Horimiya - Vol. 4 Ch. 25 - Can't Say

[itsAC1701]

woah he already claimed miyamura as his son-in-law lmao

 

[Ghekor]

@JustCallMeDaBoss the dad is quite good actually,he works a lot and thus why he is gone for long periods of time from home which is completely different from what a dead beat parent is, basically both her parents are overworked which fits well with what the japanese work life is all about and why japan has a huge population decline atm its quite realistic

 

[Vonless]

Sad, they skip this scene

 

[narutos_bae]

why did they skipped the tongue twister part in the anime ((((((((((((((((((

 

[NezNumerus174]

I..... kinda want to learn the father's love story. He really is an interesting character.

 

[Clikuki]

@narutos_bae the VA's probably had problems saying the tongue twisters

 

[Jevanka926]

gosh, the parents looked so cute together, I'd definitely read their story if they had one

 

[apstorm]

I think Hori's parents are both horrible parents but theyre good people, both pretty funny too.

Dad's right thats the person her daughter chose so might as well trust her, but then again forget if he even knows enough about her to trust her hes been so little with her i dont really think he has any right to start giving her shit right?

@justcallmedaboss you're right in a sense. They're not the best parents. Mother is always away to work and rarely home, and her dad was away all this time and is way too carefree with air of lack of responsibility. But at the same time, they're not the worst either. Mother is doing what she can to work and raise her family by bringing in the money, and ... the dad is honestly the shittiest one out of all of them, but they never really did go into why he left and they never do go into that in the future either. I guess there was some kind of history, but still you shouldn't leave your kids like that regardless of whatever issue you may have had. But it seems like he still loves them, and in his carefree attitude way. At least he isn't being a bitch towards Miyamura, but he could have been at least a little cautious when it comes to a guy spending time alone with his daughter at home. I know I would be. Maybe both of the parents naturally just trust Hori for being a responsible girl who wouldn't just bring anyone home like that. But regardless, you're right in the sense that they're not great. But they aren't the worst, and they're flawed but doing what they can I guess. The only person I'd say that really needs to shape up is the dad. They never really redeem his character, he just stays exactly the way he is here, but I guess that's a given because the story was never about anyone else other than the kids really.

@goodhunter

lol I thought you were gonna try like redeeming the parent or something at certain points but then it was just like "you're right they're terrible ..."

And indeed they are im glad you agree, anyone that'd say they aren't are just shitty parents themselves or they had terrible parents themselves and will try to excuse them.

I'll agree the mother is doing her best, the sad thing is that it looks like she's a single mom, and take in mind that they had another kid, that's just completely irresponsible and horrible really if they knew they had no time, the first one, idk an accident of their youth stupidity and love, but another one when the mom is always off working and the dad is some deadbeat piece of shit ? Just horrible.

Having another bigger kid and just thinking "well she'll take care of the smaller one" that's just horrible, you're robing the kid of all their time, as we're shown with this series Hori really doesn't have time for herself, she's a pseudo mom for the kid, that's just sad, is it like the worst thing in the world? I guess not but that still doesn't excuse it from being horrible towards Hori not really being able to have her own life cuz her parents are retarded.

In that same note just saying "oh my you're so responsible I'm glad we can leave the kid to you" in the way they know Hori is responsible is also very negligent in their part she's just a kid, she has her own life, and as we've seen she does resent them, sadly (for me) and happily for them I guess she's too much of a good kid to ever say it to them which just keeps the cycle of them putting too much pressure on her going.

I guess the dad just knew he really had no leverage to try and step in now after all this time hea been a sack of shit, good, cuz most shitty parents think they do on just the account of them being a parent even if they've never look after the kid, hey you came out of my balls I own you until you can support yourself.

So yeah like I had said in my original message they both seem like good people, but they're shit terrible parents, and Hori is just too much of a good person to tell them that.

If you're gonna have a kid just be sure to have time to take care of the fucking thing lol.

@JustCallMeDaBoss the dad is quite good actually,he works a lot and thus why he is gone for long periods of time from home which is completely different from what a dead beat parent is, basically both her parents are overworked which fits well with what the japanese work life is all about and why japan has a huge population decline atm its quite realistic

Just wanted to chime in on this and I kinda agree with the other two, but I also see your point. They did seem to assume the dad was a deadbeat without concrete proof, at the very least.

I think the important take-away is that they just couldn't be there for their daughter Kyoko (Hori) due to both of their work situations, which caused her a great deal of anguish over time as she had to fend for herself most of her childhood. And, without the constant presence of loving parents, she must have developed a fragile emotional core, so to speak, and she developed violent reactions and a tough exterior to safeguard against being hurt there.

Sengoku became the first casualty of this nature that developed in parental neglect, growing up in fear of a Hori just like his father.

I think it's these same defenses that keep her from revealing the truth of her home life to any of her normal class friends, but her fierce independence, self-sufficiency, and sense of responsibility that also developed as a result made it so she could take care of her little brother, like was also stated.

Miyamura ends up suffering some of the negative effects of her defense mechanisms, but he turned out tougher than Sengoku, possibly because of his own childhood trauma that gave him better defenses of his own against being treated badly, plus he's older when he started interacting with Kyoko.

Anyway, this is just my amateur effort to psychoanalyze her character to explain why she seems so emotionally unstable and has such violent tendencies. I blame parental neglect, but it seems like there wasn't much that could have been done about that.

 

[apstorm]

I..... kinda want to learn the father's love story. He really is an interesting character.

gosh, the parents looked so cute together, I'd definitely read their story if they had one

I know the 'Missing Pieces' secondary/supplementary anime season had at least one episode that had a segment that depicted their backstory. It might have been adapted from an extra chapter near the end, or actually at the very end, of the manga. Basically, it depicted Kyosuke (Hori-papa), Yuriko (Hori-mama), and Takeru Sengoku (the student council president Kakeru Sengoku's father) in their school days.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

I'm having dubious feeling about Kyosuke, dunno what he is doing so important that makes him an absent parent more than his wife which takes a toll on Kyoko, but then he is good in reading the room and accept Izumi already as a part of the family.

It's very nice to see a parent like that with an open mind, had a fair share of two sides, either extremely doting or chill.
My first girlfriend father first reaction with us appearing on a date being affectionate was decking me in the face, being from traditional Romani family an culture difference it was unthinkable for him and without "proper introduction" before even making any contact...
Then there was another father that was pretty much like Kyosuke, seeing us with smalltalk later was very accepting and even after things did not working out in the end still keeping in touch as good friends, though feeling guilty for daughter misdeed...