GraPara! - Ch. 128 - Sakura-chan... (Censored)

[pablomulete]

No hablo español, así que la traducción es muy aproximada. Pero sí, no niego que lo que está haciendo sea una tontería, pero es obvio que no hay consentimiento. Hasta ahora parece que solo quería que la consolaran por la noche, no tener relaciones sexuales, aunque debería haber llamado a otra amiga.
Quiero decir, si una mujer con la que te acuestas no para de decirte que esperes, que pares, que no lo hagas, que llames tu nombre para que te detengas, y que intente empujarte el pecho. No creo que a un tribunal ni a nadie le importe, eso es claramente violación. Que haya llegado al orgasmo o no, o que haya dejado de resistirse, es bastante irrelevante, incluso si tiene sexo en el siguiente capítulo... sigue siendo violación. La resistencia de la persona no es un buen modelo para basarse en absoluto, ya que podría tener condiciones extrañas como la estupidez de Sakura o su alta lujuria/sensibilidad que menciona mucho en el manga.
Esto viene de un lector de manga NTR pervertido; cualquier cosa que no sea un sí entusiasta no es consentimiento.

Gracias, yo tampoco hablo inglés, pero Google es bastante útil para esto. Estoy de acuerdo en que él está abusando de Sakura, y su resistencia no cambia el hecho de que es una violación, pero es como llevar todas tus joyas a un barrio lleno de ladrones y sorprenderte cuando te roban. ¿Por qué está ella en ese apartamento? ¿Es posible que también estuviera buscando consuelo allí? En cualquier caso, le será difícil explicarle a Shinobu por qué terminó en esa situación y luego quejarse del beso.

 

[BegoneThoth]

I can't speak spanish so very rough translation. But yeah I'm not denying what she's doing is stupid but it's very obviously not consent. So far it seems she just wanted to be comforted for the night not the whole sex thing even if she shoulda just called another friend.
I mean if a woman your sleeping with keeps saying wait, stop, don't, your name to stop you, and tried pushing your chest. I don't really think court or anyone cares that's pretty obviously rape. Whether she came or not or 'stopped resisting' is pretty irrelevant, even if she has sex next chapter... it's still rape. How much the person resists is not a very good model to base it on at all as they could have weird conditions like sakura stupidity or her high lust/sensitivity she mentions a lot in the manga.
This is coming from a degen ntr manga reader anything other than an enthusiastic yes is not consent.

On the other hand she went there, took off her clothes, and went and laid down on the bed. So no, it isn't "pretty obviously rape". Violence, including intimidation, often is a key point that comes up at trials. And a person's actions do outweigh their statements. An example of a series that does what you're suggesting is

Spoiler: name

Chisa x Pon.

This series is "pretty obviously" not doing that.
🤓

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On a tangent: Is there a way to post a specific page? Like say, the final page of a chapter.

 

[2domi2]

On the other hand she went there, took off her clothes, and went and laid down on the bed. So no, it isn't "pretty obviously rape". Violence, including intimidation, often is a key point that comes up at trials. And a person's actions do outweigh their statements. An example of a series that does what you're suggesting is

Spoiler: name

Chisa x Pon.

This series is "pretty obviously" not doing that.
🤓

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On a tangent: Is there a way to post a specific page? Like say, the final page of a chapter.

Funny enough I was referring to Chisa x Pon in my original comment. She didn't resist at all there and disassociated in that case. And unless you have the directors cut we don't see her taking her clothes off or getting in bed? Who's to say he didn't strip her like he already was doing? Or put her in bed?
Even if she herself stripped and got in bed... it's still rape?? As you said actions outweigh statements and their was no consent given. Just because they eventually give vague consent like moans or submitting that definitely doesn't make it not rape.
Am I crazy here even as a degen that'd be a nuts take,
"judge she laid in bed and took off her clothes eventually! I mean it only took a bit of forcing her but you gotta understand, her saying stop was just her liking it actually!"
Sounds insane.
Obviously sakura is stupid here and way too weak willed. That still changes nothing even if they bang... still rape and coercion at least..

