Hachinan tte, Sore wa Nai Deshou! - Ch. 96 - [Children and Their Parents Are Alike]

[MangaDex]

 

[92cloud]

thanks for the chapter. kinda confused about what they are talking about but probably cause im sleepy lol

 

[ciera]

Thank you for the update

 

[Dosky]

Pure fillers.

 

[WhimsiCat]

thanks for the chapter. kinda confused about what they are talking about but probably cause im sleepy lol

It just boils down to trying to keep the 'public facade' up so nobody can criticize them about it.

The fathers can't come on official trip since that'd require them to greet the local lord, Vel, but that would result in them bowing to a noble who's not their actual boss, the margrave. Obviously them not doing so would be insulting to Vel instead.
So the moms are coming instead, using the 'public excuse' of visiting their daughters.

And the moms are telling Vel not to just accept the fathers' recommendation letter because right now Louise and Ina's blood-siblings are given priority due to their direct relation with those two.

 

[lesseffective]

Pure fillers.

Less martial arts, more marital arts!

 

[Kaarme]

I found it funny how Vel sounded so disrespectful when talking about the dojos, as if they were just places were people are fooling around for fun. Maybe it wouldn't matter so much, but Louise and Iina are his fiancée and their martials arts are basically all they can be proud of, professionally speaking.

The fathers can't come on official trip since that'd require them to greet the local lord, Vel, but that would result in them bowing to a noble who's not their actual boss, the margrave. Obviously them not doing so would be insulting to Vel instead.
So the moms are coming instead, using the 'public excuse' of visiting their daughters.

It sounds like an East Asian thing that they would need to bow down in front of some pesky noble anyway. The king would be an entirely different matter.

 

[WhimsiCat]

It sounds like an East Asian thing that they would need to bow down in front of some pesky noble anyway. The king would be an entirely different matter.

Sounds a bit racist to think this is East Asian thing when Western court etiquette is real and often get incorporated into fantasy setting as is.

And also dumb to think that MC (or the margrave, by extension) would be considered 'some pesky noble'

 

[Astra_Starwalker]

Sounds a bit racist to think this is East Asian thing when Western court etiquette is real and often get incorporated into fantasy setting as is.

And also dumb to think that MC (or the margrave, by extension) would be considered 'some pesky noble'

Western court etiquette is to kneel down on one leg with the other up, Asian court etiquette seems to always be getting down on both legs and bowing down towards the floor, the more important the person you are greeting, the closer to the floor you get.
I'll be honest, though, that's entirely from Anime and Manga, real court etiquette in Asia could be different.

 

[WhimsiCat]

Western court etiquette is to kneel down on one leg with the other up, Asian court etiquette seems to always be getting down on both legs and bowing down towards the floor, the more important the person you are greeting, the closer to the floor you get.
I'll be honest, though, that's entirely from Anime and Manga, real court etiquette in Asia could be different.

Pretty sure even in Western court you're also supposed to slightly bow, or at least enough to keep your head down until addressed.

The art in those pages cover the knee/side so it's hard to tell which way they're doing, but going back to earlier chapter shows pretty clearly their etiquette is single knee i.e. Western style:
https://mangadex.org/chapter/fc4c8cee-2f86-4b9c-a541-0079c705b856/3

 

[hevensdragon]

thanks for the chapter. kinda confused about what they are talking about but probably cause im sleepy lol

Yeah its actually rather rough, there is a lot of who is talking and who is being talked about that is messed up.

 

[Astra_Starwalker]

Pretty sure even in Western court you're also supposed to slightly bow, or at least enough to keep your head down until addressed.

The art in those pages cover the knee/side so it's hard to tell which way they're doing, but going back to earlier chapter shows pretty clearly their etiquette is single knee i.e. Western style:
https://mangadex.org/chapter/fc4c8cee-2f86-4b9c-a541-0079c705b856/3

Hmm, you're right, and comparing the overall body posture in this chapter with the one you linked, it does look like they are still doing the Western style.
For some reason, I had gotten it in my head that I saw the two fathers doing the Asian style, I'm guessing it might be because I know the manga is Japanese, and as such, I just automatically assumed that was the case xD

 

[Kaarme]

Sounds a bit racist to think this is East Asian thing when Western court etiquette is real and often get incorporated into fantasy setting as is.

I referred to it as East Asian because Europeans only kneel for their own monarch, not to another country's. When they went to China, it created a diplomatic problem because the emperor over there expected everyone in the world to kneel before him.

But if you guys are saying in Europe folks got on their knee in front of a random noble they aren't even serving, then I guess you are wiser than I am. But then again, neither of the fiancée girls' mothers did. They just greeted Vel perfectly normally by shaking his hand, so I haven't got a clue what all that talk earlier was all about.

 

[Phoenix_treaty]

It just boils down to trying to keep the 'public facade' up so nobody can criticize them about it.

The fathers can't come on official trip since that'd require them to greet the local lord, Vel, but that would result in them bowing to a noble who's not their actual boss, the margrave. Obviously them not doing so would be insulting to Vel instead.
So the moms are coming instead, using the 'public excuse' of visiting their daughters.

And the moms are telling Vel not to just accept the fathers' recommendation letter because right now Louise and Ina's blood-siblings are given priority due to their direct relation with those two.

