Dungeon ni Deai o Motomeru no wa Machigatte Iru Darou ka Gaiden - Sword Oratoria - Vol. 20 Ch. 83 - Bright

[MangaDex]

 

[BladeZX]

A very deep thought chapter.

 

[cryum]

That's a damn good chapter

 

[ciera]

Thanks

 

[ilcorra]

Danmachi is one of the very few good things that came out of this godforsaken jrpg boom, but I have to say it’s worth it. Easily my favorite fantasy saga right now.

 

[Kaarme]

You can tell Finn's worth as a leader by how he's not trying to raise himself up by pushing others down, even if those others happened to be his opponents temporarily. He's trying to raise himself by working harder and smarter, and if others do the same, he recognises it. He sticks to his own principles, but can also recognise other people's principles, even if he didn't agree with them. Loki familia is lucky to have him. But then again, since Ais is Bell's idol, it makes sense for Ais to have a solid (current) background like that, as opposed to Bell's own, highly volatile situation, which obviously suits the main character (the main character of the parent series).

 

[StormSen]

You can tell Finn's worth as a leader by how he's not trying to raise himself up by pushing others down, even if those others happened to be his opponents temporarily.

No, that's exactly what he's doing. He understand Bell's moral character, and that Bell would choose the moral position even if it cost him his status. Finn knew that Bell would only protect the Voivre if Bell had an extremely strong moral reason for doing it. Yet even knowing that, Finn would have killed the voivre if he was able to.

Bell is a real hero. Finn is a fake, self-manufacturered hero. That's what he's realizing now, and that's what is throwing him off.

True he verbally sticks up for Bell a bit here, but only does so because he's conflicted. If doing so had cost Finn his own status as hero, he would not have done it.

PS: Vs the LN, the manga is adding quite a bit about Finn in attempt to justify and explain him. E.g. there's nothing in the LN about his life growing up and what drove him to become a hero.

 

[Kaarme]

No, that's exactly what he's doing. He understand Bell's moral character, and that Bell would choose the moral position even if it cost him his status. Finn knew that Bell would only protect the Voivre if Bell had an extremely strong moral reason for doing it. Yet even knowing that, Finn would have killed the voivre if he was able to.

Bell is a real hero. Finn is a fake, self-manufacturered hero. That's what he's realizing now, and that's what is throwing him off.

True he verbally sticks up for Bell a bit here, but only does so because he's conflicted. If doing so had cost Finn his own status as hero, he would not have done it.

PS: Vs the LN, the manga is adding quite a bit about Finn in attempt to justify and explain him. E.g. there's nothing in the LN about his life growing up and what drove him to become a hero.

Wiene was an enemy, a monster, for Finn. I wouldn't say it's relevant to claim he would be raising himself up by pushing her down. It's merely what he's supposed to be doing, as far as he knows for the time being. So, I wasn't referring to Wiene.

 

[StormSen]

Wiene was an enemy, a monster, for Finn. I wouldn't say it's relevant to claim he would be raising himself up by pushing her down. It's merely what he's supposed to be doing, as far as he knows for the time being.

That's untrue. Finn knows that Bell would never protect a monster. But Bell is. Therefore it isn't a monster. Moreover, he directly witnessed that monsters were not just working together, but working actively to protect and care for each other. So he already knows directly that they're not monsters. But he's going to kill them anyway. Why? Because to do otherwise would tarnish Finn's reputation as a hero.

Finn's sole "principle" is to establish himself as hero, as shining beacon for prums. And he'll do so by hook or crook, killing innocents if he has to. That's what he's doing here in fighting the Xenos and he knows it. He's pretending to be righteous hero in public, but he's a hypocrite. Vs. Bell who's the real thing, who's willing to lose face and reputation to do what's right. You need to understand where Finn is at this point, in order to understand his character down the line.

 

[Kaarme]

That's untrue. Finn knows that Bell would never protect a monster. But Bell is. Therefore it isn't a monster. Moreover, he directly witnessed that monsters were not just working together, but working actively to protect and care for each other. So he already knows directly that they're not monsters. But he's going to kill them anyway. Why? Because to do otherwise would tarnish Finn's reputation as a hero.

Finn's sole "principle" is to establish himself as hero, as shining beacon for prums. And he'll do so by hook or crook, killing innocents if he has to. That's what he's doing here in fighting the Xenos and he knows it. He's pretending to be righteous hero in public, but he's a hypocrite. Vs. Bell who's the real thing, who's willing to lose face and reputation to do what's right. You need to understand where Finn is at this point, in order to understand his character down the line.

I understand his character, as well as his methods and goal. But the Xenos are still monsters born in the Dungeon. They are merely intelligent, self-aware monsters. So far there have been no such monsters you could work with, or even become friends with, before now. It's up to every individual, at this point since they are so new, to decide if they can really be trusted or not. Pretty much nobody but the Hestia family would blame an adventurer, from another family, if they still wanted to keep fighting all the monsters from the dungeon.