Fate/Grand Order - Daily Chaldea (Doujinshi) - Ch. 2345 - Ready To Fight

[MangaDex]

 

[Ryuga05]

.....pray to whatever higher being you consider god that it ain't gonna end with a battle against the one helping us in this absurdity.

 

[ApolloX1209]

Isn't counter force fighting on their side though?

 

[Malachite_Dragon]

.....pray to whatever higher being you consider god that it ain't gonna end with a battle against the one helping us in this absurdity.

Isn't counter force fighting on their side though?

Technically speaking the Counter Force is the one pitching a fit about us over-using Extra classes. (Please pay no attention that like 2/3 of the time, It's the one giving us said Extra class)

 

[ApolloX1209]

Technically speaking the Counter Force is the one pitching a fit about us over-using Extra classes. (Please pay no attention that like 2/3 of the time, It's the one giving us said Extra class)

Well true... I don't quite understand some concept of Extra classes...

Well, I get the Rulers are servants who oversees the holy grail war and doesn't aim for the holy grail. (I don't even think this one is an extra class)
Foreigners are Aliens who doesn't belong on Earth but possess a body of heroic spirits.
Moon Cancers are like what? Servants are living in Supercomputer and internet?
Avengers are just servants who has hate for humanity.

I don't get is Alter Egos and Pretenders though.

 

[Malachite_Dragon]

Well true... I don't quite understand some concept of Extra classes...

Well, I get the Rulers are servants who oversees the holy grail war and doesn't aim for the holy grail. (I don't even think this one is an extra class)
Foreigners are Aliens who doesn't belong on Earth but possess a body of heroic spirits.
Moon Cancers are like what? Servants are living in Supercomputer and internet?
Avengers are just servants who has hate for humanity.

I don't get is Alter Egos and Pretenders though.

Any class that isn't part of the core seven (Saber, Lancer, Archer, Assassin, Rider, Caster, Berserker) is an Extra Class.

Every Servant has a wish that they want to have granted by the Grail; that's part of what makes them eligible for Servanthood to begin with. Rulers are supposed to be those rare people, mostly capital-S Saints, who have no earthly desires and therefore no wish for the Grail, which would make them impartial arbiters for the Grail Wars. (Amakusa Shirou should very much not be a Ruler, but the ruling mage family of that setting broke the rules and summoned him in that container on purpose. The 'sanctity' of the class has been on kind of a downhill trend ever since.)The original idea was that only saints could be Rulers, much like the original idea for Assassins was that it would be made up entirely of the Hassans, but Nasu gets bored easily.

Foreigners are, as you said, "Cthulhu and pals are real and they want to play too"; they are intrusions into our universe by the Great Old Ones, whose chosen Servants have rebelled and instead of serving their patron GOO are now using their powers in service of Humanity instead of against it. Most of them. Some of them (Mysterious Heroine XX) are just from another universe, the Servantverse. Let's not talk about that one, it's a rather silly place.

Moon Cancer was supposed to be unique to BB because, yes, she's the sentient virus who took control of The Moon supercomputer in CCC. Summer Kiara forcibly stole it from her in that one summer event, and the rest haven't really had much of an explanation other than BB being involved in some vague fashion or another.

Avengers can be thought of as kind of a subclass of Berserker. They are founded on Vengeance- that is, furious anger and rage that does not fade even after death, ala Edmond Dantes and his unceasing rage against the world for what was done to him, and for separating him from Mercedes, or Lobo the Wolf King and his rage against humanity for killing his mate Blanca. They are on Humanity's side, but they are even more dangerous to their summoners than Berserkers are (with the exception of Avenger Nitocris, because she has the distinction of being the paradoxical 'Avenger who has already taken her revenge').

Alter Egos are kind of a variation of a Servant, 'another side' that would usually never be expressed, that gains independence from the 'main' Servant somehow or other. For example, if Artoria Alter were to manage to split from Artoria entirely and become her own thing, she would become an Alter Ego rather than also being a Saber herself. Essentially another story that's so extreme that they don't fit into any of the seven classic containers, and have to stand on their own.