FUCKIN THANK YOU. reading all that made my brain hurt

 

[WhimsiCat]

But if you guys are saying in Europe folks got on their knee in front of a random noble they aren't even serving, then I guess you are wiser than I am. But then again, neither of the fiancée girls' mothers did. They just greeted Vel perfectly normally by shaking his hand, so I haven't got a clue what all that talk earlier was all about.

As I said in another post, it's mostly just about the public facade.

I think there's one key detail you may not realize/forgot about, since it's not really mentioned much (I had to double check as well)
Ina and Louise's families are NOT nobles themselves.
https://mangadex.org/chapter/f5c840cd-44a1-48c4-bc8e-c09e38ebce13/28
https://mangadex.org/chapter/f5c840cd-44a1-48c4-bc8e-c09e38ebce13/29
So in this case it's non-noble bowing to a land owning noble.

Which matters to the whole talk.
The fathers are the head of their families, so their actions are taken as the family's decision.
Them kneeling to someone they aren't serving (Vel) could be taken badly by the Margrave side.
But if they visit they would need to greet Vel and show him respect as the land owning noble, otherwise it'd be disrespectful to Vel side since they are visiting to check out the dojo in his land.
Of course in reality neither Vel nor the Margrave would actually take offense since they know of the situation, but it open rooms for others to criticize the people involved.
Thus the dilemma and to avoid all that they just aren't coming here.

Whereas Louise and Ina's moms aren't even the 'legal wives' so there's far less scrutiny with their visits ('officially' they're just visiting their daughters)
There's other details in the chapter that kinda revolve around the same theme (like the moms saying they can't help with anything too public, or warning Vel to not taking anyone just merely for them having letters from the fathers)

But yeah these sort of political maneuverings can get very messy.

 

[Zephian]

FUCKIN THANK YOU. reading all that made my brain hurt

I'm not terrible at understanding etiquettes and such, but even I was having difficulty keeping the lines connected.
The whole thing about bowing to another lord, all understandable, so all that was an attempt to save face for Vel and them, because they don't want to smudge either side by visiting.
But the whole [Legal Wife] business is where I was loosing it. Still kinda lost there, I think if I understand, the vassels of the [Legal Wife] are normally by duty go to serve their Father's Lord, but even those children want to work for Vel.
And even with the Father's recommendation the prospective trainers could have unclear backgrounds.
So for now only take those who's identities are irrefutable to the Martial Families, hence only being the Gal's blood related siblings. Probably to protect the skills of the said families from being stolen.

 

[WhimsiCat]

But the whole [Legal Wife] business is where I was loosing it. Still kinda lost there, I think if I understand, the vassels of the [Legal Wife] are normally by duty go to serve their Father's Lord, but even those children want to work for Vel.
And even with the Father's recommendation the prospective trainers could have unclear backgrounds.
So for now only take those who's identities are irrefutable to the Martial Families, hence only being the Gal's blood related siblings. Probably to protect the skills of the said families from being stolen.

By legal wives they're referring to the official wife of the fathers.
i.e. In Vel's case Elise would be the legal wife, while Ina, Louise, etc are concubines.

 

[XNFEdayo]

It just boils down to trying to keep the 'public facade' up so nobody can criticize them about it.

The fathers can't come on official trip since that'd require them to greet the local lord, Vel, but that would result in them bowing to a noble who's not their actual boss, the margrave. Obviously them not doing so would be insulting to Vel instead.
So the moms are coming instead, using the 'public excuse' of visiting their daughters.

And the moms are telling Vel not to just accept the fathers' recommendation letter because right now Louise and Ina's blood-siblings are given priority due to their direct relation with those two.

I found it funny how Vel sounded so disrespectful when talking about the dojos, as if they were just places were people are fooling around for fun. Maybe it wouldn't matter so much, but Louise and Iina are his fiancée and their martials arts are basically all they can be proud of, professionally speaking.


It sounds like an East Asian thing that they would need to bow down in front of some pesky noble anyway. The king would be an entirely different matter.

Western court etiquette is to kneel down on one leg with the other up, Asian court etiquette seems to always be getting down on both legs and bowing down towards the floor, the more important the person you are greeting, the closer to the floor you get.
I'll be honest, though, that's entirely from Anime and Manga, real court etiquette in Asia could be different.

I'm glad you guys are around to talk about the serious stuff. So I can instead say that Louise mom is a damn cutie and I wouldn't mind falling for her trap! She's also gives hope that Louise can fill out a little bit more.

Iina's mom is super motherly that I can't help but think Iina herself will probably be a great mother in the future. She's like that mother-in-law in manga that the MC ends up being treated more like a son than his real mother.

 

[Zephian]

By legal wives they're referring to the official wife of the fathers.
i.e. In Vel's case Elise would be the legal wife, while Ina, Louise, etc are concubines.

Ahh! Re-reading I think I caught the problem, that being the [Legal Wife]'s children want to serve Vel, which means they might "aquire" their Father's recommendation and pose as someone else to be in Vel's land.
If discovered to be the [Legal Wife]'s children it could be a slap for both Vel and the Margrave, as they are supposed to serve the Margrave.
So for now only hire Ina's and Louise's brothers as they are both their respective representative of their families and their identities are easily confirmed.

So the [Legal Wife]'s children are causing issues for all parties because they really like Vel's lands.

 

[Airzpool]

Another reason why I don't like the medieval world is that opportunities for jobs and work are basically full. It is hard to get a job.