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@Sleepii—
The term “pedantic” as defined in standard dictionaries is an insult. You might as well claim that it is a matter of another person's prerogative whether they perceive “motherfucker” as an insult. But my point, which you ducked, was that it was absurd for you to claim that anyone were attempting pedantry.
I have identified two ways that Yuri's character was objectively distinct, focusing on one. It is a desperate move for you to point to her brothers as sharing the distinction, because the issue is of course distinction from a typical manga character. (There are also the points that the brother with whom she had lived did not make an appearance for a while, and that we didn't see that the other brother possessed those attributes.)
Yuri's mental toolkit isn't somehow something that was there only for those who appreciated it. It is an objective distinction.
Indeed “I like the flavor” is a different claim from “there is a flavor”, but no one can actually like a flavor that isn't there; meanwhile, you keep trying to pretend that your not liking a flavor proves, despite its discernibility, that it isn't there, as if you were confusing sufficiency and necessity.
Had you entered discussion not making objectively false claims about distinctiveness (and not speculating foolishly about why I said that the art were worse) then your original comment would amount to no more than that you didn't care for Yuri's character, an assertion which wouldn't merit more than a shrug in response. But you wanted to make more than a purely subjective assertion, which is why you wrote of her as being no more than a character who chased her brother for 50 chapters, a claim about something objective, but a false claim. Since that claim was shown to be false, you've been trying to retreat to a motte, but the attempted retreat has had you absurdly confusing distinguishability with desirability.
The term “pedantic” as defined in standard dictionaries is an insult. You might as well claim that it is a matter of another person's prerogative whether they perceive “motherfucker” as an insult. But my point, which you ducked, was that it was absurd for you to claim that anyone were attempting pedantry.
I have identified two ways that Yuri's character was objectively distinct, focusing on one. It is a desperate move for you to point to her brothers as sharing the distinction, because the issue is of course distinction from a typical manga character. (There are also the points that the brother with whom she had lived did not make an appearance for a while, and that we didn't see that the other brother possessed those attributes.)
Yuri's mental toolkit isn't somehow something that was there only for those who appreciated it. It is an objective distinction.
Indeed “I like the flavor” is a different claim from “there is a flavor”, but no one can actually like a flavor that isn't there; meanwhile, you keep trying to pretend that your not liking a flavor proves, despite its discernibility, that it isn't there, as if you were confusing sufficiency and necessity.
Had you entered discussion not making objectively false claims about distinctiveness (and not speculating foolishly about why I said that the art were worse) then your original comment would amount to no more than that you didn't care for Yuri's character, an assertion which wouldn't merit more than a shrug in response. But you wanted to make more than a purely subjective assertion, which is why you wrote of her as being no more than a character who chased her brother for 50 chapters, a claim about something objective, but a false claim. Since that claim was shown to be false, you've been trying to retreat to a motte, but the attempted retreat has had you absurdly confusing distinguishability with desirability.
