Hige wo Soru. Soshite Joshikousei wo Hirou. - Vol. 13 Ch. 64

[Tymo]

I like how they are ending this arc, but I really want Yoshida to move away from Sayu and this family. Guy deserves better

Nobody in this manga really deserves the guy, everyone is kinda an asshole to him because they're frustrated with their emotions and don't know how to communicate. Like, literally all the other girls except Sayu are assholes dumping their own emotional agenda on him, and the worst is that the manga makes it seem like he's in the wrong for not solving it.

The difference to Sayu's situation is that she didn't demand him to solve her problems like the others.

 

[higehiro_lover]

I think I missed the memo. What new rules?

On the upload page you have to tick a checkbox saying that you own or otherwise allowed to use the copyright of what you're sharing. Which is kinda absurd.

 

[SilverMajeh]

That's it? This Mother ruined her Daughter's life, she just gets away with it?

Do you want something to happen to her as revenge or something?

The characters resolved the problems they have by actually facing each other. In this very chapter, we got an look into what caused the mom to act the way she did in the past and a resolution to her fight with her daughter. She failed and so did the brother but they are now willing to help Sayu in her future. Even letting her chose her direction in life after she is able to stand on her own feet. Sayu herself changed from the time she escaped and now understands things she would have never understood back then. Which is why she can face her mother.

Forgiveness and moving forward is the best course of action for the characters to follow. Grabbing into previous wrong-doings will ignore all what the story have been building up towards.

 

[Tap2]

Do you want something to happen to her as revenge or something?

The characters resolved the problems they have by actually facing each other. In this very chapter, we got an look into what caused the mom to act the way she did in the past and a resolution to her fight with her daughter. She failed and so did the brother but they are now willing to help Sayu in her future. Even letting her chose her direction in life after she is able to stand on her own feet. Sayu herself changed from the time she escaped and now understands things she would have never understood back then. Which is why she can face her mother.

Forgiveness and moving forward is the best course of action for the characters to follow. Grabbing into previous wrong-doings will ignore all what the story have been building up towards.

You're right, so far as it goes, but the risk is that the mother will fall back into old patterns, since she hasn't accepted (at least openly) that she was at fault, for not just abandoning her daughter, but actively mistreating her by laying the blame for the bad relationship of mother and father, plus the father abandoning the family - all on the daughter/Sayu.
So long as the mother stays in this deluded (actually insane) mindset, and isn't removed from interacting with Sayu (and the brother), there is a grave risk of patterns reemerging.
Also, if you are a parent, you have a responsibility for your children. The mother simply ignored that. She seems to have acknowledged that to some extent, but by removing Yoshida from the equation, there are no strong checks on her not falling back into treating Sayu badly again.
Sayu will need quite a bit of support when going back to high school, whether that is the old one, or a new one, and since what happened was widely published, and her old class mates will be there, albeit as seniors, there will still be potential bullies, especially since there has been no accounting for what actually happened, and they seem to be of the type who attack, they may well choose to do so in order to preemptively deflect any criticism of them/accounting of their actions.
Teachers and administrative organization at the school have also failed utterly, so that's another lacking support pillar.
Same goes for society at large, whether it be police, therapists, neighbors, or news media.
So she could really use Yoshida at her side.
It would be interesting to see how this is handled.
I hope this continues to be published, and it's sad to see those chapters were removed from here.

Oh! I guess everyone's read "A Silent Voice"? That one doesn't start out with as flashy a premise as this one. No click-baity JK/salaryman things ...
It does suffer from a bit of the manga histrionics, and twitchy expressions of feelings, but hey, who am I to say anything. I don't live in Asia.
Still, that one is really good.

 

[Tap2]

The mom in the future: I wonder why my kids send me off to a nursing home?

The mother should actually have been sent of to some sort of psychiatric institution long ago.
She's clearly needed help to move on from the abandonment, and in the absence of that, she took out her grief and anger on the daughter. And the brother isn't strong enough to do anything about it, unfortunately.
The company should have seen the train wreck approaching, but I guess the brother covered everything up. This is where he is especially culpable - I get he's running the company, but then he should understand he can't take care of mother and sister/Sayu, and should get the mother into professional care.
As for Sayu, the above wouldn't have solved everything for her, but
a) without traumas from home, maybe she wouldn't have started sliding away from social contacts at all, or at least not to the same extent
b) at least Sayu might have felt that she could at least try bringing up her problems "at home", whether that be to her brother, or some staff her brother had hired (they clearly have the money for it). That would have gone a long way toward solving issues when they still could be solved.
The brother truly effed up, by not doing anything when his mother went off the rails. And sure, he is young, but hey, he's old enough to run an apparently pretty large company? He should be able to shut down his feelings just a bit with his mother. That's one of the core abilities for capitalists, you know?

