Differences between erotica and pornographic tags?

[yttpr]

Sorry I’m not too sure where to put this. I was curious about what the criteria were for the erotica and pornographic tags, as well as by extension the suggestive tag. I’ve found several series tagged erotica that I would personally qualify as at least sexually explicit.
Recently (literally half an hour ago) I read an article detailing the differences between erotica and pornographic as pornographic demonstrating sexual violence or otherwise being demeaning towards women, with erotica not doing that, which sparked my interest in the differences between the erotica and the pornographic tags on this site. As well as just reading a series tagged erotica that I’d consider pornography from simply a sexual explicitness standpoint. I was just wondering if there was like any specific criteria or if users or user loaders just tag the series themselves

 

[Roler]

Site rules 2.2.2 and 2.2.2.1 cover this.

But basically:

• if it has sex with shown genitals (even if *censored), it's definitely pornographic
• if it has sex but genitals aren't shown, it's most likely erotica
• if the genitals aren't shown but there is no "story", only sex, it's most likely pornographic

There are series that dance on a fine line tho.

*stuff like this:

 

[OisE]

Recently (literally half an hour ago) I read an article detailing the differences between erotica and pornographic as pornographic demonstrating sexual violence or otherwise being demeaning towards women, with erotica not doing that

Well that's awfully wrong to affirm that, what you read was a bad article.

 

[yttpr]

Well that's awfully wrong to affirm that, what you read was a bad article.

the article came from a philosophy class and i go to a public college in california lmaoooo

 

[RogueKitsune]

I learned it in school so it must be true

Man the amount of stuff that I had been taught in school (including higher education) that turned out "wrong" is seemingly endless.

The lesson here should be never stop trying to learn and never go off of one source.

 

[araya_tatsuya]

what's the difference between lingerie and swimsuit

Spoiler

 

[OisE]

the article came from a philosophy class and i go to a public college in california lmaoooo

Ok, that's a point of view with the values of the author.

It can be right, but the erotica and pornographic in this context don't have the same meaning as MD's erotica and pornographic tags.

Also, I think the "philosopher" had never heard of gay/sole male pornography.

 

[CapnAndy]

the article came from a philosophy class and i go to a public college in california lmaoooo

And you got all the way to college without learning to question what you’re taught?

 

[TGN]

what's the difference between lingerie and swimsuit

If you believe your bikini bottoms are panties then they are panties!

 

[iMoevious]

what's the difference between lingerie and swimsuit

If it's hidden, it's lingerie. If it's shown, it's swimsuit. 🗿

 

[TestAddress]

THEY are the same to anyone.

Source: shown both to public, and the public reacts the same. Never trust weebs on screen.

 

[TestAddress]

They both show sex and should be not public. In other words, NSFW. No one in work literally reads erotica. Thus NSFW.
Examples of Erotica: Playboy Magazine.

After all erotica - eros - sex - public showing of sex is pornography. Even semantics give out that logic.

Sorry I’m not too sure where to put this. I was curious about what the criteria were for the erotica and pornographic tags, as well as by extension the suggestive tag. I’ve found several series tagged erotica that I would personally qualify as at least sexually explicit.
Recently (literally half an hour ago) I read an article detailing the differences between erotica and pornographic as pornographic demonstrating sexual violence or otherwise being demeaning towards women, with erotica not doing that, which sparked my interest in the differences between the erotica and the pornographic tags on this site. As well as just reading a series tagged erotica that I’d consider pornography from simply a sexual explicitness standpoint. I was just wondering if there was like any specific criteria or if users or user loaders just tag the series themselves

 

[arimareiji]

Also, I'm guessing male genitals are pornographic while female genitals are erotica?

The redraw of Nagatoro 145 got deleted, which I would guess was because it included Senpai Jr (not involved in sex of any sort) -- but Tsugumomo so frequently included very-explicit "but there's no penetration" sex (with the redraws showing female genitals, but never male) that I finally dropped the whole series.

Because that's what I do when something crosses my personal lines of taste, not report it and try to get it removed. 🤷‍♀️

 

[Roler]

Also, I'm guessing male genitals are pornographic while female genitals are erotica?