 

[fvebuucx]

You gotta be fucking lying. I think if this was live action it would be worse

https://abc-frontier.co.jp/en-program/drama/en-program-6808-2025

 

[Joe17mama]

You know what? Good.

Sakura and the MC need to break up, I even hope MC walks in on them, so if he even gets a slither of hope in getting back with her? He remembers that moment. This woman is very stupid and easily manipulated. My disdain for her began when she went to the director for help with her ‘sex appeal’ like she doesn’t have any female friends to help her with that? That moment pissed me off.

The worst thing is Ikeman is an obvious fuckboy forcing the ‘nice guy’ gimmick, he only see’s her as another conquest. He will reap his rewards and once bored? Off to the next best thing. Sakura will be thrown to the can in the process. He is going to fuck over Sakura. But, this is nothing new. Sakura is a fly that chooses to fly into fire. They will have the longevity of milk. After that, I can see Sakura spiralling once she learns about MC and Femi’s successful career and love life.

There is so much foreshadowing that Sakura is going to move to JAV after she leaves MC and moves company like the couple who stayed in the house. The break up with fuckboy will affect her along with MC’s new found success. Feelings will get involved with business and her numbers will tank. Her manager of the new company will see this and put her onto a suspicious gig as she isn’t getting any honest work. She will participate ofc to try resurrect her numbers, they will take advantage of her and it will go down hill from
here. She will either embrace being an AV actress or lose herself.

This feels like a bad ending less for the MC if he sticks with Femi but more for Sakura. Ofc this is all cope and hypotheticals, there is a chance that Sakura kicks Ikeman in the balls as they’re about to get it on or someone walks in on them, ruining the mood and Sakura walks out, the thing I also hate is that once the dust has set, there is a chance MC will likely still take her back irregardless of whether he was cucked or not, if he does get cucked and STILL takes her back, imma drop this shit. If I want to see NTR I’ll go on nHentai and read Otome Dori, I came for a Romcom. But future doesn’t look bright for Sakura at all, especially with her lack of intelligence.

I say MC cuts his loss and puts his all on Femi. She’s gullible too, but she is in a way less risky line of work compared to Sakura and is actually more in line of becoming a film actress instead of Sakura. Also she works constantly under him with his hopes of becoming a director. They’re more of a dynamic duo.

One thing I don't understand is why you think you're in the right place if you think that you're here for a romcom without any NTR/NTR elements.

This is that Katsura Airi guy, who wrote the Entanglement doujin, and he advertised and always presented this series as a romcom with ntr elements. You lose any right to disappointment about NTR when this whole series has been about NTR from the getgo, and yet you keep looking for a pure romcom.

No one will blame you my G, if you just look for another series. This is an NTR series. The FMC and other gf's of other characters get groped, fingered, kissed etc all over their body, and sometimes even outright fucked and DP'd (like that poor girl who had a crush on MC on that love island arc but was rejected by him and then was coerced into fucking to ease her pain then got DP'd in front of MC while hiding it from him, and honestly that NTR by baldy and that criminal fuckboy hit me harder than FMC with director but I digress).

 

[SupBroZX]

The Audacity of this Bitch!! She forgot that she went for a sex lesson where she kissed, and blow jobbed a man and nearly got threesomed. And now she is now going for a revenge sex without talking it out.

 

[BegoneThoth]

Funny enough I was referring to Chisa x Pon in my original comment. She didn't resist at all there and disassociated in that case. And unless you have the directors cut we don't see her taking her clothes off or getting in bed? Who's to say he didn't strip her like he already was doing? Or put her in bed?
Even if she herself stripped and got in bed... it's still rape?? As you said actions outweigh statements and their was no consent given. Just because they eventually give vague consent like moans or submitting that definitely doesn't make it not rape.
Am I crazy here even as a degen that'd be a nuts take,
"judge she laid in bed and took off her clothes eventually! I mean it only took a bit of forcing her but you gotta understand, her saying stop was just her liking it actually!"
Sounds insane.
Obviously sakura is stupid here and way too weak willed. That still changes nothing even if they bang... still rape and coercion at least..

