Hazure Waku no [Joutai Ijou Skill] de Saikyou ni Natta Ore ga Subete o Juurin Suru made - Ch. 56.1 - Sogou Ayaka

[MadScientist666]

We did not wish for the limelight... That's why we charged dramatically into the middle of a major battle, loudly announcing our identity to both armies and making flashy displays of power

Average workout session. Nothing special.

 

[Tsumi]

I think you misunderstand. I'm pointing out that by emphasizing why his "sect" (that wanted to remain hidden) came into the light needed to be stressed more. That it really only was for Seras and that she had a prominent position in the organization. Otherwise their "sect"would have stayed in the shadows. It keeps his Ashint cover but also plugs the hole in his story that @Mordenheim mentioned. The reason for leaving the shadows.

It actually doesn't, at least, not to the princess. The princess just needed a plausible cover story so they can spread the correct rumors and keep the story straight. She knows he has no actual relation to the Ashinto. If asked about why the Fly King Squadron revealed themselves that way, she cen either feign ignorance or come up with a suitable excuse like "they felt it was necessary."

Once again, he is not trying to deceive the princess, thus explaining more is unnecessary. Well, the novel goes a bit more in depth, but also does not really explain why they chose to appear flashily. Instead, the additional explanation in the novel comes off as reassurance that the aid was rendered primarily out of goodwill and additional details on the cover story to spread. He explains his motivations for using the Ashinto name to Eve in manga chapter 55.1 so there's no point in repeating it again.

 

[groudonvert]

It actually doesn't, at least, not to the princess. The princess just needed a plausible cover story so they can spread the correct rumors and keep the story straight. She knows he has no actual relation to the Ashinto. If asked about why the Fly King Squadron revealed themselves that way, she cen either feign ignorance or come up with a suitable excuse like "they felt it was necessary."

Once again, he is not trying to deceive the princess, thus explaining more is unnecessary. Well, the novel goes a bit more in depth, but also does not really explain why they chose to appear flashily. Instead, the additional explanation in the novel comes off as reassurance that the aid was rendered primarily out of goodwill and additional details on the cover story to spread. He explains his motivations for using the Ashinto name to Eve in manga chapter 55.1 so there's no point in repeating it again.

Don't bother to explain the obvious. I already tried.

 

[Mordenheim]

It actually doesn't, at least, not to the princess. The princess just needed a plausible cover story so they can spread the correct rumors and keep the story straight. She knows he has no actual relation to the Ashinto. If asked about why the Fly King Squadron revealed themselves that way, she cen either feign ignorance or come up with a suitable excuse like "they felt it was necessary."

I'm going to try for the last time.
The cover story is flawed and not really plausible, because it doesn't align with the actions of the Fly Squadron. Plain and simple.
AND
Since it's actually a fictional story, Touka could as well say that they are splinter/renegade group of Ashinto, trying to make name for themselves. The detail about wanting to stay in shadows was pretty much unnecessary and counterproductive, because it will raise questions.

And he is totally trying to deceive the princess... Why? Because there is no better lie than the one that people believe is the truth.

 

[groudonvert]

I'm going to try for the last time.
The cover story is flawed and not really plausible, because it doesn't align with the actions of the Fly Squadron. Plain and simple.
AND
Since it's actually a fictional story, Touka could as well say that they are splinter/renegade group of Ashinto, trying to make name for themselves. The detail about wanting to stay in shadows was pretty much unnecessary and counterproductive, because it will raise questions.

And he is totally trying to deceive the princess... Why? Because there is no better lie than the one that people believe is the truth.

I'll try again because I'm extremely patient -.-'

I checked the Light Novel, the Manga cut out some pieces of the conversation (or it wasn't translated correctly I don't know).

1. One Ashint faction wanted to govern the world in light, the others wanted to govern it in shadows.
2. Belzegea explains that the "Light" Ashint didn't let them go, but he doesn't explain what happen to them.
3. Belzegea intended to be hired as mercenary in Cattlea's Army (i think it was in an earlier chapter in the manga, but this chapter didn't bring it back, like the Light Novel does) and act in the shadow. But since there already was a battle, they didn't have a choice but to reveal themselves.


And all of this doesn't matter because :
1. Touka uses this Ashint stuff as a cover to hide his true identity.
2. The entire world thinks Ashint killed the Black Dragon Squad with curses.
3. They witnessed an Ashint member kills a high rank demon with his curses.
4. No matter the backstory he creates, they know his curse is not fake.

 

[Mordenheim]

And all of this doesn't matter because :
1. Touka uses this Ashint stuff as a cover to hide his true identity.

And this is where you fail in your reasoning:
When you are inventing a cover story for something, you want it to be as flawless as possible to prevent people asking unnecessary questions. And he is adding an unnecessary detail which makes his explanation flawed.
So no, it's precisely because this is supposed to be cover story that it matters what he said.

 

[groudonvert]

And this is where you fail in your reasoning:
When you are inventing a cover story for something, you want it to be as flawless as possible to prevent people asking unnecessary questions. And he is adding an unnecessary detail which makes his explanation flawed.
So no, it's precisely because this is supposed to be cover story that it matters what he said.

