Hazure Waku no [Joutai Ijou Skill] de Saikyou ni Natta Ore ga Subete o Juurin Suru made - Ch. 56.1 - Sogou Ayaka

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ultimate wingmen

 

[Kshatria]

wait, why is she the dense one?
not the dense mc after all

 

[groudonvert]

You are missing the point here.
The ashinto faction, which wanted to remain in shadows, just went with big Bang in this battle. So, the Belzegius is contradicting not only his own words, but pretty much his faction goals and policies.

And you're missing the fact this faction never existed. It was created by Touka so he could act in the light while his true identity remains hidden. He invented a believable backstory of why he was on this battlefield, that's all.

 

[AnnePackrat]

So like… are they dating or not? This manga is really confusing about that.

 

[groudonvert]

So like… are they dating or not? This manga is really confusing about that.

They're not.

 

[Mordenheim]

And you're missing the fact this faction never existed. It was created by Touka so he could act in the light while his true identity remains hidden. He invented a believable backstory of why he was on this battlefield, that's all.

Emphasis of mine.
Mate, that's what people are pointing out. It's not believable backstory, when you are contradicting your own words with your very actions. That's why I have said Belzegius (it's actually Belzegia, but that's besides the point), not Touka in my post. Belzegia said that unlike the previously encountered Ashinto group, his faction wanted to stay hidden in shadows... except that an hour ago he and his comrades were behaving like the proverbial bull in a china shop. It's not exacly convincing.

 

[groudonvert]

Emphasis of mine.
Mate, that's what people are pointing out. It's not believable backstory, when you are contradicting your own words with your very actions.

With the addition of his that he came to their rescue because Seras asked him to do so.

Also you forgot that what makes his backstory believable is his Curse Magic. They saw with their own eyes an Ashint guy kill a high rank demon with ease. Even if they don't completely believe his backstory, it doesn't matter in the end, they're thankful for his intervention who saved their lives.

 

[Mordenheim]

With the addition of his that he came to their rescue because Seras asked him to do so.

Also you forgot that what makes his backstory believable is his Curse Magic. They saw with their own eyes an Ashint guy kill a high rank demon with ease. Even if they don't completely believe his backstory, it doesn't matter in the end, they're thankful for his intervention who saved their lives.

Except there was no need for the backstory full of holes, at this point Touka could invent any. It's basically the case of character(author) trying to be too smart for their own good.

 

[groudonvert]

Except there was no need for the backstory full of holes, at this point Touka could invent any. It's basically the case of character(author) trying to be too smart for their own good.

No he couldn't. If he didn't use Ashint as a smokescreen to cover his tracks, his appearance in the battlefield who have been really suspicious to the goddess. Who's this guy that comes out of nowhere who has the ability to instantly kill high rank demon with unexplainable magic ?

 

[Schernobyl]

Except there was no need for the backstory full of holes, at this point Touka could invent any. It's basically the case of character(author) trying to be too smart for their own good.

Agree, he needed to be more specific/adamant that they only engaged because of Seras wish. Otherwise we would not have helped out and remained in the shadows.

 

[groudonvert]

Agree, he needed to be more specific/adamant that they only engaged because of Seras wish. Otherwise we would not have helped out and remained in the shadows.

And he would have had to answer the question how he killed that Demon. Using Ashint name (who used Civit Gartland's death to make their Curse magic more believable) makes him able to hides his identity.

Don't forget his classmates saw him use Paralyze on Vicius at the start.

 

[Schernobyl]

And he would have had to answer the question how he killed that Demon. Using Ashint name (who used Civit Gartland's death to make their Curse magic more believable) makes him able to hides his identity.

Don't forget his classmates saw him use Paralyze on Vicius at the start.

I think you misunderstand. I'm pointing out that by emphasizing why his "sect" (that wanted to remain hidden) came into the light needed to be stressed more. That it really only was for Seras and that she had a prominent position in the organization. Otherwise their "sect"would have stayed in the shadows. It keeps his Ashint cover but also plugs the hole in his story that @Mordenheim mentioned. The reason for leaving the shadows.

 

[groudonvert]

I think you misunderstand. I'm pointing out that by emphasizing why his "sect" (that wanted to remain hidden) came into the light needed to be stressed more. That it really only was for Seras and that she had a prominent position in the organization. Otherwise their "sect"would have stayed in the shadows. It keeps his Ashint cover but also plugs the hole in his story that @Mordenheim mentioned. The reason for leaving the shadows.

The real reason wasn't told to anybody except Cattlea is because Seras Ashlain is supposed to be dead.

Officially, Ashint came to the rescue because of the demon's threat.

 

[Khazar123]

The real reason wasn't told to anybody except Cattlea is because Seras Ashlain is supposed to be dead.

Officially, Ashint came to the rescue because of the demon's threat.

There has been no other conversation so far, so all the Manga readers are talking about this conversation. What other conversations might contain does not pertain to the point right now.

