Hana ni Arashi - Vol. 6 Ch. 69 - Stormy School Trip (2)

[FandomRatGuy]

Ok with this non-communication drama when it is so lighthearted, kind of cute

 

[JKTV]

After fights we may get a steamy kiss 👀

 

[Lilliwyt]

I wish sometime that authors stop with the two MC not talking to each other when something upset them. It is less realistic for people to not talk to each other in those kind of situations ? I ask because it's seem to be normal for some to not talk about what upset you to the person instead of dunno, talking about it and figure it out.

 

[icekatze]

Nanoha really messed up. But beyond this singular problem, the attitude of assuming the worst out of her partner does not bode well for the relationship's future.

 

[igenetycs]

@Lilliwyt It's absolutely normal for people to take some time away to cool their heads. It's also absolutely normal for teenagers to overreact and say stupid things in the heat of the moment (e.g. "Seems like someone has more fun without me!").

From a purely logical perspective, it's easy to say "just talk it out", but that's without feeling the intense emotions the characters are feeling. Emotions have a tendency to cloud judgement, especially in hormonal teenagers.

 

[mmosimca]

Yeah, we're 68 chapters into this manga, I think most people know by now that these drama mini-arcs are usually solved quickly and cutely.

Honestly I thought Mai would go away at the end of the initial drama bit with her sucking up Nanoha's time, but her sticking around and giving relationship advice is a cute twist.

 

[icekatze]

@igenetycs
It's normal for people to overreact and say stupid things in the heat of the moment, but it's also normal for people to break up. Nanoha knows about Chidori's past relationship too, and knows how she feels about having a partner that's dishonest with her feelings, so Nanoha's thoughts about it being an act make things even worse in a way.

Abuse is sadly common, whether it's physical or emotional, but just because it's caused by intense emotions doesn't make it alright. It's not a crime to have feelings, but the way one acts on those feelings is open for judgement.

 

[igenetycs]

@icekatze

It's normal for people to overreact and say stupid things in the heat of the moment, but it's also normal for people to break up.

I don't see the connection this has to what I said, or to the story itself.

having a partner that's dishonest with her feelings

I think it's very misleading to equate leading someone on and essentially cheating on them with overreacting and being a bit jealous.

Abuse is sadly common

Wow, are you actually saying what Nanoha did is abuse? Are you for real?

 

[icekatze]

@igenetycs
Nanoha went a half-step away from outing her partner in front of her friends. She took a private matter and exposed it in public, humiliating her friend.

So yes, I'm for real.

 

[igenetycs]

@icekatze This isn't even in the same stratosphere as outing her. Friends fight like this too. I wouldn't call this humiliation, either — this is very much a "ooh, something happened between these two" situation, rather than a "laugh at Chidori" situation.

 

[icekatze]

@igenetycs
If any of their friends weren't paying attention to their relationship before, they're going to be now. And regardless of what Nanoha intended, Chidori clearly was humiliated to the point of trembling and covering her face while she was eating lunch.

 

[mirewitch]

@icekatze She was trembling because she was mad at being disrespected. One of the friends even says "She's really pissed." In regards to outing her: their friends all know Nanoha and Chidori are best friends, even if they don't know they are dating. And close friends have arguments. I can think of several arguments I've had with close friends that were more dramatic than this one. Fights are an inevitable part of any meaningful relationship, regardless of whether its romantic. As such I doubt their friends will become more suspicious. I agree with @igenetycs - Nanoha handled the situation poorly, but she didn't out Chidori, and definitely didn't abuse her.

 

[JavelinJoe]

@mirewitch
I want to believe that all of their friends actually have figured out about them dating and just are putting up an ignorant front until they feel like telling them about it. It is actually a long running joke between them where they try to push the 2 into each other and other subtle things. And now with Mai in the picture, who believes she is the only one who knows, has become her own party of messing with the 2 but in different ways than the friends. Like even the mothers know but are just keeping quiet about it.

 

[mirewitch]

@JavelinJoe Yeah, I like that head-cannon too, even if I doubt it's the author's plan. My point was just that two friends arguing isn't suspicious, so even if the 3 friends don't know, the fight won't change that.

 

[icekatze]

@mirewitch
You may be correct about Chidori being more angry than humiliated, but I'm not sure if that makes things any better.

From my own experience, my friends would openly suspect people of being romantically involved even when they weren't, from misunderstandings much more simple than this.

Disagreements may be inevitable in any relationship, but I'm not sure we have the same definition of the word "fight." Fights may be ubiquitous in pop media, but I've known couples that can resolve their disagreements without yelling. My parents never, not once, shouted at each other. Count to ten, take a breather, remind yourself that you're on the same side and working for the same goal. It's not a black and white thing, for sure, but in terms of degrees of hostility, there are lots of better ways to handle things.

It's good at least that we can agree that Nanoha handled things poorly. I'd be much more upset if this conversation ended without finding even a little common ground.

Still, publicly embarrassing one's partner is a textbook example of emotional abuse. It may not be severe or repetitive abuse, so there's certainly room for reconciling, but it's not something that ought to be allowed to go on repeatedly. How severe it is depends a lot on the individual, and being fictional characters, I can't speak to that. I can only speak from personal experience.

 

[mirewitch]

@icekatze
Sorry but I just don't see the same things you're seeing. Nanoha politely declines to go to lunch, and then says "Plus... It seems like someone has more fun without me!" in an annoyed tone. Note she isn't yelling because her speech bubble is normal, in contrast to Chidori on the next page when she yells "No Clue!!!". Chidori's friends then turn their backs to Nanoha and ask Chidori what happened, at which point Nanoha covertly sticks her tongue out at Chidori. I'll agree it was immature and a bit passive aggressive, but you keep going on about public embarrassment and emotional abuse, and I just don't understand how Nanoha's actions are anywhere close to that level. Nanoha avoiding Chidori for a couple hours because she is upset isn't abuse. Nanoha implying that Chidori likes other friends more than her is a bit passive aggressive, but not abuse. Nanoha sticking her tongue out while her friends are looking at Chidori is childish, but not abuse.

Similarly, I'm not seeing how anyone would get suspicious that two close friends are in a relationship just because one of them accuses the other of disliking them. Like, if two friends of mine did that, I would assume they got in an argument or misunderstanding. I would try to get them to make up and be friends again. I would not start theorizing that they are secretly dating.

 

[IGGary]

chapter number: nice
chapter plot: not nice

 

[gartender]

I'm going to side with Chidori on this one. If you got something bothering you, don't and go make a scene out in public. Go talk to the person involved and figure out a solution together.

 

[Purplelibraryguy]

Kids.

 

[Sarsak]

urgh I remember having all sorts of stupid arguments like this when I was younger. It just escalates from something small and all of a sudden you've stopped hanging out with them for a bit (till someone/everyone apologizes)