Houkago no Idol ni wa Himitsu ga aru - Ch. 16 - Kuromiya-san's Acting

[MangaDex]

 

[rhyo171]

Man, just get together already smh

 

[noobplant]

Hehe its all coming together

 

[Azusu]

most of idol love i have seen so far do not end well

 

[kuf]

Surely this isn't going to stall.

 

[yun1que]

Tf kinda school is this? I'll be sick to the guts if everyday is just basically filled with test. Those kind of test doesn't make you smarter by any means, it's just gonna be mentally draining for the students

 

[Nightazakus]

Tf kinda school is this? I'll be sick to the guts if everyday is just basically filled with test. Those kind of test doesn't make you smarter by any means, it's just gonna be mentally draining for the students

Preparing them to be the best in society, right?

 

[muhatha]

Tf kinda school is this? I'll be sick to the guts if everyday is just basically filled with test. Those kind of test doesn't make you smarter by any means, it's just gonna be mentally draining for the students

Well its uni preparation school.
Common in japan and China.

 

[Erbakhan]

This gonna take a while, isnt it...

 

[amaidolce]

cute maiden in love

 

[Frye]

That school sounds like hell. If all elite schools are like that, no wonder they have high rates of student suicides. I wonder if the teachers also got exhausted from always preparing new exam questions and grading them back and forth.

 

[Augorhen]

Liked this series at first but it took a quick turn to being dragged out and boring. Thanks for the upload

 

[comeonnow0]

Tf kinda school is this? I'll be sick to the guts if everyday is just basically filled with test. Those kind of test doesn't make you smarter by any means, it's just gonna be mentally draining for the students

It's a cliche and a plot device. The cliche is that society at large and the readers viewing this will read the description and go oh, that makes sense, even though it might not be true and is possibly an exaggeration.

It's a plot device because it forms the backbone of why they meet in the first place.

At the end of the day, the author probably doesn't matter if it is accurate and realistic. It might be, or it might not be. It's a tool to get readers to understand and to sell more copies.

 

[kuma]

Tf kinda school is this? I'll be sick to the guts if everyday is just basically filled with test. Those kind of test doesn't make you smarter by any means, it's just gonna be mentally draining for the students

i know this video about korea, but east asia elite school IN GENERAL HAD TO compete to this kind of level. china, taiwan, and japan, all had this kind of school. they didn't care about student mental well being, all they care is exam result. it's just the common thing. there is reason east asia region has one of highest teenage suicide rate in the world.

 

[comeonnow0]

i know this video about korea, but east asia elite school IN GENERAL HAD TO compete to this kind of level. china, taiwan, and japan, all had this kind of school. they didn't care about student mental well being, all they care is exam result. it's just the common thing. there is reason east asia region has one of highest teenage suicide rate in the world.

It paints a pretty easy to tell story that sounds convincing. Oh, look at all these East Asian countries that put test results above the mental health of students. All they care about are test results, so it's no wonder that they have so many suicides.

It's wrong. You can easily look up how wrong it is.

This is from 2008, but it shows New Zealand is by and far away the leader in OECD (read as "rich") countries in suicide for teenagers specifically.

That hasn't changed. Here's another article from 2017. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40284130

If things have changed since then, I honestly can't find reports. Especially given COVID and the changes to schooling, I don't know if it has changed.

I'm not even denying that South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan have high suicide rates in general or suicide rates for teenagers. But you are wrong in China, at least, because the data just literally does not support it.

My actual point is that you shouldn't make generalizations just because they sound good and make a nice story. Here, highly important parts of what you said were wrong, and you had just papered over it to tell this story.

 

[kuma]

It paints a pretty easy to tell story that sounds convincing. Oh, look at all these East Asian countries that put test results above the mental health of students. All they care about are test results, so it's no wonder that they have so many suicides.

It's wrong. You can easily look up how wrong it is.

This is from 2008, but it shows New Zealand is by and far away the leader in OECD (read as "rich") countries in suicide for teenagers specifically.

That hasn't changed. Here's another article from 2017. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40284130

If things have changed since then, I honestly can't find reports. Especially given COVID and the changes to schooling, I don't know if it has changed.

I'm not even denying that South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan have high suicide rates in general or suicide rates for teenagers. But you are wrong in China, at least, because the data just literally does not support it.

My actual point is that you shouldn't make generalizations just because they sound good and make a nice story. Here, highly important parts of what you said were wrong, and you had just papered over it to tell this story.

i specifically mentioned east asia ELITE school NOT EVERY school. this system of repeating test like this chapter is NOT uncommon for this kind of school, in fact, it's pretty lenient one.
here another another look about this stressful system, this time on china.

here south korea own media report on suicide being leading cause of teenage death, before the government decide to stop reporting it.
https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200427000687
i am not saying they had suicide problem the worst, it's just one of the result of this horrifying system. my country is one of those escapee destination. we have LOT east asian student here and all have same story why they chose to study overseas just to get university diploma. to getting away with those system.

