GraPara! - Ch. 131 - Would You Break Up with Her? (Censored)

[Xain]

It might be a controversial take but I dont consider this full rape tbh, maybe the lowest end of the spectrum because lets be honest, rape definitely needs a lot of hesitation and it usually does in normal ntr (the struggle from the fmc is the main selling point for readers) and we barely see any hesitation. It is also one of the reasons why even people on the netorare subreddit are calling it cheating instead of rape. IRL, of course this can be considered rape, but if AIri wanted it to be rape, she would've done much more to please the nte readers and atleast made Sakura struggle a bit like her trying to get away or something.

And now if we do consider it rape, then it paints an even worse look for Sakura if she decides to stay with the fuckboi and have sex everyday even after she was raped by him.

 

[Xain]

After running through the last 10 pages of this thread, i can see only 1 way this pleases all of us...


THREESOME!

And the fuckboi gets hit by truck-kun and reincarnates into a world of orcs as the only girl and they some fun with him (now her )

 

[Darklight99]

I just came back and replied to many comments while people are not here anymore so it may look like spams. Sorry for that.

Actually, I didn't look for the rape law in Japan but I ask Gemini what I should do if I was Shinobu. Then the AI gave me solutions as well as referred to the current law in Japan. So, I searched more and more and discovered the dark side of Japan. I'm glad they changed the law about rape in 2023.

Sorry for making you disappoint but I would like to confirm @Alsatia @diphuc1 @RaiKaiser etc. are correct that Sukura was raped and it's also legal. Sakura needs help if the author did not intend to turn her into a villian as we think. The fucboy will be punished if someone report the police. His career will be ruined.

This is also show how bad Airi Katsura sensei in working because she wrote the rape scene without knowledge of the law. Not sure what will happen if Grapara is read by those who know the rape law in Japan. She and her editor will be in trouble.

Please ask AI like Gemini or ChatGPT as I did and you'll see. I was a fool before and I was angry at Sakura too but the AI changed my mind and helped me with knowledge. Thanks to AI.

Seriously? Asking AI? What even is going on here? Are you all children? You shouldn't be reading manga made for 18+ you know.

You still need to tell us what exactly was rape when it was among adults who were in control of their minds consensually having sex. What is Sakura going to say? Yeah I knew he wanted to fuck me, I went to his room and started making out with him and he started stripping me, I reciprocated and then we fucked all night, I moved in with him immediately afterwards and work with him and have been in a relationship with him for months now. But I want you to apply rape charges against him?

What are you smoking man? She wasn't raped, she barely even needed persuasion.

 

[Alsatia]

This is by far the best comment. Especially the what we know and what we don't know part is so important

This is exactly what I meant when I was saying that the context to these situations is incredibly important. We know what's going on but to certain characters they only know things to a certain extent!

I do find it interesting though that both times we see them have sex, Sakura is just flat on her back while Yuma does his thing. Kinda odd if you ask me since they supposedly have been hooking up for months now.

Tbf something about this timeskip doesn’t feel right to me in general. It’s supposed to be a few months but some things just make me feel like it’s only been a few weeks.

And this is also reiterating my point and a detail about Sakura that may or may not be important.

When it comes to sexual acts, she's only ever initiated them with Shinobu. With everyone else they were the ones that pushed/forced it into her in the scenarios.

Her lying on her back and doing nothing could be a sign on how things are going for her. We just don't know when it comes to her end.

Sorry for making you disappoint but I would like to confirm @Alsatia @diphuc1 @RaiKaiser etc. are correct that Sukura was raped and it's also legal. Sakura needs help if the author did not intend to turn her into a villian as we think. The fucboy will be punished if someone report the police. His career will be ruined.

Sadly as much as we would like this to happen. I don't think Sakura will report it. I don't think there's going to be any legal action done about this. Shinobu, as far as he knows, believes this to be a consensual act if this law is to be believed. But these are interesting facts to know. I wasn't aware of this law in question.

STOP HAVING FUN!!!!!

But most importantly...

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!! 😈😈😈

 

[diphuc1]

There is a one in a million chance that the author actually touches on the legailty of 129, even if it would fix everything it would not be as satisfying to readers to go down that road. Ultimately it was just an angle for discussion to make one point clear, things were simple yet also not as simple on that night and both sides have their fair arguments to make, keep it clean and cordial.