As I said the manga cut the explanation (who was given in chapter 48, so I guess they didn't want to repeat informations already given) of what they wanted to do, aka to be hired by the Neah Empire as Mercenary. Since the battle already started, they didn't have an other choice to show themselves, in hope of turning the battle the humanity was losing (and also to stop the humans to attack their allies, since they came with gollems). It's perfectly understandable they had to change their course of actions, even if they didn't want the spotlight.

And there's indeed a flaw in his cover, not the fact his faction wants to stay in the shadows... no it's the fact that if Vicius discovers Touka survived, his true identity would be discovered immediately (and he's lucky to have yet to be discovered since it's not something he can handle on his own).

 

[Mordenheim]

As I said the manga cut the explanation (who was given in chapter 48, so I guess they didn't want to repeat informations already given) of what they wanted to do, aka to be hired by the Neah Empire as Mercenary. Since the battle already started, they didn't have an other choice to show themselves, in hope of turning the battle the humanity was losing (and also to stop the humans to attack their allies, since they came with gollems). It's perfectly understandable they had to change their course of actions, even if they didn't want the spotlight.

And there's indeed a flaw in his cover, not the fact his faction wants to stay in the shadows... no it's the fact that if Vicius discovers Touka survived, his true identity would be discovered immediately (and he's lucky to have yet to be discovered since it's not something he can handle on his own).

But, in your own words, lol, the other Ashinto group doesn't exist. It's fictional story invented by Touka, yet this very story includes a flawed design: Like I said previously the 'stay in shadow' element is redudant here.
And since its real purpose is to hide Touka's identity, it's clearly counterproductive, because it increases the chances of Vicius finding the true identity of the Fly Squadron leader.

 

[groudonvert]

But, in your own words, lol, the other Ashinto group doesn't exist. It's fictional story invented by Touka, yet this very story includes a flawed design: Like I said previously the 'stay in shadow' element is redudant here.
And since its real purpose is to hide Touka's identity, it's clearly counterproductive, because it increases the chances of Vicius finding the true identity of the Fly Squadron leader.

And who will prove this other group doesn't exist ? ^^ They're all dead and their bodies can't be found either since Touka made them disappear.
No it doesn't increase the chance of her finding who's behind the mask. For one she has yet to discover about his escape and more importantly, she has other stuff in her mind (one of them being the fight against the Demon Empire). That's also one of the reasons why Hijiri was able to retrieve the information about Touka's escape under Vicius' nose.

 

[groudonvert]

I have other informations in mind that I conceal in purpose. His planning goes further than this, but it's yet to be revealed in the manga.

 

[Tsumi]

I'm going to try for the last time.
The cover story is flawed and not really plausible, because it doesn't align with the actions of the Fly Squadron. Plain and simple.
AND
Since it's actually a fictional story, Touka could as well say that they are splinter/renegade group of Ashinto, trying to make name for themselves. The detail about wanting to stay in shadows was pretty much unnecessary and counterproductive, because it will raise questions.

And he is totally trying to deceive the princess... Why? Because there is no better lie than the one that people believe is the truth.

If he were to introduce himself as a splinter/renegade group, it would come back to why that group hadn't operated the way they had before then. There would have been signs of it because splinter groups don't come out of nowhere; their actions increasingly deviate from the main group until the main group kicks them out. No matter what, a cover story will have holes when scrutinized closely. The goal is a cover story that raises the fewest number of questions.

The princess knows everything is a cover story for one crucial reason- the Ashinto had no reason to take in or protect Sera and every reason to kill her for the bounty on her head. A suitable explanation is what is needed, not deceiving the princess.

 

[groudonvert]

If he were to introduce himself as a splinter/renegade group, it would come back to why that group hadn't operated the way they had before then. There would have been signs of it because splinter groups don't come out of nowhere; their actions increasingly deviate from the main group until the main group kicks them out. No matter what, a cover story will have holes when scrutinized closely. The goal is a cover story that raises the fewest number of questions.

The princess knows everything is a cover story for one crucial reason- the Ashinto had no reason to take in or protect Sera and every reason to kill her for the bounty on her head. A suitable explanation is what is needed, not deceiving the princess.

The Ashint leader wanted to add Seras in her group.

 

[Shinigamisama]

Seras took so much critical damage that she got split in half.

 

[Tsumi]

The Ashint leader wanted to add Seras in her group.

Because he wanted to know who really killed Civit, and in any case, he had no intention of helping her (he was going to make her his slave to break her). She was never going to be a regular member of the group.

 

[groudonvert]

Because he wanted to know who really killed Civit, and in any case, he had no intention of helping her (he was going to make her his slave to break her). She was never going to be a regular member of the group.

He wanted to make her a member of his cult, not a slave.

 

[Tsumi]

He wanted to make her a member of his cult, not a slave.

IMO a forcefully brainwashed cult member is no different from a slave, unless you and I are interpreting chapter 30 very differently. In any case, it does not change the fact that he (and the Ashinto group in general) had no reason to help Seras nor would they have been kind enough to overlook the bounty on her head. He only considered taking her in because he wanted information on who killed the Black Dragon Knights.

 

[Kuroryu_21]

Thanks for the chapter