 

[comeonnow0]

i specifically mentioned east asia ELITE school NOT EVERY school. this system of repeating test like this chapter is NOT uncommon for this kind of school, in fact, it's pretty lenient one.
here another another look about this stressful system, this time on china.

here south korea own media report on suicide being leading cause of teenage death, before the government decide to stop reporting it.
https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200427000687
i am not saying they had suicide problem the worst, it's just one of the result of this horrifying system. my country is one of those escapee destination. we have LOT east asian student here and all have same story why they chose to study overseas just to get university diploma. to getting away with those system.

And again, you're lumping in "East Asian" as this monolith.

I had pointed out that China is not at all what you said. Your first post had specifically said China, but by all accounts, including international sources, suicide in China is fairly low, lower even than the United States.

Yes, that system of testing is common in some schools, "elite" schools, as you call them. But you connect that to suicide rates EXPLICITLY even though the data actually says that's wrong.

You are literally saying that suicide is one of the results of this horrifying system. I can agree with you that it's a horrifying system. But the data just shows you are wrong. Yes, China has testing systems. Their suicide rates are relatively low.

We can both agree that the system is bad. My specific problem is that you say this "East Asian" system results in lots of student suicides. China proves that's not necessarily true.

If you can show me reports or statistics or something that show suicide rates in those specific schools is high, then I'll admit I'm wrong. Otherwise, the data suggests I am not.

 

[ciera]

Thanks alot

 

[kuma]

And again, you're lumping in "East Asian" as this monolith.

I had pointed out that China is not at all what you said. Your first post had specifically said China, but by all accounts, including international sources, suicide in China is fairly low, lower even than the United States.

Yes, that system of testing is common in some schools, "elite" schools, as you call them. But you connect that to suicide rates EXPLICITLY even though the data actually says that's wrong.

You are literally saying that suicide is one of the results of this horrifying system. I can agree with you that it's a horrifying system. But the data just shows you are wrong. Yes, China has testing systems. Their suicide rates are relatively low.

We can both agree that the system is bad. My specific problem is that you say this "East Asian" system results in lots of student suicides. China proves that's not necessarily true.

If you can show me reports or statistics or something that show suicide rates in those specific schools is high, then I'll admit I'm wrong. Otherwise, the data suggests I am not.

i think for specifically china, their social attitude towards suicide is still loathed it, so people making less attempt in fear social retaliation towards their family, which same thing can't be said for taiwan, south korea, and japan. it doesn't change the fact that statistically china student are one of most stressed student caused by academic pressure.
https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1011185

also i am not saying elite school caused suicide. what i am saying is high academic pressure caused BOTH crushingly stressful elite school AND high suicide rate. majority teenagers suicide happens exactly around exam and their result announcement should speak on it self.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34105044

 

[comeonnow0]

i think for specifically china, their social attitude towards suicide is still loathed it, so people making less attempt in fear social retaliation towards their family, which same thing can't be said for taiwan, south korea, and japan. it doesn't change the fact that statistically china student are one of most stressed student caused by academic pressure.
https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1011185

also i am not saying elite school caused suicide. what i am saying is high academic pressure caused BOTH crushingly stressful elite school AND high suicide rate. majority teenagers suicide happens exactly around exam and their result announcement should speak on it self.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34105044

I want to highlight this part specifically.

it doesn't change the fact that statistically china student are one of most stressed student caused by academic pressure.

From the very beginning, I have not disagreed with the statement that Chinese students are some of the most stressed due to academic pressures.

But you, in your posts, directly connected the "East Asian" system with student suicide, and you highlighted China as one example. I am in agreement with you that the system puts stress and pressure on students. I never disagreed with that. I disagree that what you call the "East Asian" system results in suicides, and China shows that. Just to be as clear as possible, I am disagreeing in the link and conclusion, not the premise.

Next, you say suicide and fear of social, familial retaliation is not viewed favorably in China while it is in... Taiwan... I hope you understand that the culture of Taiwan is extremely similar to the culture of China for a reason. Unless we want to talk about actual, aboriginal Taiwanese, the majority culture of Taiwan is from Han Chinese, the same as in China. Unless you want to credit the government of Chiba for discouraging suicide or you want to blame the Taiwanese government for encouraging suicide, the comparison falls apart. And you could. There are arguments for and against it. But it's not clear cut.

That's especially true in a historical context, where Chinese culture has a history of ritual suicide in certain situations. And yet, China today has a fairly low rate.

And here's another example. There's another country that's often left out in talks about "East Asia". Lots of different reasons to leave it out. It's poorer than every other Confucian country except North Korea. It was blacklisted from the world for a few decades. Vietnam has extremely high academic competition. On international scholastic measures, Vietnam routinely ranks well and above much, much richer countries (see PISA rankings). That's specifically in spite of the lack of money. And yet, despite all of the rigors and stress of the "East Asian" system that you talk about, suicide rates in Vietnam are fairly low. Again, you could maybe talk about the government policies. There are arguments for and against it.

To reiterate, you have made way too broad of a statement that breaks down when looked at closer. Your example of China doesn't hold up. I know you didn't give Vietnam as an example (basically no one does), but Vietnam shows your comment about the "East Asian" system is wrong.