 

[whorainzone]

Classic Seo Kouji. For some reason they like to slap you in the face with some tragedy in their manga. See Fuuka for example

Yeah and these tragic storys always are the same. So I had to read some analyses on reddit to understand if yuzuki is in love with mc or with her childhood friend because some parts of the story didnt match imo. but overall good read.

 

[diphuc1]

Seriously? Asking AI? What even is going on here? Are you all children? You shouldn't be reading manga made for 18+ you know.

You still need to tell us what exactly was rape when it was among adults who were in control of their minds consensually having sex. What is Sakura going to say? Yeah I knew he wanted to fuck me, I went to his room and started making out with him and he started stripping me, I reciprocated and then we fucked all night, I moved in with him immediately afterwards and work with him and have been in a relationship with him for months now. But I want you to apply rape charges against him?

What are you smoking man? She wasn't raped, she barely even needed persuasion.

No one's trying to change your position on this, let people use whatever tools they feel helps them express their ideas best, people can read what they want. We do not know definitively if Sakura is in a loving relationship or if she has moved in with fuckboi. Even assuming the the post time skip scenes are definitively Sakura the details remain vague enough that the author has the option of pulling out the bs "gotcha" card on this.

 

[whorainzone]

It might be a controversial take but I dont consider this full rape tbh, maybe the lowest end of the spectrum because lets be honest, rape definitely needs a lot of hesitation and it usually does in normal ntr (the struggle from the fmc is the main selling point for readers) and we barely see any hesitation. It is also one of the reasons why even people on the netorare subreddit are calling it cheating instead of rape. IRL, of course this can be considered rape, but if AIri wanted it to be rape, she would've done much more to please the nte readers and atleast made Sakura struggle a bit like her trying to get away or something.

And now if we do consider it rape, then it paints an even worse look for Sakura if she decides to stay with the fuckboi and have sex everyday even after she was raped by him.

Thinking about your last sentence... that would be so fucking weird. She got raped and she stays with her rapist and has sex with him. That would just show what a slut and sex addict she is.

 

[SS-2010]

But I still don't understand, who decides that it's a rape scene? You see it as a rape scene, but what about the creators? The creators could simply say that they planned it as a consensual scene. I still believe that this scene wasn't intended to look like rape, but rather as a consensual scene.

I don't want to say about rape anymore but it can't help. I was like you before and I was angry at Sakura but I noticed someone mentioned about rape and also rape law. Then I was curious myself and asked google what to do if I was Shinobu and my girlfriend was forced to have sex.

The answer surprised me, Sakura was raped and the author was wrong! Now, the author couldn't write a story like that because it's against the new law. She can still do it in doujinshi but not in a serialized manga. The rape law has changed since 2023 but the author wasn't updated! It's a very big news because Japan just changed the rape law they used for over a century!

We all can angry at Sakura under the old law. But now, we can't! Now, she's a true victim. The law consider the consent from the start, not after that. Also, there are eight scenarios that automatically define as rape so that the rapist can't defend.

Sakara fell into both points : one is she didn't give the consent from the start (though she might give it later, we didn't know.) and two she fell in one of eight scenarios that "not enough time to refuse".

The fucboy did not give her any time to refuse. He forced her to go on the floor, took off her dress and started his fingerplay till she got orgasm and couldn't resist anymore. She's been like that with the director too and would be raped if Mr. Tippy didn't join and make a mess.

Therefore, whether to concern the first point (no consent at the beginning) or second point (not enough time to refuse), the fucboy has already been a rapist.

We can get full angry at Sakura in the past because it's not a rape at that time. But now we can't do it. I think many Japanese women still don't know what is the new definition of rape by law and Grapara makes it worst. It's against human rights. The fucboy can't do that to any girl not just Sakura because it's a crime now.

Hope I don't have to say about this matter again. I just say it to support friends here ( @Alsatia @diphuc1 @RaiKaiser etc.) that Sakura is a rape victim, not a villain that the author tried to make her be. We'd not get angry at her but feel for her instead.

You guys don't have to believe me, you can search on Google, ChatGPT, etc. for more information by yourselves. Thank you for reading.

 

[Darklight99]

No one's trying to change your position on this, let people use whatever tools they feel helps them express their ideas best, people can read what they want. We do not know definitively if Sakura is in a loving relationship or if she has moved in with fuckboi. Even assuming the the post time skip scenes are definitively Sakura the details remain vague enough that the author has the option of pulling out the bs "gotcha" card on this.