 

[Tap2]

First - cultures will be cultures. They can change over time, but it usually isn't a fast process.
Also, they aren't monolithic, so it's not like "this is how Japan is", but rather "this is a facet of how things might be viewed in some Japanese circles".
I would recommend 3 films by Yasujiro Ozu, one of Japan's greatest film makers, the "Noriko trilogy" (starring Setsuko Hara):
Late Spring (1949),
Early Summer (1951) and
Tokyo Story (1953)
They all discuss societal change (after WW2, but not just), with people moving to the cities, weakening ties between generations (daughters maybe choosing their own lives, rather than staying to take care of an elderly parent), and so on.
They side with the conservative view that looks at the positive sides of familial ties, close knit social fabrics in villages, and so on - quite seducing, if you aren't aware of what the director is doing. Especially since he does show that those old ways are removing choice for the younger generation, and those gaining from them (old father, etc) are depicted as feeling they are unfair burdens, etc. So you don't get as clear negatives as in this manga ...
Fantastic films, but one needs to be aware, and not just absorb the message.

AND they are relevant to this manga, since it does have the themes of how we as a society, whether it be as families, friends, fellow men, or maybe "village", "city", or "country/civilization/culture", handle crises, where people hurt, and need help.
These are worthy subjects of discussion for a society. THIS is (one of) the great reasons for all forms of culture.

The potential changes, whether slow or fast (the above is clearly still going on in Japan) need discussion.
And we are part of it right now, right here.
So let's be kind to one another - but also straight, true, and clear, if you ask me.

 

[Tap2]

Consider all the manga (or manwha) where a high school student is depicted as living alone, while parents are working (or whatever) abroad.
Clearly Sayu could have been provided a life apart from her sick mother.
The family company is shown to be rich and powerful, so it should even have been possible to have staff around who could help her.
It shouldn't even be problematic to say (in public, I mean) "Oh, the mother had a bit of a nervous breakdown, so she's away at this spa-like place to recover", which would remove any social stigma for company or family.
This rests on the shoulders of the brother.
Sure, he's young, but hey, apparently he's running/learning to run that company. If he can't be callous/look beyond his feelings, he shouldn't aspire to a capitalist career.
Also, by failing to do anything, he super failed when it comes to the weakest, most defenseless person involved - his own younger sister.
So he's chosen to fail helping his sick mother, and thus failed to help his sister.
Passivity isn't always good.

That said - hey, there would be no (or another) story if he'd done something more sensible.

This is an interesting manga just through presenting questions that make us think about individual/societal issues.
(And if it did so by using a click-baity manga theme, then so be it. )

 

[Darklight99]

Do you want something to happen to her as revenge or something?

The characters resolved the problems they have by actually facing each other. In this very chapter, we got an look into what caused the mom to act the way she did in the past and a resolution to her fight with her daughter. She failed and so did the brother but they are now willing to help Sayu in her future. Even letting her chose her direction in life after she is able to stand on her own feet. Sayu herself changed from the time she escaped and now understands things she would have never understood back then. Which is why she can face her mother.

Forgiveness and moving forward is the best course of action for the characters to follow. Grabbing into previous wrong-doings will ignore all what the story have been building up towards.

Some stuff can never be forgiven, what the Mother did was unforgivable, she deserves nothing good to happen to her ever.

 

[Wichossj]

Thanks for the TL. But no one told her he's going home - without her.

Wdym? She was told she was staying there until graduation at least. And both her and Yoshida knew what this return home meant.

 

[omuricescans]

It's even weirder because, in other instances, what they did was locking them up under an Unavailable checkbox. Here, the chapters are nowhere to be even trackable.

The locking thing is done my mangadex. But in this case I removed it to avoid any legal complications. Still available on [REDACTED] and our official website omuricescans.art

 

[SilverMajeh]

You're right, so far as it goes, but the risk is that the mother will fall back into old patterns, since she hasn't accepted (at least openly) that she was at fault, for not just abandoning her daughter, but actively mistreating her by laying the blame for the bad relationship of mother and father, plus the father abandoning the family - all on the daughter/Sayu.
So long as the mother stays in this deluded (actually insane) mindset, and isn't removed from interacting with Sayu (and the brother), there is a grave risk of patterns reemerging.
Also, if you are a parent, you have a responsibility for your children. The mother simply ignored that. She seems to have acknowledged that to some extent, but by removing Yoshida from the equation, there are no strong checks on her not falling back into treating Sayu badly again.
Sayu will need quite a bit of support when going back to high school, whether that is the old one, or a new one, and since what happened was widely published, and her old class mates will be there, albeit as seniors, there will still be potential bullies, especially since there has been no accounting for what actually happened, and they seem to be of the type who attack, they may well choose to do so in order to preemptively deflect any criticism of them/accounting of their actions.
Teachers and administrative organization at the school have also failed utterly, so that's another lacking support pillar.
Same goes for society at large, whether it be police, therapists, neighbors, or news media.
So she could really use Yoshida at her side.
It would be interesting to see how this is handled.
I hope this continues to be published, and it's sad to see those chapters were removed from here.

