Garan no Hime - Vol. 2 Ch. 6 - A Chance Meeting

[MangaDex]

 

[Lustrist]

i guess she really is the princess of cathedral

 

[Alexmanpersonguy]

Great series! Thanks for the translation

 

[Saon]

Phew, bit happy with how the sister's appearance was handled. After where the previous chapter left us at, I was worried it'd follow the typical trope of making her an antagonist of the series. (it is not too late still for that to happen, but fingers crossed)

Thank you for translations!

 

[Anonymous0070]

it seems like a cross between Nier Automata and Horizon Zero Dawn.
Isana = Aloy
Hime = 2B

 

[Shtoops]

I really hope this manga gets a good few volumes, because there's definitely a story to tell her that I'm worried about losing. And thanks for the TL!

 

[Krune]

thank you for the chapter, and it looks like that upon being exposed to yuri its developed some form of AI.

 

[SomeGuy10002]

It's one plot aneurysm after another

 

[TestAddress]

Horni = 100

it seems like a cross between Nier Automata and Horizon Zero Dawn.
Isana = Aloy
Hime = 2B

 

[shemper]

Thank you for your work!

 

[llde]

In this chapter Frena seems a lot different then in the chapter 1 flashback. Now it's true that years passed by, but current Frena give me quite the bad vibes. Not villainy vibes, but at least like a cold jerk.
The situation wouldn't allow a proper talk, however Frena still took the time to make a monologue about how she have a special power, a duty, but still it's not the right time. Then told her to return to the village and to Hime to protect her. Doesn't she know that the village elder and the entire temple want Hime destroyed? Does she want to make Isana return to the cult? The same cult that tried to gaslight her to think Frena was dead? Isana probably have zero interest in returning to the village, Frena words do a very poor job to try to convince her, with all the withhold information. I do hope that Frena behaviour would make sense in the future, and will not be reduced to a "to protect her" as withholding important information about someone to the one themselves will never protect them, unless being exposed to the info his a critical risk by itself (similar to the Eyeball arc of Roll Over and Die Webnovel (not sure if manga or LN will do the same) or the Mordraud Saga were most people cannot understand the concept of "limit of mankind" and just being near someone who is speaking of it will make people mad (Good saga, I'm not sure if an English version was ever published, original version is in Italian, author is Fabio Scalini )). I'm for now unconvinced that the withhold of info was necessary, but will leave the judgment open.


Considering everything I find strange that there wasn't more emotional words in the dialogue, a "I missed you so much" "I missed you too" would make the resulting dialogue way more cold then how it was presented.

EDIT: withhold not withdrawn. Fixing

 

[KitsuKyouno]

Hime doesn't look like Isana sisters
But she probaly into older sister

 

[Anonymous0070]

I'm for now unconvinced that the withdrawn of info was necessary

This is actually a very common trope.
Someone mumbles something vague and unhelpful and then promptly disappears, never to be seen again until the big reveal at the very end.
Or, on the flip side, something that should be said isn't said until the big reveal at the very end.

A great example of this for me was Space Battleship Yamato.
Brother A works with Captain.
Brother A blows himself up/ sacrifices himself so that Captain and crew can escape safe and sound.
Brother B shows up and accuses Captain of killing Brother A.
Now the Captain could explain to Brother B what happened, but he doesn't. The story progresses all the way to the end, and Captain is dying, whatever, buying time for Brother B and team to escape, and then he drops the Big Reveal, the Brother A did the same thing.

All of that could easily have been resolved with a simple, "Your brother sacrificed himself to save the ship and myself. I didn't kill him; he died a hero." but it's never said until literally the last ten minutes when they have to wrap up all the little loose ends.

It's a horrible trope; I can't stand it.

 

[llde]

@Anonymous0070 me neither in most cases. I do recognize that in some cases like the already cited Roll over and Mordraud can be done well (as told in Mordraud just talking about the "limit of mankind" can trigger madness to people, it make sense you don't want to tell about it to people even close ones, the other small info no told are related to the brothers, but that why when they have a chance to talk they already hate each other and are on different side of a nation wide conflict)

In this case even considering that there wasn't need to explicit all informations. The answer of a question like "when will be time to use my power" could also be a "don't know, time will tell" considering that the character are not omniknowledgable. But a quite bit of information, and at least a "what did you do all these years" part, would be an improvement.

 

[shittycoolusername69]

This chapter felt a bit rushed too, like the emotional bits didn't have time to really land.

In this chapter Frena seems a lot different then in the chapter 1 flashback. Now it's true that years passed by, but current Frena give me quite the bad vibes. Not villainy vibes, but at least like a cold jerk.
The situation wouldn't allow a proper talk, however Frena still took the time to make a monologue about how she have a special power, a duty, but still it's not the right time. Then told her to return to the village and to hime to protect her. Doesn't she know that the village elder and the entire temple want Hime destroyed? Does she want to make ISana return to the cult? The same cult that tried to gaslight her to think Frena was dead? Isana probably have zero interest in returning to the village, Frena words do a very poor job to try to convince her, with all the withdrawn informations. I do hope that Frena behaviour would make sense in the future, and will not be reduced to a "to protect her" as withdrawning important information about someone to the one themselves wil never protect them, unless being exposed to the info his a critical risk by itself (similar to the Eyeball arc of Roll OVer and Die Webnovel (not sure if manga or LN will do the same) or the Mordraud Saga were most people cannot understand the concept of "limit of mankind" and just being near someone who is speaking of it will make people mad (Good saga, I'm not sure if an english version was ever published, original version is in italian, author is Fabio Scalini )). I'm for now unconvinced that the withdrawn of info was necessary, but will leave the judgment open.