Pretenders are a little harder to explain, because they're the newest class basically invented by CHALDEAS. They are those who became heroes while faking another identity; not in the sense of wearing a disguise, like Zorro, but while fully embodying that other person's identity, as is implied with Benkei's My Room lines implying that he is not the original Benkei but as far as the Throne is concerned, he is. If Person A dies with unfulfilled ambitions, but Person B impersonates them and fulfills those wishes to the end without exposing themselves, Person A retains all the fame. Person B, the 'wearer' of Person A, is left as the only person able to 'play the part' of Person A- therefore, a Pretender.
The reason they don't cause issues in a Grail War is that they show up disguised as one of the Core Seven, though they are not required to stay a single Class (

Spoiler: Big Lostbelt 6 Spoiler

Oberon Vortigern

changed classes like four times in Lostbelt 6 before being revealed as the first Pretender, though that also was not a Grail War so maybe that's an extenuating circumstance).

 

[ApolloX1209]

Any class that isn't part of the core seven (Saber, Lancer, Archer, Assassin, Rider, Caster, Berserker) is an Extra Class.

Every Servant has a wish that they want to have granted by the Grail; that's part of what makes them eligible for Servanthood to begin with. Rulers are supposed to be those rare people, mostly capital-S Saints, who have no earthly desires and therefore no wish for the Grail, which would make them impartial arbiters for the Grail Wars. (Amakusa Shirou should very much not be a Ruler, but the ruling mage family of that setting broke the rules and summoned him in that container on purpose. The 'sanctity' of the class has been on kind of a downhill trend ever since.)The original idea was that only saints could be Rulers, much like the original idea for Assassins was that it would be made up entirely of the Hassans, but Nasu gets bored easily.

Foreigners are, as you said, "Cthulhu and pals are real and they want to play too"; they are intrusions into our universe by the Great Old Ones, whose chosen Servants have rebelled and instead of serving their patron GOO are now using their powers in service of Humanity instead of against it. Most of them. Some of them (Mysterious Heroine XX) is just from another universe, the Servantverse. Let's not talk about that one, it's a rather silly place.

Moon Cancer was supposed to be unique to BB because, yes, she's the sentient virus who took control of The Moon supercomputer in CCC. Summer Kiara forcibly stole it from her in that one summer event, and the rest haven't really had much of an explanation other than BB being involved in some vague fashion or another.

Avengers can be thought of as kind of a subclass of Berserker. They are founded on Vengeance- that is, furious anger and rage that does not fade even after death, ala Edmond Dantes and his unceasing rage against the world for what was done to him, and for separating him from Mercedes, or Lobo the Wolf King and his rage against humanity for killing his mate Blanca. They are on Humanity's side, but they are even more dangerous to their summoners than Berserkers are.

Alter Egos are kind of a variation of a Servant, 'another side' that would usually never be expressed, that gains independence from the 'main' Servant somehow or other. For example, if Artoria Alter were to manage to split from Artoria entirely and become her own thing, she would become an Alter Ego rather than also being a Saber herself. Essentially another story that's so extreme that they don't fit into any of the seven classic containers, and have to stand on their own.

Pretenders are a little harder to explain, because they're the newest class basically invented by CHALDEAS. They are those who became heroes while faking another identity; not in the sense of wearing a disguise, like Zorro, but while fully embodying that other person's identity, as is implied with Benkei's My Room lines implying that he is not the original Benkei but as far as the Throne is concerned, he is. If Person A dies with unfulfilled ambitions, but Person B impersonates them and fulfills those wishes to the end without exposing themselves, Person A retains all the fame. Person B, the 'wearer' of Person A, is left as the only person able to 'play the part' of Person A- therefore, a Pretender.

Man, explaining Nasuverse is tiring as hell... Thanks for the effort on explaining it to me DX

 

[Malachite_Dragon]

I've been playing FGO for years now, I've done every event and I'm current on the story; I just enjoy it, and I've been a Fate nerd even before it anyway. I enjoy talking about it
As an aside, Voyager is his own unique class in the setting he's from, Voyager of the Voyager class, but they changed him to Foreigner for the sake of gameplay mechanics because there's no point in making a whole new class just for one single Servant.