The defense wouldn't be addressing the judge but a jury. She said "stop" then proceeded to take her clothes off and get on the bed. She would also have to explain why she went there to begin with. I can't be bothered to do more than a quick reference grab. Miranda rights are another example. 🤓

I'll also pose a rhetorical question: Does the author seem to be trying to portray a rape? I think the answer is pretty clear. 🥱

 

[2domi2]

The defense wouldn't be addressing the judge but a jury. She said "stop" then proceeded to take her clothes off and get on the bed. She would also have to explain why she went there to begin with. I can't be bothered to do more than a quick reference grab. Miranda rights are another example. 🤓

I'll also pose a rhetorical question: Does the author seem to be trying to portray a rape? I think the answer is pretty clear. 🥱

Unc didn't read anything I said...🐄 This gotta be low tier rage bait👹. You got it sonion💀 you win, chats impressed.

 

[hugorito420]

Funny enough I was referring to Chisa x Pon in my original comment. She didn't resist at all there and disassociated in that case. And unless you have the directors cut we don't see her taking her clothes off or getting in bed? Who's to say he didn't strip her like he already was doing? Or put her in bed?
Even if she herself stripped and got in bed... it's still rape?? As you said actions outweigh statements and their was no consent given. Just because they eventually give vague consent like moans or submitting that definitely doesn't make it not rape.
Am I crazy here even as a degen that'd be a nuts take,
"judge she laid in bed and took off her clothes eventually! I mean it only took a bit of forcing her but you gotta understand, her saying stop was just her liking it actually!"
Sounds insane.
Obviously sakura is stupid here and way too weak willed. That still changes nothing even if they bang... still rape and coercion at least..

She literraly tried to resist(in a very poor way),the guy probably took her cloths off or forced her to take her cloths off.

This "good guy" is taking advantage of her heartbreak just to have sex with her.

The face that guy made in end of the chapter made this even more implicit that something bad will hapen(i think the guy is only pretending too be good and is very experience with a woman).

His literally taking advantage of her heartbreak just to have sex with her.If she rejects him before going too deep,he is probably gonna be angry and force her to do this.

This manga literally is a guilty circle vibe diguised as romcom ntr.

 

[hugorito420]

Unc didn't read anything I said...🐄 This gotta be low tier rage bait👹. You got it sonion💀 you win, chats impressed.

I understand you,literature understanding is kinda lacking in some people

 

[BegoneThoth]

I'll put this as a comment and not a reply so as not to indulge bait.

As a matter of comparison, In the aforementioned series:
The title of the chapter is
In order to Escape, to Protect Myself, I Did as He Said
In the chapter the man drugs her, ties her to the bed in a soundproof room, takes off her underwear, and photographs her. He then proceeds to assault her while she's crying and wailing to stop. We get her inner monologue showing that she's trying to protect herself and not seeking pleasure. This is all shown in a clearly negative way by the artist. The girl in question is a virgin, and her virginity is something important to her. I.e. She's not a gravure model who gets into these types of situations regularly. But hey, if you ignore those tiny details these scenes are comparable.
Wait, why stop there? We can infer that the writer off-screened the man pulling out a gun and threatening to skin her alive if she didn't do some naked burpees and then lay on the bed.


I'll finish by asking the same rhetorical question: Does it seem like the author's intent is that this is a rape scene? 😴

 

[2domi2]

I'll put this as a comment and not a reply so as not to indulge bait.

As a matter of comparison, In the aforementioned series:
The title of the chapter is
In order to Escape, to Protect Myself, I Did as He Said
In the chapter the man drugs her, ties her to the bed in a soundproof room, takes off her underwear, and photographs her. He then proceeds to assault her while she's crying and wailing to stop. We get her inner monologue showing that she's trying to protect herself and not seeking pleasure. This is all shown in a clearly negative way by the artist. The girl in question is a virgin, and her virginity is something important to her. I.e. She's not a gravure model who gets into these types of situations regularly. But hey, if you ignore those tiny details these scenes are comparable.
Wait, why stop there? We can infer that the writer off-screened the man pulling out a gun and threatening to skin her alive if she didn't do some naked burpees and then lay on the bed.