Considering everything I find strange that there wasn't more emotional words in the dialogue, a "I missed you so much" "I missed you too" would make the resulting dialogue way more cold then how it was presented.

Just a quick tip: I think you meant to use the verb withhold instead of withdraw

 

[llde]

@shittycoolusername69
you are completly right. I meant withhold. Not sure where my mind were.

 

[Neomone]

This is actually a very common trope.
Someone mumbles something vague and unhelpful and then promptly disappears, never to be seen again until the big reveal at the very end.
Or, on the flip side, something that should be said isn't said until the big reveal at the very end.

A great example of this for me was Space Battleship Yamato.
Brother A works with Captain.
Brother A blows himself up/ sacrifices himself so that Captain and crew can escape safe and sound.
Brother B shows up and accuses Captain of killing Brother A.
Now the Captain could explain to Brother B what happened, but he doesn't. The story progresses all the way to the end, and Captain is dying, whatever, buying time for Brother B and team to escape, and then he drops the Big Reveal, the Brother A did the same thing.

All of that could easily have been resolved with a simple, "Your brother sacrificed himself to save the ship and myself. I didn't kill him; he died a hero." but it's never said until literally the last ten minutes when they have to wrap up all the little loose ends.

It's a horrible trope; I can't stand it.

Kinda. Characters withholding information that they have no reason to hide (or worse, compelling reasons to share) is garbage and media that does it needs to stop. It's an idiot plot, where the tension and drama and action only exist because the characters are too dumb to do anything that is in the general ballpark of a rational decision. It's lazy storywriting.

But a character can have compelling reasons for not sharing information, and that's fine. We don't know what it is that Frena is hiding yet, so it's pretty hard to tell whether she's hiding information that she should be sharing or whether she actually has reasonable motivations for acting both overprotectively and coldly.

Knowing what's going on could put Isana in more danger, or Frena could reasonably believe that to be the case. Frena may be setting up to use Isana for her own ends, and telling her what's going on could make that harder. There may have been some deal involving Isana and her special powers struck in the background and Frena doesn't want Isana accidentally screwing it up. We have barely enough information to make some tantalising guesses, but until we get more engagement with Frena it's going to be hard to know.

We also don't know why Teire is hiding information (although there's some big hints thrown with how the city treats her), or why the village elder in the first chapter seemed to know more than she was telling. The librarians clearly know a lot, but there's little reason for them to be sharing everything they know. If the Monotsuki are intelligent and can communicate, it's not entirely clear why they wouldn't just talk with humanity and figure out a deal instead of essentially being at war with them. Or maybe they did, and the "leaders" of humanity have decided to maintain the facade of them as mindless monsters.

There's still a lot of mystery in the story, and each chapter is raising as many new questions as it's answering at the moment. That's fine, and we'll be able to judge whether or not it was a good storytelling choice once we find out more of the actual answers. So far the characters have been pretty good at seeming to act sensibly in their own interests, so I'm willing to wait and see.

 

[llde]

But a character can have compelling reasons for not sharing information, and that's fine. We don't know what it is that Frena is hiding yet, so it's pretty hard to tell whether she's hiding information that she should be sharing or whether she actually has reasonable motivations for acting both overprotectively and coldly.

I can agree but I'm still unconvinced. While I will not expect for Frena to immediately explain why she is collaborating with "mankind enemy", I would expect that by saying it's not the time to use your powers yet, without explaining what the power entail (as we don't know if her power is limited to what's shown here), considering that's a power she doesn't seem to have much control, seems counterproductive.

Knowing what's going on could put Isana in more danger

The only way this could be true is if the monotsuki don't want Isana to know. But at this time I would suspect they would want to keep Isana unaware at all of her powers, which already failed.

Frena may be setting up to use Isana for her own ends, and telling her what's going on could make that harder. There may have been some deal involving Isana and her special powers struck in the background and Frena doesn't want Isana accidentally screwing it up. We have barely enough information to make some tantalising guesses, but until we get more engagement with Frena it's going to be hard to know

Most of these would make Frena into villain side imho. The "deal" theory may have some truth and at this point and I'm considering whatever Frena is acting in this way to make Isana continue following her, but can't say it explicitly (maybe the deal compel her not). Frena may not have expected Isana to follow her traces, but after this encounter she should know ISana would not bakc off easily.

We also don't know why Teire is hiding information

This is imho more straightforward. Teire know that either her own merchant group (or at least member within) or other groups wanted to steal the protective stone, it's unclear whetever she did agree or she was threatened into complying (and she doesn't seem to have enough attachment to the city to risks), she did care about Isana and Hime enough to warn them but without giving real info, as she probably though she could have gone to stop them (exposing Teire as the leak in the process)

why the village elder in the first chapter seemed to know more than she was telling. The librarians clearly know a lot, but there's little reason for them to be sharing everything they know

At least part of the librarians are shown to want to make humanity start advancing again, it's unclear whetever there are factions in the library and of there is a sort of faction war. They are probably preparing agains tthe temple (of which the elder is part), and the temple seems operating on standard cult like behaviour (albeit we don't know wethever the upper echelons actually believe the doctrine or are just using it for the masses)

 

[TwisterJR]

Man, I will ever get tired of saying I love that design with four forearms. General Grievous-like kind of deal.

 

[cryum]

That credits page was thirsty