Hige wo Soru. Soshite Joshikousei wo Hirou. - Vol. 13 Ch. 66 - Now lets turn and face our future

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Why is Yoshida talking about his 40s suddenly lol? wasnt he like 26-28 throughout the series or something? Sayu isnt gonna take 15 years to get her life together or whatever

That line of thought was weird and doesnt make any sense

Right!?! Like, dude, she'll be back in what, 3 or 4 years tops? It's not like she's shipping off to WWII and you may never see her again. What is it with Japan and acting like late 20's early to mid 30's is already mid-life?

Anyway, glad he stayed an adult at the end there.
 
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Right!?! Like, dude, she'll be back in what, 3 or 4 years tops? It's not like she's shipping off to WWII and you may never see her again. What is it with Japan and acting like late 20's early to mid 30's is already mid-life?

Anyway, glad he stayed an adult at the end there.
yeah the way it was handled is fine, it makes sense but it was really weird justification, Its like the author forgot the setting of his own series lol, dont think its a Japanese thing this time just because of how off it sounded to me.

Either some translation problems or author made a mistake, wonder if LN had the same stuff.
 
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Why is Yoshida talking about his 40s suddenly lol? wasnt he like 26-28 throughout the series or something? Sayu isnt gonna take 15 years to get her life together or whatever

That line of thought was weird and doesnt make any sense
I think he's assuming that she's going to finish school, go to college and try to start a career or something and that's going to take longer than just finishing high school and becoming an adult. Also, it's kinda realistic to expect a teenager to not fully know themselves until well into their 20's or even later (like late 20's or early 30's). So by the time she's finally become a fully realized adult, he's going have been ground down by society for a bit more than he already has been, would have already been married or thinking bout if it's worth it at that point in his life, etc etc.
So, yeah, the thought process is weird but I kinda appreciate it. There's more to being grown than just what the legal system thinks is an adult and whatnot. You gotta have experience living for yourself to fully get yourself.
 
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I think he's assuming that she's going to finish school, go to college and try to start a career or something and that's going to take longer than just finishing high school and becoming an adult. Also, it's kinda realistic to expect a teenager to not fully know themselves until well into their 20's or even later (like late 20's or early 30's). So by the time she's finally become a fully realized adult, he's going have been ground down by society for a bit more than he already has been, would have already been married or thinking bout if it's worth it at that point in his life, etc etc.
So, yeah, the thought process is weird but I kinda appreciate it. There's more to being grown than just what the legal system thinks is an adult and whatnot. You gotta have experience living for yourself to fully get yourself.
Exactly! It seemed strange in writing, but when I thought about my friends and myself, 15 years is pretty realistic. We all partied hard after high school, then college/military, and into our early 30s before we figured our own lives out and settled down.
Yoshida gave the most realistic and mature reply I've seen - probably ever. He wants her to live her life and to grow into an individual. She'll never get to experience so many things if she is chained down by Yoshida. It's a one-way ticket to regrets and "what ifs" when you get older.
 
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Good.. now that Sayu is gone, it is time for Gotou vs kouhai. Forget about Sayu and your ex, Yoshida.
 
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I think he's assuming that she's going to finish school, go to college and try to start a career or something and that's going to take longer than just finishing high school and becoming an adult. Also, it's kinda realistic to expect a teenager to not fully know themselves until well into their 20's or even later (like late 20's or early 30's). So by the time she's finally become a fully realized adult, he's going have been ground down by society for a bit more than he already has been, would have already been married or thinking bout if it's worth it at that point in his life, etc etc.
So, yeah, the thought process is weird but I kinda appreciate it. There's more to being grown than just what the legal system thinks is an adult and whatnot. You gotta have experience living for yourself to fully get yourself.