I'll finish by asking the same rhetorical question: Does it seem like the author's intent is that this is a rape scene? 😴

This is more thought out so I'll actually reply this time. Brother, you don't have to be drugged to be raped. You don't even have to physically resist for it to be rape, if you say no or don't give consent then it's rape full stop. Sakura didn't give consent therefore it's rape. Also back to chisa x pon: the main girl does the same thing. The mc and her have a fight, she goes on a date with playboy, playboy drugs her and takes her home, she resists but gives in quickly. This is still clearly rape right?

Same for Sakura. Her and Mc fight, goes to Playboy house(with or without romantic intentions but seemingly not sexual), Playboy kisses her-> she resists with hand on his chest and verbally, playboy strips her shirt and skirt -> she resists verbally, Playboy keeps going. We see her on bed we don't know if she stripped herself or was placed in bed, it's off screen so you can't assume either.
There's no way to look at these two situations any different, even if someone shows interest in you like they two playboys in these mangas, that's not consent to do anything you want.
I don't really care what the authors intent is that doesn't change what this is. If the author didn't want it to seem rapy they'd have made sakura enjoy it more obviously as well.

 

[pablomulete]

Creo que ella va a rechazar al chico "bueno" (este tipo probablemente sea un canalla con mucha experiencia) y él se va a enfadar e intentará forzarla. De alguna manera, el protagonista los encuentra y la salva (lo que creo que sería ridículo y haría que el protagonista se viera sucio).

El problema es que el novio no sabe dónde vive el actor. ¿Podría ser Fumi-chan quien aparezca en su casa? ¿O la otra actriz rubia?
Otro detalle que ha pasado desapercibido, pero que es muy importante, es que en la última escena aparece en la cama vistiendo solo ropa interior, mientras que esta se encontraba en el suelo del salón. ¿La obligó el actor a ir al dormitorio? ¿O fue por voluntad propia?

 

[hugorito420]

El problema es que el novio no sabe dónde vive el actor. ¿Podría ser Fumi-chan quien aparezca en su casa? ¿O la otra actriz rubia?
Otro detalle que ha pasado desapercibido, pero que es muy importante, es que en la última escena aparece en la cama vistiendo solo ropa interior, mientras que esta se encontraba en el suelo del salón. ¿La obligó el actor a ir al dormitorio? ¿O fue por voluntad propia?

I think she just stops to resist because she could not stop him.that would be a wrong impression from me that she is kinda scared of him(i think that because of the face that the guy made in the last panel,she is just using her underwear and have a little theory he really dose not love her like he said ),i think that possible that she reject him in the last second and the guy forces her do it.(i have the teory that this guy is experience with woman and take advantage of her heartbreak to sex with her).

About the mc find her,i think can run away from his house and she meets the mc by accident or someone who known the mc,fmc or the guy could somehow interupt them.(this manga doesn't have any logical sense,so think that is possible the author makes a miraculous way to mc find her).

 

[box2024]

Man a lot of you guys are in denial about what will happen next chapter the author has been teasing this forever now it's not rape it's been shown that she is an easy girl who gets a thrill from it the author set up ntr to happen next chapter they have a history of it just turn off your brain and have fun complaining about it.

 

[hugorito420]

Man a lot of you guys are in denial about what will happen next chapter the author has been teasing this forever now it's not rape it's been shown that she is an easy girl who gets a thrill from it the author set up ntr to happen next chapter they have a history of it just turn off your brain and have fun complaining about it.

The ntr can happen,we are not questioning that but this not a doujinshi or a hentai that makes the ntr be so heavy.(there is a big chance even if he ntr happens they still get together in the end because of the stupid romcom ntr concept).

The point is that many things showed on the chapter pointed to the possibilty from being a rape situation(nothing new in this story)from the guys part even the face he made in the end of the chapter shows that(his face looked really alike the guys from the old scenarios of ntr in this story).And it has the possibilty of that she rejects him before they go too deep(she literally said him to wait,called his name and tried to resist even if it was made in very poor way) and he forces her right way.