The redraw of Nagatoro 145 got deleted, which I would guess was because it included Senpai Jr (not involved in sex of any sort) -- but Tsugumomo so frequently included very-explicit "but there's no penetration" sex (with the redraws showing female genitals, but never male) that I finally dropped the whole series.

Because that's what I do when something crosses my personal lines of taste, not report it and try to get it removed. 🤷‍♀️

No.

Full pornographic rated redraws on non-pornographic content are not allowed because it can also cause severe issues to the site, like it being banned in multiple countries.

Not so long ago, some people were banned because they kept adding pussies to an erotica work...

If you saw such redraws (dick or pussy), please report them.

Other people in the comments have pretty much covered it already, but in a nutshell;

The page was not uncensored, it had pornographic material added to it by the scanlator.

MD has Pornographic content deliberately filtered out for guests (completely) and for users by default, and allowing pornographic content to exist in Erotica-tagged works has gotten us banned in multiple countries before.

Editing in pornographic content that does not exist in the raws either makes us serve pornographic content to guests (putting the website at risk in multiple countries) or requires to raise the content rating of the entire work (which would be inaccurate, and lock many people out of reading it, over the actions of one user) - neither of these are acceptable solutions.

 

[vipguy64]

Tsugumomo so frequently included very-explicit "but there's no penetration" sex (with the redraws showing female genitals, but never male)

Do you happen to remember where this occurred (around what chapters)?

Edit: Nevermind, all the "decensored" chapters are titled as lewd edits.

 

[vipguy64]

@arimareiji So a mod decided a (Fan Decensored) entry that was marked as pornographic would be okay for Tsugumomo. That was because the mangaka drew it uncensored himself on a livestream and the scan team edits that in for some chapters.

 

[arimareiji]

@arimareiji So a mod decided a (Fan Decensored) entry that was marked as pornographic would be okay for Tsugumomo. That was because the mangaka drew it uncensored himself on a livestream and the scan team edits that in for some chapters.

I'm a bit confused on why it would or wouldn't be pornographic because the artist didn't draw it… but it doesn't honestly matter to me, because it wasn't my desire to get the chapters deleted. I was just pointing out that it seemed really sketchy that when it's been fine all along for female genitals to be shown in the midst of sex, it's verboten to show male genitals not engaged in sex. But your explanation is plausible -- theoretically it might not be selective enforcement, it might be that somehow the mods never knew about it during the however-many-years Tsugomomo's been basically a hentai.

 

[Teasday]

the article came from a philosophy class and i go to a public college in california lmaoooo

I can see an argument for that definition and perhaps we're technically misusing it, but keep in mind that these are just fairly arbitrary names we give to these categories we have in mind based on their level of "explicitness", not the other way around. The category names are our best approximations, not necessarily perfect descriptions of the works contained within them.

But your explanation is plausible -- theoretically it might not be selective enforcement, it might be that somehow the mods never knew about it during the however-many-years Tsugomomo's been basically a hentai.

I dropped Tsugumomo years and years ago and I suspect few if anyone else on staff reads it. If rule violations are not getting reported, mods won't magically know about them.

 

[arimareiji]

I dropped Tsugumomo years and years ago and I suspect few if anyone else on staff reads it. If rule violations are not getting reported, mods won't magically know about them.

Which is why it's plausible. If no one on staff has thought about the subject since the events that forcefully brought it to staff's attention (getting banned in multiple countries, according to BraveDude8), and if not that many readers* know it's vehemently against the rules for that reason (and evidently the ones who do, don't care if it's what they want to see but they will report it if "OMG it's someone else's wang that traumatizes me")… in that not-unreasonable hypothetical, it is quite plausible.

* - I can't guess, to be honest. I only know I had no idea before seeing Roler's reply to me which quoted BraveDude8.

 

[Baronoflight]

One does not shows actual pee pee and vagoo(censored or otherwise), but shows boob and unashamedly can show active intercourse from start to finish, and the other just show everything from start to finish, censored or otherwise.