Hen na Ie - Vol. 5 Ch. 21

[noSpoiler]

The "actually there should be 4 victims" still bothers me a lot. The end of this arc hinted that Yoshie (ayano's and yuzuki's mother) could be the mastermind behind all recent katabuchi's "event". Because if it's true then the reason she asked yuzuki to reunite with her sister is to be the fourth victim right? since she also has branch family blood in her and the cursed child is still below 13 years old (I think). Also Yoshie's cry at the end can be implied that she's sorry to send yuzuki to be the fourth victim. Please someone tell me if I missed something. Or maybe I'm just thinking my as off because it was showed they all lived happily. Damn this manga hella good.

 

[Homura]

I admit I read quite quickly and skimmed some parts but didn't it say he was found dead having wondered into the woods because of dementia?
if he was murdered by the husband then idk why the husband wouldn't admit it since he was already admiting to killing the other guy.
If Yuzuki was really trying to get revenge on shigeharu then surely there's a bunch of other ways that don;'t involve tricking your own husband into murdering a child and forcing your own daughter to raise a a child to commit murder? like she could have burnt the house down while shigeharu slept or poisoned him while making meals for him or a bunch of other things.

crazy.
Also, what's the point in going to all those lengths to avoid having Touya commit murder when you're still forcing touya to live in a single fucking room with no windows for 4 years of his life???
That's still outrageous child abuse done just because your wife is scared of her rich grandfather. Seriously what the hell?
His plan should have just been "as soon as we get married and become guardians of Touya, we take him to a local journalist who helps write a story and then go to a child psychologist who does an evaluation on Touya to confirm that severe abuse has taken place because Touya has been raised in a single room his whole life and is on no official register and has never gone to school then go to the police."

Bish bash bosh. Seriously what is rich grandpa going to do? He isn't a mafia don. He's one eccentric loony with a sycophantic nephew.

You are mixing up 2 people there. It was never explained how Shigeharu died. The one with dementia was Fumino, the wife of Shigeharu.
This manga uses logic to explain small details quite well in the beginning which makes it even harder to accept the extremely large illogical plot holes towards the end.
I think the author came up with the murder house setting (which is pretty cool) first but couldn't follow through with a believable plot to back it up and wrote themselves into a corner. The more they tried to reconcile the plot with the initial setting the larger the plot holes became.
To use a house analogy, it's like building the exteriors of the house first and then trying to build the foundation and pillars of the house later.

 

[klooqy]

The "actually there should be 4 victims" still bothers me a lot. The end of this arc hinted that Yoshie (ayano's and yuzuki's mother) could be the mastermind behind all recent katabuchi's "event". Because if it's true then the reason she asked yuzuki to reunite with her sister is to be the fourth victim right? since she also has branch family blood in her and the cursed child is still below 13 years old (I think). Also Yoshie's cry at the end can be implied that she's sorry to send yuzuki to be the fourth victim. Please someone tell me if I missed something. Or maybe I'm just thinking my as off because it was showed they all lived happily. Damn this manga hella good.

if kurihara's right then yoshie hates the main family and wants to end the ritual for good. ayano and keita didn't kill anyone for the ritual so there were no proper victims to begin with; yoshie was probably just sorry that she made her daughters suffer for her revenge but she got what she wanted in the end

 

[vangstampede]

So it's true what the novel readers/reviewers on the internet have been saying; this story's resolution is weak af.

 

[Tsama0]

The "actually there should be 4 victims" still bothers me a lot. The end of this arc hinted that Yoshie (ayano's and yuzuki's mother) could be the mastermind behind all recent katabuchi's "event". Because if it's true then the reason she asked yuzuki to reunite with her sister is to be the fourth victim right? since she also has branch family blood in her and the cursed child is still below 13 years old (I think). Also Yoshie's cry at the end can be implied that she's sorry to send yuzuki to be the fourth victim. Please someone tell me if I missed something. Or maybe I'm just thinking my as off because it was showed they all lived happily. Damn this manga hella good.

When Kurihara said there were four victims, he was talking about Seikichi's sons (the guy with five wives). His first, third, and fourth sons were killed, and Kurihara was convinced there was one more victim. That particular victim has nothing to do with Ayano and Yuzuki, but Kurihara speculated that the fourth victim was their mother's great-uncle.

 

[the_Bear_from_Bearcave]

if kurihara's right then yoshie hates the main family and wants to end the ritual for good. ayano and keita didn't kill anyone for the ritual so there were no proper victims to begin with; yoshie was probably just sorry that she made her daughters suffer for her revenge but she got what she wanted in the end

You're correct from the POV of the characters as presented by the manga, but logically speaking, why didn't she just helped Misako alert police, and help her not get her kid taken, as well as alerting her side of family about ritual? It was more certain way to stop ritual, and far better for her kids, than just hoping that her daughter will magically find perfect future husband and won't instead break during her captivity/training, and actually commit the murders as grandpa intended, which would be the worst outcome for her?

And what would she do if there wasn't any arm-less kid in next generation, just give up on her revenge and spend rest of her life with people she hated? If she helped Misako get back to her family, and got her husband under control, then the grandpa wouldn't be able to do anything, since he doesn't have other heirs.