15 years ish is still too much, if she needs till she’s 33 or something till her life is together, she messed up big time at Uni and sucks at the corporate life/whatever she wants to do which is also a weird assumption

I am not talking about legal age and stuff, just that the justification didnt make any sense, could’ve just said the standard she will meet more people and i dont want to tie her down
 
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15 years ish is still too much, if she needs till she’s 33 or something till her life is together, she messed up big time at Uni and sucks at the corporate life/whatever she wants to do which is also a weird assumption

I am not talking about legal age and stuff, just that the justification didnt make any sense, could’ve just said the standard she will meet more people and i dont want to tie her down
Life isn't a clear cut thing. It could take someone a long time to "figure it out". MAYBE she does get it done in her 20's. Maybe it'll take her to her 40's.
Regardless, as messy as the framing is, it is SO IMPORTANT to say that, hey, they are so divorced in life experience and time will continue to keep that gap too massive for any type of romantic relationship to ever be realistic. He will always be decades ahead of her and she will always be lagging behind. I think the way he said it really shocks the reader into thinking about things in different terms cause usual stories like this WOULD try to end things with her getting out of high school, maybe going to college, and them being together and being happy when that very premise is kinda fucked from the beginning and wouldn't really be "viable" in the long run.
 
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I hope that in the final chapter when they'll inevitably meet again we'll be given a clear answer if they'll get together and not some ambiguous "it's up to the readers to decide which ending fits the most".
 
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Life isn't a clear cut thing. It could take someone a long time to "figure it out". MAYBE she does get it done in her 20's. Maybe it'll take her to her 40's.
Regardless, as messy as the framing is, it is SO IMPORTANT to say that, hey, they are so divorced in life experience and time will continue to keep that gap too massive for any type of romantic relationship to ever be realistic. He will always be decades ahead of her and she will always be lagging behind. I think the way he said it really shocks the reader into thinking about things in different terms cause usual stories like this WOULD try to end things with her getting out of high school, maybe going to college, and them being together and being happy when that very premise is kinda fucked from the beginning and wouldn't really be "viable" in the long run.
Taking a long time to “figure it out” is not the norm, most people find a stable job by mid to late 20s

i dont know why you are trying to insert rare what ifs, no one who’s been through what she has would mess around in their 20s
 
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Eh it's still a bit weird. I assume the author is still young too, so he doesn't know better.

I mean, "a proper adult" is such great response, but I would say even 25 (8 years from current timeline) is plenty proper, no need for 15 years. You just get out of university, fool around with money from first full time job for 2-3 years and typically started to think about future (career, family, dream) at that age. Personally I called 25 as "real adult".

It means Sayu would be 25 and Yoshida is in 34. 30's is common age to marry in japan and mid 20's is prime age to marry. it's such perfect fit. Even society wouldn't say much about it and it will be less so with age.
 
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Life isn't a clear cut thing. It could take someone a long time to "figure it out". MAYBE she does get it done in her 20's. Maybe it'll take her to her 40's.
And she can't enter a relationship throughout that time why, exactly?

Regardless, as messy as the framing is, it is SO IMPORTANT to say that, hey, they are so divorced in life experience and time will continue to keep that gap too massive for any type of romantic relationship to ever be realistic. He will always be decades ahead of her and she will always be lagging behind.
First, they have, what, twelve years of difference in age.
Second, maturity or experience do not equal age. Some people are immature at forty; others get more life experience than they know what to do with when they're too young to drink.
Third, plenty of couples with more than a dozen years of difference that work out fine.
Generally, this modern-age American idea that a woman upon reaching the age of majority is capable of making decisions like doing sex work ("sex work is work!!!") or making abortions ("her body, her choice!!"), but is somehow incapable of picking her partners, if she happens to prefer older men, is patently absurd.

I think the way he said it really shocks the reader into thinking about things in different terms cause usual stories like this WOULD try to end things with her getting out of high school, maybe going to college, and them being together and being happy when that very premise is kinda fucked from the beginning and wouldn't really be "viable" in the long run.
Yoshida is right to let Sayu go, so that she doesn't feel bound and obligated; but if time passes and her feelings do not change, there is literally not a single reason why they shouldn't be able to enter a successful relationship.
 
