Differences between erotica and pornographic tags?

[yttpr]

Sorry I’m not too sure where to put this. I was curious about what the criteria were for the erotica and pornographic tags, as well as by extension the suggestive tag. I’ve found several series tagged erotica that I would personally qualify as at least sexually explicit.
Recently (literally half an hour ago) I read an article detailing the differences between erotica and pornographic as pornographic demonstrating sexual violence or otherwise being demeaning towards women, with erotica not doing that, which sparked my interest in the differences between the erotica and the pornographic tags on this site. As well as just reading a series tagged erotica that I’d consider pornography from simply a sexual explicitness standpoint. I was just wondering if there was like any specific criteria or if users or user loaders just tag the series themselves

 

[hoffingtonleigh]

According to the official MD Tag Defintions found at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DzIHLDBQChJK0vRf-1v9PDRi0adPKSZEk4PjPS3wIKg/ :

Erotica - Has a high amount of risqué and stimulating elements that contribute to the plot, including explicit nudity for sex scenes. The work is still focused on story, rather than pornography.

Pornographic - Having sexual intercourse as the main focus of the story with the purpose of sexually arousing the readers, typically published in porn magazines or stated as R-18 content.

This definition is what I've been using for correcting the edge cases of porn entries with demographic tags.

 

[arimareiji]

According to the official MD Tag Defintions found at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DzIHLDBQChJK0vRf-1v9PDRi0adPKSZEk4PjPS3wIKg/ :



This definition is what I've been using for correcting the edge cases of porn entries with demographic tags.

Oh my. 😰

Is there any way to retag a work that has explicitly gone into full-bore "routinely gratifying the readers with every form of sex there is" with the plot a distant second (while only making occasional wink-wink-nudges about the intercourse by posting "but this is actually thigh-humping, no penetration" next to images where their genitals are unquestionably juxtaposed)?

I would hope so, because if the only two choices available are "delete it" or "pretend it doesn't fit this definition" that's an awful dilemma for the mods.

 

[Remocracy]

what's the difference between lingerie and swimsuit

Spoiler

Unironically it's schrodinger's underwear. It's both at the same time until directly observed

 

[Remocracy]

Oh my. 😰

Is there any way to retag a work that has explicitly gone into full-bore "routinely gratifying the readers with every form of sex there is" with the plot a distant second (while only making occasional wink-wink-nudges about the intercourse by posting "but this is actually thigh-humping, no penetration" next to images where their genitals are unquestionably juxtaposed)?

I would hope so, because if the only two choices available are "delete it" or "pretend it doesn't fit this definition" that's an awful dilemma for the mods.

If something is "porn" while tagged erotica, mods can just promote it to porn (it's happened a bunch).

 

[arimareiji]

If something is "porn" while tagged erotica, mods can just promote it to porn (it's happened a bunch).

Thank you, that's good news.

Also, very-well-played on Schrodinger's underwear. 😂

 

[beep_repair]

Recently (literally half an hour ago) I read an article detailing the differences between erotica and pornographic as pornographic demonstrating sexual violence or otherwise being demeaning towards women

Well that's awfully wrong to affirm that, what you read was a bad article.

the article came from a philosophy class and i go to a public college in california lmaoooo

Ok, that's a point of view with the values of the author.

It can be right, but the erotica and pornographic in this context don't have the same meaning as MD's erotica and pornographic tags.

Also, I think the "philosopher" had never heard of gay/sole male pornography.

The article could be sensible; it's hard to say without reading it.

The most common definitions of "pornography" characterize it as representations of sexual behavior in images and/or writing that are intended to cause sexual arousal. Interestingly, they (the standard definitions) depend primarily on the intent of the creator, and not the precise nature of the behavior or its representation.

Such definitions are incomplete, in my view, because they pretend that the term is value-neutral, while in actual use, it often has extremely negative connotations. English speakers frequently use "pornography" not just to objectively categorize erotic material, but to pass moral judgement on it. Connotatively, it suggests that the material in question is distasteful, obscene, extreme, immoral, offensive or even harmful. When used this way, it can imply that so-called "pornography" and those associated with it are to be shunned.

Denotatively, "pornography" and "erotica" are pretty much identical. It's only in connotation that the latter becomes "tasteful art" and the former "perverted filth".

With all that in mind, we might ask which, if any, types of erotica are actually deserving of such a negative characterization and why. And if asked, it's not at all surprising that some (many) would reply that pornography becomes a problem when it reinforces/reifies existing systems of oppression. E.g. the objectification and sexualization of women and girls, the normalization of dehumanizing/degrading treatment of women, the belief that female worth resides primarily in appearance and sexuality, the predominance of the male gaze, contempt for sex work & workers, literal human trafficking, etc.

I'm not saying that the above is true, but you could certainly make a reasonable argument for it.