Oh! I guess everyone's read "A Silent Voice"? That one doesn't start out with as flashy a premise as this one. No click-baity JK/salaryman things ...
It does suffer from a bit of the manga histrionics, and twitchy expressions of feelings, but hey, who am I to say anything. I don't live in Asia.
Still, that one is really good.

I don't understand why you have to assume that things would go bad again or that they will repeat their mistakes even after confronting their mistakes. The manga ends in three chapters and there is no indication that things will go sour again.

Some stuff can never be forgiven, what the Mother did was unforgivable, she deserves nothing good to happen to her ever.

That's your personal belief and you are free to hold it as such. But the characters and writing have both been consistent on this resolution. This was the best ending for Sayu's quarrel with her mom, and the one she was looking for.

 

[fight2live]

well, it's a new start

 

[lostdrewid]

Yes.

Also think of the mental health of the mother. She broke and then took it out on her daughter. Not a good thing, but it's kind of simple minded to then want to punish the mother. I hated my mother at a certain point in my life because she was very difficult to deal with. I left home and years later, after a burnout at work, I got therapy and also learned to deal with my mother issues. I learned to also look at it from her side. Then I learned about all the emotional baggage she carried (when I talked with her again after years of not contacting her).....and it was a lot. It explained a LOT. I forgave her and started talking to her again 18 years ago. She mellowed out. And I'm glad that I did because she died last year.

What am trying to say, NOTHING is black and white, it just isn't. Yes the mom was terrible, but again with a reason. Unfortunately life isn't simple. (Sorry for the whole story but I was triggered by that responce.)

Also, I dislike some aspects of asain culture so much. The whole losing face, the whole you have to honor your seniors, bleh it repulses me.

Anyways thanks for the update.

Your life and mine are so very painfully similar, but my mother never actually apologized. She explained everything in her life that made her the way she was... but she still never actually apologized for a damn thing. Yes, her mental health was in the gutter. Yes, she was the victim of so much abuse and neglect in her life, from people who should have been there to protect and cherish her... but that still doesn't absolve her for abusing her children. I decided on her death bed to forgive her, for my sake more than hers, but that forgiveness always had an asterisk on it, and I wouldn't erase that asterisk for any reason.

This fictional mother does not deserve forgiveness as she stands in the story. She can stuff her self pity right up her ass where it belongs. And the brother, with his "refusing to take a side", can go with her. Refusing to take a side between abuser and abused is taking the side of the abuser.

You're right in that none of this is black and white. But while I can understand both of their motivations, I can still firmly say they both deserve each other, and the daughter deserves infinitely better than to spend two more years with her abuser.

 

[YamiRi]

I'm glad we are nearing the end of this.
Now either kouhai or senpai ending is okay
don't give me Sayu ending or ex-girlfriend ending at the end.

 

[Shamanfox]

Thanks for the TL!

 

[LeonsamaX]

Goddamn it I was 10 chapters behind 😭

 

[Tsumi]

Do you want something to happen to her as revenge or something?

The characters resolved the problems they have by actually facing each other. In this very chapter, we got an look into what caused the mom to act the way she did in the past and a resolution to her fight with her daughter. She failed and so did the brother but they are now willing to help Sayu in her future. Even letting her chose her direction in life after she is able to stand on her own feet. Sayu herself changed from the time she escaped and now understands things she would have never understood back then. Which is why she can face her mother.

Forgiveness and moving forward is the best course of action for the characters to follow. Grabbing into previous wrong-doings will ignore all what the story have been building up towards.

My issue is that it doesn't feel earned. The forgiveness and reconciliation doesn't feel earned. The lack of real consequences for the mother makes everything feel hollow, regardless of her backstory. If they want to avoid having legal consequences, then maybe something like a college fund out of the mother's personal assets that Sayu can access anytime and her mother can't touch.

I've also said this in previous chapters- it sends the wrong message on how to deal with abusers. There should not be a no strings attached forgiveness. The person watching out for the well-being of the abused should not be cut out.

At least it was realistic in that they recognize the mother could relapse and they would try to deal with it better if it does happen.

 

[SilverMajeh]

My issue is that it doesn't feel earned. The forgiveness and reconciliation doesn't feel earned. The lack of real consequences for the mother makes everything feel hollow, regardless of her backstory. If they want to avoid having legal consequences, then maybe something like a college fund out of the mother's personal assets that Sayu can access anytime and her mother can't touch.

I've also said this in previous chapters- it sends the wrong message on how to deal with abusers. There should not be a no strings attached forgiveness. The person watching out for the well-being of the abused should not be cut out.

At least it was realistic in that they recognize the mother could relapse and they would try to deal with it better if it does happen.

If you didn't fulfillment from the outcome that's fine. I personally don't think the series had the best writing during its entire run but I think this disagreement was handled in the best way possible for both parties. Sometimes you have to forgive and forget, keeping scores hold you back and that's something Sayu does not want.