AI is not OK, it's simply not, it's ruining the world. Secondly, when someone comes in calling it rape multiple times, I'd expect them to tell us how exactly it was rape, what law was broken, and Yuma's actions that night were highly unethical, the fact that she continued to stay with him removes any other opinion from the topic. He told her he would take her home but she went to his house instead because she didn't want to meet Shinobu, and then she started crying about him. So she went to the room of the guy who wants to fuck her without a third party present, started complaining about her current bf and then when he started making moves she immediately reciprocated, aside from a "wait a sec and no" once or twice, she stated moaning in pleasure immediately and didn't try to stop him or push him away or even clearly decline at all. Even if you somehow called this rape, the fact that she stayed with him for months mean that there is no possible rape condition now. There are absolutely 0 legal issues.

 

[whorainzone]

I don't want to say about rape anymore but it can't help. I was like you before and I was angry at Sakura but I noticed someone mentioned about rape and also rape law. Then I was curious myself and asked google what to do if I was Shinobu and my girlfriend was forced to have sex.

The answer surprised me, Sakura was raped and the author was wrong! Now, the author couldn't write a story like that because it's against the new law. She can still do it in doujinshi but not in a serialized manga. The rape law has changed since 2023 but the author wasn't updated! It's a very big news because Japan just changed the rape law they used for over a century!

We all can angry at Sakura under the old law. But now, we can't! Now, she's a true victim. The law consider the consent from the start, not after that. Also, there are eight scenarios that automatically define as rape so that the rapist can't defend.

Sakara fell into both points : one is she didn't give the consent from the start (though she might give it later, we didn't know.) and two she fell in one of eight scenarios that "not enough time to refuse".

The fucboy did not give her any time to refuse. He forced her to go on the floor, took off her dress and started his fingerplay till she got orgasm and couldn't resist anymore. She's been like that with the director too and would be raped if Mr. Tippy didn't join and make a mess.

Therefore, whether to concern the first point (no consent at the beginning) or second point (not enough time to refuse), the fucboy has already been a rapist.

We can get full angry at Sakura in the past because it's not a rape at that time. But now we can't do it. I think many Japanese women still don't know what is the new definition of rape by law and Grapara makes it worst. It's against human rights. The fucboy can't do that to any girl not just Sakura because it's a crime now.

Hope I don't have to say about this matter again. I just say it to support friends here ( @Alsatia @diphuc1 @RaiKaiser etc.) that Sakura is a rape victim, not a villain that the author tried to make her be. We'd not get angry at her but feel for her instead.

You guys don't have to believe me, you can search on Google, ChatGPT, etc. for more information by yourselves. Thank you for reading.

Lets say she got raped how do you explain her still staying with him and sleeping with him during months period? Was it also rape? Tbh dont think so

 

[diphuc1]

I don't want to say about rape anymore but it can't help. I was like you before and I was angry at Sakura but I noticed someone mentioned about rape and also rape law. Then I was curious myself and asked google what to do if I was Shinobu and my girlfriend was forced to have sex.

The answer surprised me, Sakura was raped and the author was wrong! Now, the author couldn't write a story like that because it's against the new law. She can still do it in doujinshi but not in a serialized manga. The rape law has changed since 2023 but the author wasn't updated! It's a very big news because Japan just changed the rape law they used for over a century!

We all can angry at Sakura under the old law. But now, we can't! Now, she's a true victim. The law consider the consent from the start, not after that. Also, there are eight scenarios that automatically define as rape so that the rapist can't defend.

Sakara fell into both points : one is she didn't give the consent from the start (though she might give it later, we didn't know.) and two she fell in one of eight scenarios that "not enough time to refuse".

The fucboy did not give her any time to refuse. He forced her to go on the floor, took off her dress and started his fingerplay till she got orgasm and couldn't resist anymore. She's been like that with the director too and would be raped if Mr. Tippy didn't join and make a mess.

Therefore, whether to concern the first point (no consent at the beginning) or second point (not enough time to refuse), the fucboy has already been a rapist.

We can get full angry at Sakura in the past because it's not a rape at that time. But now we can't do it. I think many Japanese women still don't know what is the new definition of rape by law and Grapara makes it worst. It's against human rights. The fucboy can't do that to any girl not just Sakura because it's a crime now.

Hope I don't have to say about this matter again. I just say it to support friends here ( @Alsatia @diphuc1 @RaiKaiser etc.) that Sakura is a rape victim, not a villain that the author tried to make her be. We'd not get angry at her but feel for her instead.