 

[Thawhidol]

As others have pointed out, there's a bunch of odd holes in the logic, as well as some leaps that make the ending a bit of a mess. Especially considering the sort of methodical thinking and plotting from the earlier chapters, this sort of stuff stands out all the more and I can't really defend it. What I will say is that what this manga does really well is build up a sense of dread to the point that it feels oppressive. Like hell, with just some architectural diagrams and hypotheticals, reading this made my chest feel tight with worry and concern. I feel like that's something to be impressed by.

I wonder if the problems in the story come from its origins as a creepypasta that was then expanded into a fuller story. I wonder how the author would handle a story that is plotted out from the beginning.

 

[eletricliver]

read the officially translated novel recently and this adaptation feels more cohesive and has a slightly happier ending if you can believe it.

in the novel they never visit the grandparents' house or meet keita; all that time is spent talking with kurihara in a rented conference room. kurihara points out at the end that there's no proof that keita's letter was written by him and that it's weird for him to go so far for his high school sweetheart, and he thinks keita was somehow just as trapped as ayano was. he also speculates in the epilogue that keita is the unidentified dismembered corpse from the tokyo house

this is where the novel ends; the continuation is probably an adaptation of the sequel that's supposed to be published in english next year

That's not true, what translation did you read? By what i remember this ending is 1:1 with the original book, nothing changed.

 

[klooqy]

That's not true, what translation did you read? By what i remember this ending is 1:1 with the original book, nothing changed.

the recently released translation by jim rion? if the ending was changed for the translation I would have no idea about that

 

[klooqy]

You're correct from the POV of the characters as presented by the manga, but logically speaking, why didn't she just helped Misako alert police, and help her not get her kid taken, as well as alerting her side of family about ritual? It was more certain way to stop ritual, and far better for her kids, than just hoping that her daughter will magically find perfect future husband and won't instead break during her captivity/training, and actually commit the murders as grandpa intended, which would be the worst outcome for her?

And what would she do if there wasn't any arm-less kid in next generation, just give up on her revenge and spend rest of her life with people she hated? If she helped Misako get back to her family, and got her husband under control, then the grandpa wouldn't be able to do anything, since he doesn't have other heirs.

oh absolutely agreed that there are a bunch of holes in the reasoning and it sort of falls apart in the last third. I'm just talking about yoshie's base motive of hating the main family; trying to explain her actions is a whole other matter

 

[Yuyu_yusha]

A lot of you think Kurihara (light-haired architect/armchiar detective) is up to something. He actually shows up in Hen Na E (Strange Pictures) in a very similar role (and back in his college days), which is to introduce a mystery, drop some hints, and let the MC figure out the rest. As another reader pointed out, he's a plot device, and I don't see much evidence of him being more than that.

AH! No wonder i feel similar vibe like i have seen the dude from this manga, but i just for the love of God can't remember his name. That's a nice nod off to this manga.

 

[EchoGirl]

'short notice' i mean a job's a job unless he meant that he called their office like five mins before closing and made the agent scramble to meet him

This should tagged horror, jfc.

Does have the tag now but i assume some ppl just kept it as thriller

AH! No wonder i feel similar vibe like i have seen the dude from this manga, but i just for the love of God can't remember his name. That's a nice nod off to this manga.

Another person did comment that it was teh author's self insert?
which i guess might be convenient if they don't wanna make himself look more sus as opposed to just being a semi narrator/facilitator to move the story ahead

11 floor plans? All at once or 11 new arcs lol

 

[Setsura]

You're correct from the POV of the characters as presented by the manga, but logically speaking, why didn't she just helped Misako alert police, and help her not get her kid taken, as well as alerting her side of family about ritual? It was more certain way to stop ritual, and far better for her kids, than just hoping that her daughter will magically find perfect future husband and won't instead break during her captivity/training, and actually commit the murders as grandpa intended, which would be the worst outcome for her?

And what would she do if there wasn't any arm-less kid in next generation, just give up on her revenge and spend rest of her life with people she hated? If she helped Misako get back to her family, and got her husband under control, then the grandpa wouldn't be able to do anything, since he doesn't have other heirs.

There are two possible way of looming at this. First off, is that Kurihara is merely talking out of his ass about Yoshie marrying the main family on purpose. Like he said, it's just a speculation, and so it can be wrong. After all he is already wrong about his initial deduction that the handless kid is committing murders. Second is that it can be that Yoshie realises she is way out of her depths after marrying into the family, and thus tries to get her win conditions slowly and steadily using whatever she can. Of course what her win conditions is we can never know for sure, whether it's just to stop the rituals or to destroy the main family or just Shigeharu. In a way the novel and this manga arc end the same way, in quite the open ending so readers can be free to assume what actually happened.

 

[SUPER7X]

Uh, so it will be all manga original houses now that the novel ended per above? I feel like if they are gonna churn out stories for the manga dateline then the quality gonna be meh but time will tell I suppose.

This was a shitty way to end things, but at least it did get a proper resolution. Not sure why it's going to continue, though?

No, they aren't manga-original. The novel got a sequel: Strange Houses 2 ~11 Floorplans~. After finishing the 1st book, this manga adaption is simply continuing right along with the 2nd.