I mean the ntr happended on the director thing(i don't use the stupid ntr logic that people use to not count that thing as ntr) and she literally made the stupid overwriting sex thing because of that(she was thinking about the director during the act with the mc).

And we had an amout of ntr during the story so is not like something new in the story.

 

[box2024]

The ntr can happen,we are not questioning that but this not a doujinshi or a hentai that makes the ntr be so heavy.(there is a big chance even if he ntr happens they still get together in the end because of the stupid romcom ntr concept).

The point is that many things showed on the chapter pointed to the possibilty from being a rape situation(nothing new in this story)from the guys part even the face he made in the end of the chapter shows that(his face looked really alike the guys from the old scenarios of ntr in this story).And it has the possibilty of that she rejects him before they go too deep(she literally said him to wait,called his name and tried to resist even if it was made in very poor way) and he forces her right way.

I mean the ntr happended on the director thing(i don't use the stupid ntr logic that people use to not count that thing as ntr) and she literally made the stupid overwriting sex thing because of that(she was thinking about the director during the act with the mc).

And we had an amout of ntr during the story so is not like something new in the story.

Her no is no I'm embarrassed to be seen naked her covering up on the bed is the same it is a staple for every Japanese porno out there. The author has basically written a note about what happens next chapter the whole thing will end in 3or4 chapters unless the author decides to prolong the mc getting with glasses girl. Or the childhood friend but their normally doomed anyways.

 

[hugorito420]

Her no is no I'm embarrassed to be seen naked her covering up on the bed is the same it is a staple for every Japanese porno out there. The author has basically written a note about what happens next chapter the whole thing will end in 3or4 chapters unless the author decides to prolong the mc getting with glasses girl. Or the childhood friend but their normally doomed anyways.

That can happen but i think the story not so close from the end because probably the mc and the fmc will probably have a talk about the kiss from glasses girl(probably he explaning that was a misunderstanding) and we have the mc movie and fmc changing agency and probably we are going to see more of glasses girl(the author had been building her relationship with the mc) story because of their split up of the main couple(then they get back together).I think thats not gonna end bad for either of them.Even if they dosen't end together they can move on with their lives(karimizakari ending was like that in the manga).

I mean she made the same kind of pose with the director and the text after the chapter really look like when the director thing started.It can look like a doomed relantionship but i think they can get back together in the end because of this stupid romcom ntr concept she is trying to do with this manga.(looks like idols manga version of guilty circle)

This manga is kinda popular so i think the author is gonna milk this story as much as she can even that manga got a live action series.

You can say we are in denial but we're giving our opinions what is about to happen,anything is possible right here.(is just manga and i think is good to share you thoughts about what happens next).

 

[box2024]

Ntr and romcon are two things that don't go together but that's a different convo. Suffice to say the set up here is an ntr set up I don't see them staying together it's seems to be one of those the love interests get together only to sperate suddenly at the end scenario's that you see often in manga that's why film Chad and glasses girl were brought into the story the ntr part is always comes to fruition in the end of those stories that have a ntr theme.

 

[hugorito420]

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Ntr and romcon are two things that don't go together but that's a different convo. Suffice to say the set up here is an ntr set up I don't see them staying together it's seems to be one of those the love interests get together only to sperate suddenly at the end scenario's that you see often in manga that's why film Chad and glasses girl were brought into the story the ntr part is always comes to fruition in the end of those stories that have a ntr theme.

I mean the bittersweet ending can happen but we can have to wait to see what the author plans for the guy and glasses girl.

I talking about they can get back together because probably they gonna talk about the misunderstand that caused the possible ntr and the fmc probably gonna regret about it(i scared that she can make the overwritng sex thing again).Or in the next chapter we can have a reveal that the guy is a scumbag(i think that is possible).

We have the mc movie(and the development of the glasses girl and mc) and the fmc changing to another agency(her coworkers are pressing her to stop to work with the mc and the relation with the guy).

We have some mangas with ntr happended that the couple still ended up together.

i don't know how this gonna in the end and i won't know for while cause don't wanna get ragebaited by this stupid manga anymore😅 and problaby i won't see the follow chapters coming.(after some long time i probably gonna see it)