As @Schernobyl mentioned, a bigger emphasis on why they left the "shadows", would have helped make this scene feel more real. One could suggest that MC confirming his feelings for Seras is reinforcing the point that it was Seras request, but as MC has been established as a scheming and honey trap talking person, it seems odd for him to have such a lackluster explanation for their.. "emergence from the shadows"

With how it's presented in the Manga, it feels more like "setting the stage" for what the author thought up, instead of convincing anybody in a serious storytelling manner. That could of course just be the Manga trying to not strain the word count too much.

P.S. their entrance was also as flashy as can be, so it's also a stain on the "trying to lay low" explanation.

 

[groudonvert]

There has been no other conversation so far, so all the Manga readers are talking about this conversation. What other conversations might contain does not pertain to the point right now.

I mean, the fact Seras is supposed to be dead is not something new. The only person outside of Touka's circle who knows Seras is still alive is Cattlea (and probably the people close her circle).

As @Schernobyl mentioned, a bigger emphasis on why they left the "shadows", would have helped make this scene feel more real. One could suggest that MC confirming his feelings for Seras is reinforcing the point that it was Seras request, but as MC has been established as a scheming and honey trap talking person, it seems odd for him to have such a lackluster explanation for their.. "emergence from the shadows"

As thanks to Seras following him in his quest of revenge, Touka accepted to answer one selfish request if it's in his power (just after the stamped in the Land of Golden Eye Monsters). In this type of Isekai the selfish request is in general "Stay in this world." or "I want to follow you in your world." But in Failure Frame she wanted to save Cattlea Strauss and Touka agreed to help her.

With how it's presented in the Manga, it feels more like "setting the stage" for what the author thought up, instead of convincing anybody in a serious storytelling manner. That could of course just be the Manga trying to not strain the word count too much.

P.S. their entrance was also as flashy as can be, so it's also a stain on the "trying to lay low" explanation.

Well the Author set up the story in a way that Touka could impersonnate an Ashint Leader and have a new identity to hide himself. What could be considered as fillers (finding a Swordman, saving 2 slaves...) was actually a huge setup for this grand entrance.

 

[spaceludes]

The second half of this chapter probably won't expand on the conversation further.

So here's what was said in a little more detail:

Tldr: Seras says you guys are cool? You her main squeeze? Good enough for me, we won't pry and think too hard about your backstory.

Going into the battle Touka knew that their cover might get blown due to their exposure, but essentially, he said that they'll just have to ride out their luck.

These events correspond to chapters 189 and 190 which you all can Google for more information.

 

[groudonvert]

The second half of this chapter probably won't expand on the conversation further.

So here's what was said in a little more detail:

Tldr: Seras says you guys are cool? You her main squeeze? Good enough for me, we won't pry and think too hard about your backstory.

Going into the battle Touka knew that their cover might get blown due to their exposure, but essentially, he said that they'll just have to ride out their luck.

These events correspond to chapters 189 and 190 which you all can Google for more information.

The second part is the end of volume 5 (who finishes on a Cliffhanger like volume 4 lol).

 

[Khazar123]

...

So in the Novel there actually is an explanation for their flashy entrance, good to know, thank you for the snippets!
The Manga was just a bit too short and made the MC seem a little out of character.

I mean, the fact Seras is supposed to be dead is not something new. The only person outside of Touka's circle who knows Seras is still alive is Cattlea (and probably the people close her circle).



As thanks to Seras following him in his quest of revenge, Touka accepted to answer one selfish request if it's in his power (just after the stamped in the Land of Golden Eye Monsters). In this type of Isekai the selfish request is in general "Stay in this world." or "I want to follow you in your world." But in Failure Frame she wanted to save Cattlea Strauss and Touka agreed to help her.



Well the Author set up the story in a way that Touka could impersonnate an Ashint Leader and have a new identity to hide himself. What could be considered as fillers (finding a Swordman, saving 2 slaves...) was actually a huge setup for this grand entrance.

Nothing of what you said had anything to do with what I said.
I really tried to make my points as concise and clear as possible, but you managed to miss the point at every step.

I’m sorry, but you are living in your own little world. Goodbye.

 

[groudonvert]

Nothing of what you said had anything to do with what I said.
I really tried to make my points as concise and clear as possible, but you managed to miss the point at every step.

I’m sorry, but you are living in your own little world. Goodbye.

Well, what you fail to understand is that I base my explanations from what the world know, not what we, the readers, know... especially in a world where communications are lacking in many ways.
Why would the people in this world care about the grand entrance that makes no sense with their wish to be in the shadows (who by the way was only explained to Cattlea, who's far from being a fool) ? They saved their lives.

So I'm happy to live in a world where I can understand what people know and not in one where I expect people to know what they can not.

 

[groudonvert]

These events correspond to chapters 189 and 190 which you all can Google for more information.

That part is in the Manga by the way.