You guys don't have to believe me, you can search on Google, ChatGPT, etc. for more information by yourselves. Thank you for reading.

Thank you for taking the time to put this out there and share your input on the topic. Again though this angle even if factual would be odd for the author to commit to, the cop out I would personally is to reveal that fuckboi in fact got rejected, Sakura is living on her own, and pg 9 is a red herring lmao.

 

[jonasadan]

Lets say she got raped how do you explain her still staying with him and sleeping with him during months period? Was it also rape? Tbh dont think so

There's no explanation for that because the scene isn't meant to be a rape scene

 

[Darklight99]

I don't want to say about rape anymore but it can't help. I was like you before and I was angry at Sakura but I noticed someone mentioned about rape and also rape law. Then I was curious myself and asked google what to do if I was Shinobu and my girlfriend was forced to have sex.

The answer surprised me, Sakura was raped and the author was wrong! Now, the author couldn't write a story like that because it's against the new law. She can still do it in doujinshi but not in a serialized manga. The rape law has changed since 2023 but the author wasn't updated! It's a very big news because Japan just changed the rape law they used for over a century!

We all can angry at Sakura under the old law. But now, we can't! Now, she's a true victim. The law consider the consent from the start, not after that. Also, there are eight scenarios that automatically define as rape so that the rapist can't defend.

Sakara fell into both points : one is she didn't give the consent from the start (though she might give it later, we didn't know.) and two she fell in one of eight scenarios that "not enough time to refuse".

The fucboy did not give her any time to refuse. He forced her to go on the floor, took off her dress and started his fingerplay till she got orgasm and couldn't resist anymore. She's been like that with the director too and would be raped if Mr. Tippy didn't join and make a mess.

Therefore, whether to concern the first point (no consent at the beginning) or second point (not enough time to refuse), the fucboy has already been a rapist.

We can get full angry at Sakura in the past because it's not a rape at that time. But now we can't do it. I think many Japanese women still don't know what is the new definition of rape by law and Grapara makes it worst. It's against human rights. The fucboy can't do that to any girl not just Sakura because it's a crime now.

Hope I don't have to say about this matter again. I just say it to support friends here ( @Alsatia @diphuc1 @RaiKaiser etc.) that Sakura is a rape victim, not a villain that the author tried to make her be. We'd not get angry at her but feel for her instead.

You guys don't have to believe me, you can search on Google, ChatGPT, etc. for more information by yourselves. Thank you for reading.

Sakura wasn't forced to do anything, she willingly did everything, of course the AI will call it rape when you use the word forced. Also do you think even if it was rape the author isn't allowed to write it? Of course you can rape in Japanese manga, what sort of insanity is this? Not that she was raped. Did she not have the time to refuse Yuma once the entire night? Because they fucked all night, multiple times, the entire bed was filled with used condoms. She never refused.

 

[SS-2010]

Thinking about your last sentence... that would be so fucking weird. She got raped and she stays with her rapist and has sex with him. That would just show what a slut and sex addict she is.

It's a normal NTR plot that used in doujinshi: the fmc was raped, addicted to pleasure and throw away everything including love to stay with the rapist just for sex and may also get pregnant. And the doujinshi ends at this point with the mc's sufferings.

That's why, many readers get angry after the author turned Sakura into a stupid NTR character in just a few chapters.

 

[diphuc1]

AI is not OK, it's simply not, it's ruining the world. Secondly, when someone comes in calling it rape multiple times, I'd expect them to tell us how exactly it was rape, what law was broken, and Yuma's actions that night were highly unethical, the fact that she continued to stay with him removes any other opinion from the topic. He told her he would take her home but she went to his house instead because she didn't want to meet Shinobu, and then she started crying about him. So she went to the room of the guy who wants to fuck her without a third party present, started complaining about her current bf and then when he started making moves she immediately reciprocated, aside from a "wait a sec and no" once or twice, she stated moaning in pleasure immediately and didn't try to stop him or push him away or even clearly decline at all. Even if you somehow called this rape, the fact that she stayed with him for months mean that there is no possible rape condition now. There are absolutely 0 legal issues.

Will keep this in mind if she's later shown to be definitively living with fuckboi

 

[Alsatia]

Sakura wasn't forced to do anything, she willingly did everything, of course the AI will call it rape when you use the word forced. Also do you think even if it was rape the author isn't allowed to write it? Of course you can rape in Japanese manga, what sort of insanity is this? Not that she was raped. Did she not have the time to refuse Yuma once the entire night? Because they fucked all night, multiple times, the entire bed was filled with used condoms. She never refused.

