to do analysis, and Marxism's goal is not to create a utopia based on bullshit lies and delusions.

Also, I'm doing a fine job to re-educate the lost communists in this comment section, which is a pretty meaningful thing to do.

 

[grapliont]

@athzuwu see your problem is you look at what you think an ideology is without actually understanding it and then assume that the events of history went that way. Thinking "I want the world to be filled with Democracy" is not expansionist if you don't actually do anything to achieve that end. Same with Communism.
If "people who do the work should be in charge of society" sounds like bullshit to you then you're a rube.

 

[athzuwu]

@grapliont Aight, I know you have a PhD in Marxism and you are the only one in the whole wide world understands the very deep intricacies of it. Yikes.

"people who do the work should be in charge of society", did I say this is bullshit anywhere in my comments except Marxism is bullshit? Don't put the words in my mouth, faggot! Is this communist propaganda I'm seeing here?!

Anyway,

If "people who do the work should be in charge of society" sounds like bullshit to you then you're a rube.

. This is so wrong when coming from your Marxist point of view. You are saying the bosses, the CEOs, etc. And the capitalists don't work, arent't you?

I will tell you straight to stop thinking this way and devalue others so you can rob, kill, take away means of production to nationalize them, destroy private property, achievements, and human rights. This is the whole thing that Marxism and whatnot is about so stop acting so high and mighty on this subject, are you even human???

Stop acting like your Marxism is something so complex that no one on Earth except the likes of you can understand it and not point out its bullshit lmao.

Communism basically: private property destroyed, people work for the state not themselves, no freedom, no social status except two newly established that are worker class and leader/state class. Imagine wanting to iradicate social classes to make a worse version of them lmao.

Fuckers who want a communist "utopia" probably don't survive in it lmao.

Go to Gulag and suck Stalin/Lenin's penises there.

Also, study Marxism more before saying others don't understand it like you do, because I can see you clearly still not snap out of it.

 

[BraveDude8]

For the love of god, argue the merits of opposed economic systems elsewhere.

 

[Epoxy]

It's funny to see that almost all of the comments are moderated

 

[Anreon]

FYI for everyone in here, communism and socialism are not interchangeable. Two separate, different things. USSR and China are communist. Sweden, Denmark, Norway are socialist. Surely you aren't saying that Sweden and China look and work the same?

 

[Oured]

@Anreon Please do not mistake the Nordic Model as socialism. Their system is a blend of capitalist economics with socialist values and they are all free market capitalist countries that thrive despite the inherent cost of social and welfare state policies. Their prime ministers have already made this point clear in the past.

 

[Levankua]

Love the contrast of the character design with the setting. Too bad the comments section is the usual western experience.