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Right!?! Like, dude, she'll be back in what, 3 or 4 years tops? It's not like she's shipping off to WWII and you may never see her again. What is it with Japan and acting like late 20's early to mid 30's is already mid-life?

Anyway, glad he stayed an adult at the end there.
He literally explains that it's about being an independent adult, not just over 18
 
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And she can't enter a relationship throughout that time why, exactly?
Not with him, is my point. She absolutely can meet and date other people and those people are going to add to her experience and understanding of who she is and what she wants out of life but, like, it would probably be better for someone so young to date someone her own age vs someone like the protag.

Second, maturity or experience do not equal age. Some people are immature at forty; others get more life experience than they know what to do with when they're too young to drink.
Yeah, fully agree with all this and this is my argument from the get go. Maturity is not equal to someone's age. The legal definition of "an adult" is also a piss poor way to gauge someone's ability TO BE an adult as well. I've made the exact argument that people sometimes "figure themselves out" WAY later in life than the common understanding of when that should happen. Life is messy AF, there's no singular right path. We need to be more flexible with our understanding of "adulthood" and realize that maybe it happens later than we think it does normally.

Third, plenty of couples with more than a dozen years of difference that work out fine.
Generally, this modern-age American idea that a woman upon reaching the age of majority is capable of making decisions like doing sex work ("sex work is work!!!") or making abortions ("her body, her choice!!"), but is somehow incapable of picking her partners, if she happens to prefer older men, is patently absurd.
This.... I don't agree with because that's not the thing we're grappling with here. This isn't an Americanism, this is how human psychology is. It doesn't matter that's she's a girl, this same issue is present for boys too. Maturity takes time AND experience. The lead male protag is WAY more experienced in life than the female protag. There's a LARGE disparity in experience here. He is ALWAYS going to be ahead in life experience and also physiological changes. She hasn't had time at all to experience life. She's had some terrible stuff happen, had terrible people in her life (including her own mother), but she hasn't fully grappled with all that. This is what the story is about.
There is also the tropes that these type of stories always arrive too. There's a reason that I was personally dreading this confession, because I've read too many stories where a younger person in their teens meets and older person in their 30's and the younger person confesses and insists and two just get together and the story ends with a happy tone. It's kinda gross.
Finally, once again, life is complex and not clear cut. There is a good difference between someone in their teens/20's dating someone else that in their 30's/40's vs someone that's in their 30's dating someone in their 40's (or just move both ages 10 years forward). Once again, I personally believe that maturity takes more time than people give it credit and for a person to be "fully formed" it might take them well into their 30's.
But there is not firm rule to this stuff, this is all just gut feelings and experience. My own experiences are heavily coloring my arguments here but I have see a lot of people get taken advantage of well into their 20's by older people (mostly men).
Yoshida is right to let Sayu go, so that she doesn't feel bound and obligated; but if time passes and her feelings do not change, there is literally not a single reason why they shouldn't be able to enter a successful relationship.
This depends on what happens during the time skip. If she just kept her head down and didn't really interact with others or date people and try to understand more of herself, then no I don't agree. But if she did put herself out there and TRIED to relate to more people and got some good life experiences, then yeah. It just REALLY depends on what this story is trying to shoot for. Right now, I'm happy where it's landed but we still have more plot to go. This still has room to be greater than what it is or worse. We'll see.
 
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Sayu going through what she did and then confronting her mother made her more grown-up than a lot of so-called adults I know. I just wish Yoshida would acknowledge that. Too bad he's a fictional character and I can't argue with him to his face.
 
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Good.. now that Sayu is gone, it is time for Gotou vs kouhai. Forget about Sayu and your ex, Yoshida.
I hope that in the final chapter when they'll inevitably meet again we'll be given a clear answer if they'll get together and not some ambiguous "it's up to the readers to decide which ending fits the most".
As someone who’s read the novels… → :kek::kek::kek::kek::kek::kek:
 

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