Yea, she did not have time. Rape topic aside, Yuma was aggressive in his pushing sex on Sakura.

She did try to fight back but given the context of the situation, she wasn't mentally all there. She's fought back before in previous moments like we've seen in the first half of the manga. It's just the lead up to this moment (her self doubt and the out of context moments she caught Shinobu in, the pushing to leave him from Yuma and Blondie) was in Yuma's favor in this moment.

She gave in, yes. Ultimately she did not stop him. The key pivotal moment was Yuma making her reach an orgasm with his fingers. After that she spaced out. Like she was dazed.

I doubt Sakura willingly walked to the bed. Yuma stripped and carried her to it. She saw the phone ring and if it was bait, that was likely the moment she would have come to and snap out of it (since she called out for Shinobu). Yet Yuma's aggressiveness in giving Sakura little time made her completely give in once more once he penetrated her.

 

[Xain]

Sakura wasn't forced to do anything, she willingly did everything, of course the AI will call it rape when you use the word forced. Also do you think even if it was rape the author isn't allowed to write it? Of course you can rape in Japanese manga, what sort of insanity is this? Not that she was raped. Did she not have the time to refuse Yuma once the entire night? Because they fucked all night, multiple times, the entire bed was filled with used condoms. She never refused.

PREACH! YOU TELL EM!

 

[Alsatia]

I don't want to say about rape anymore but it can't help. I was like you before and I was angry at Sakura but I noticed someone mentioned about rape and also rape law. Then I was curious myself and asked google what to do if I was Shinobu and my girlfriend was forced to have sex.

The answer surprised me, Sakura was raped and the author was wrong! Now, the author couldn't write a story like that because it's against the new law. She can still do it in doujinshi but not in a serialized manga. The rape law has changed since 2023 but the author wasn't updated! It's a very big news because Japan just changed the rape law they used for over a century!

We all can angry at Sakura under the old law. But now, we can't! Now, she's a true victim. The law consider the consent from the start, not after that. Also, there are eight scenarios that automatically define as rape so that the rapist can't defend.

Sakara fell into both points : one is she didn't give the consent from the start (though she might give it later, we didn't know.) and two she fell in one of eight scenarios that "not enough time to refuse".

The fucboy did not give her any time to refuse. He forced her to go on the floor, took off her dress and started his fingerplay till she got orgasm and couldn't resist anymore. She's been like that with the director too and would be raped if Mr. Tippy didn't join and make a mess.

Therefore, whether to concern the first point (no consent at the beginning) or second point (not enough time to refuse), the fucboy has already been a rapist.

We can get full angry at Sakura in the past because it's not a rape at that time. But now we can't do it. I think many Japanese women still don't know what is the new definition of rape by law and Grapara makes it worst. It's against human rights. The fucboy can't do that to any girl not just Sakura because it's a crime now.

Hope I don't have to say about this matter again. I just say it to support friends here ( @Alsatia @diphuc1 @RaiKaiser etc.) that Sakura is a rape victim, not a villain that the author tried to make her be. We'd not get angry at her but feel for her instead.

You guys don't have to believe me, you can search on Google, ChatGPT, etc. for more information by yourselves. Thank you for reading.

And thank you for clearing things up! It's appreciated and all. Your input has been interesting even if things don't come into a legal play plot wise.

This was still some good info to know on when it comes to Japan's legal system.

 

[diphuc1]

She did try to fight back but given the context of the situation, she wasn't mentally all there. She's fought back before in previous moments like we've seen in the first half of the manga. It's just the lead up to this moment (her self doubt and the out of context moments she caught Shinobu in, the pushing to leave him from Yuma and Blondie) was in Yuma's favor in this moment.

She gave in, yes. Ultimately she did not stop him. The key pivotal moment was Yuma making her reach an orgasm with his fingers. After that she spaced out. Like she was dazed.

I doubt Sakura willingly walked to the bed. Yuma stripped and carried her to it. She saw the phone ring and if it was bait, that was likely the moment she would have come to and snap out of it (since she called out for Shinobu). Yet Yuma's aggressiveness in giving Sakura little time made her completely give in once more once he penetrated her.

Its funny cause this discussion just goes down the drain if they're shown to be happily living together in 132 at any point. For now though the mystery still makes me think its not that simple.