How Do We Relationship? - Vol. 2 Ch. 11

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@Gustbk maybe something like 11:30? To be honest I've never really had high hopes for a happy ending here (or at least one where Miwa and Saeko end up together) not just because of the oneshot end bur due to it's theme.

While there might exist lucky relations that miraculously work being your first (at least for Miwa), it's not really something that happens a lot, and starting going out "just because" also doesn't seems to be something with a bright future.

Can't really wait to get home and actually read the damn chapter.
 
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The character interaction is actually starting to piss me off.
I'm dropping this, but thank you for the great manga while I could read it.
I just can't stand people like those two guys.
I'm okay with an occasional antagonist or event, but the way it was done here.
1. Is being an homophobic ass very bluntly, then it was just skipped over.
2. Is questioning if they are a good match because he is jealous.
Nope, I'm done.
Thanks for the read.
 
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@ThatOneJester its mimicking reality, Japan isn't very open or accepting of queer folks yet sir, being homophobic can sometimes seem natural due to the fact accepting of queer folk is only recent, we can't judge different societies and their ability to learn and go immediately by our own standards and speed of being able to accept such thoughts. Japan is also a patriarcharcal society, gotta put some consideration into the fact we're spectating another society and its rules, not our own.
 
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@Gustbk Sure, it's weird. But it's like news . . . doing it right is a lot about picking which stories to tell. And like news, the most common events aren't necessarily the best ones to pick. Probably the most common romantic relationship is the "Got together 'cause they kind of liked each other, did OK for a while but it wasn't that exciting, then split up"--but nobody tells that story because it's boring and blah and uninspiring (Not that this is that story--as I say, nobody tells that one).
People like stories that make them feel good or stories with dramatic conflict or stuff like that. "Believable" is a plus, but "common" isn't particularly. So yeah, a story about a couple breaking up because they're incompatible but it isn't really anyone's fault is not a "makes you feel good" story, so many people aren't going to like it. And on the other hand, the conflict isn't all that dramatic, so a lot of other people won't be that thrilled. I still find it interesting . . . but still, happy endings are, well, happy, and so I tend to enjoy them.
 

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I'm actually enjoying this and the realistic types of drama it brings in. I'd be okay if they broke up at the end as long as they both realize why they're incompatible and the reason isn't some outside force like a rival or harassment.

It's kind of cathartic to see a relationship that isn't awful, but also isn't idealistic. It's like a palate cleanser after being dragged through a candy store. There's so much romance out there that's focused on the early stages and everyone is cute and fluffy and that's fine and all but...
People suck.
It's refreshing to see a story that acknowledges that without demonizing anyone.
 
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lmao at the people thinking the guy is homophobic. Would you say a person is "straightphobic" if someoen said that they don't think that a man or a woman is the right man or woman for them? That makes no sense whatsoever.
 
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I totally understand the appeal of fluffy romances, but they should’ve known from the get-go that this is not that story...that can be found anywhere. And I personally find a lot more catharsis in down-to-earth stories than the ones that are drowning in whimsy and extreme dramatization.

Also as an aside — I get a bit peeved at how so many people assume that the OS route is a “possible ending”...it felt pretty clear then that the end of their relationship WASN’T the end of the story...and that they just grew as people.
 
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That "End" guy makes me wonder if he's either fabulously gay and just wants fellow gay friends even if they're lesbians, he's extremely gossip-y, or if he's one of the people that gave Saeko hell in middle school and somehow she doesn't realize/remember it was him.

I really hope it's not the cliche last option where he's a past bully that's come back and still has hang-ups from fucking middle school in college...
 
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Japan has an... "interesting"... cultural outlook on homosexuality. If you're ever bored, try a quick look-up for male gay bars in Japan. You'll find a bunch, especially in larger cities. Now try to find lesbian/bars for women only. Much, much, much less.

Even back during Edo times you'll find male homosexual relationships were viewed almost... positively? But only in certain circumstances. For instance, with samurais when they took apprentices. And like "girls love" it was kinda expected that any serious or sexual relationship ended when the boy became of age. Monks in Japan's past also dabbled in similar relationships, although it wasn't viewed with the same level of admiration/respect that the samurai were, and they were kind of assumed the reason why male prostitution was able to stay in business.

As it stands, however, marriage is still viewed as something that is to be expected of people by Japanese society and elders/parents even among the newer generations, especially for women. So while it may not be viewed as perfectly fine for the male to not marry and be in a homosexual relationship, he's more likely to get a pass than with females in a homosexual relationship. After all, girls are for marrying and having (grand)children and increasing the birth rate. And having read some translated interviews and articles, it seems like there's a fair amount of women that are regretful about not pursuing past relationships with other women and felt pressured to get married. Or simply didn't know that they "could be" lesbians. Although IIRC these were older 40+ women that were interviewed.
(This kind of also extends analogous to heterosexual relationships in Japan where men cheating on their wives is tolerated moreso than in the west. Plenty still divorce over it, don't get me wrong (although, in Japan, you can't sue the adulterous party(s)), but it's something that is given more leeway in Japan.)
 
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This is either going to be a massive disappointment, or regular good.
There can't be an in between.
 
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Damn Miwa overthinking what Saeko means when she says she needs to cheer Miwa up is indeed a pain in the ass, she cant just take it as Saeko being considerate of Miwa's kinda low confidence and kind of gloomy outlook on things, thats actually very realistic in a sense people most of the time dont realize they have flaws like that cuz you know we all think we're very well put together abd take offense when someone points out thats not the case at all, a lot of people cant handle people like Miwa.

Also i think the dude is just throwing his on jealousy into his assessment here, Miwa and Saeko have had 1 kinda big fight and now theyre doing very well, where is that even coming from ? Indeed his jealousy and insecurities, notice how he also only mentions how he cares Miwa is the one he hopes is okay, i get it bro but still chill man.
 

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