I Became the Ugly Lady - Ch. 5

[adiana31]

this manhwa is gna be licensed tho

 

[Ceereus]

The only problem with the sister actually being a good person is that the reason Sylvia was so depressed etc is not just because she couldn't handle the criticism of outsiders, it's that no one in her family supported her or countered the cruelty of others. That is, she was never validated from childhood while having poisonous things whispered about her and being told she's less than her perfect family.

How come her good, kind sister never got through to her? I just don't accept it wasn't possible because of Sylvia's defensiveness. That would have come years later after years of cruelty.

Not saying Irene alone could have propped up Sylvia, but it would have been something

 

[REDRED]

TYSM for the update😄

 

[otomefreak]

He’s gonna be her knight. No doubt about it.

 

[emilyandersons]

hehehehe who is he but he’s gonna be important to her probably the male lead??? kekekeke



~~thanks for this wonderful chapter hehe~~

 

[gabie]

thank you for translating!

 

[laciesche]

i want irene to truly be kind and to see a healthy sistership going strong!!! thank you for the chapter!!

 

[Roseotaku7]

thank you for translating

 

[Hayako22]

Thank you! 😊

 

[xdlisac]

Thank you for the update!!

 

[Khulmach]

Family sucks but at least the sister is trustworthy.
@Ceereus
She probably did, but Og turned her away because of the inferiority complex.

Og has a bad personality.

 

[Ceereus]

@Khulmach It's been made fairly clear that she developed that defensive personality over time from the way she was treated and the lack of upbringing. I'm talking about when they were elementary age and younger. It just doesn't really make any sense. Also doesn't make sense that Irene's friends bullied Sylvia and felt comfortable enough up to now to talk shit about Sylvia if Irene cared about Sylvia. Just a couple of things to me don't make any sense but I'll probably just have to accept

 

[Khulmach]

@Ceereus
You are first forgetting this was a story book.

A character will act out their personality until put in their place.

And even if it was when they were younger, people would still talk smack the moment the little baby sister was born.

 

[Ceereus]

@Khulmach Even a storybook needs to be consistent. That's my point btw. You're saying Irene never put these ladies in their place while they felt comfortable enough to shit talk the sister she supposedly cares about until it was convenient enough to show it to us. There's not even a line like "I told you not to talk about Sylvia that way" lol.

It's not just about other people talking shit, it's that Sylvia didn't feel any validation at home. Sure, as she got older, she became jealous of the comparisons made between her and Irene so she would have been sad anyway. But if she received some positivity at a young age, before she became scarred, from even one person, her defenses and sense of self-worth would have been somewhat present. She was not always at social events growing up, but she was always in the same home as her sister no matter how separate their lives are.

I'm really not in the habit of taking apart writer's work to find holes but this one is pretty glaring to me.

 

[Khulmach]

@Ceereus
Irene showed that she did not like the noble brat talking bad about her sister but also showed she was too soft to pressure someone because of her "Kind" heart.
Basically, we can infer these bratty kids knew Irene would not do anything major other then getting upset.

At home, if she was younger then Irene probably thought their family was nice and functional.
Irene likely only found out Sylvia hated her when Sylvia attacked her at one point out of jealousy.

With these thoughts in mind, then it appears consistent.

 

[Ceereus]

@Khulmach The problem is they felt comfortable enough to bully and shit talk Sylvia not that Irene is so nice her objections are weak. An objection is an objection. No one would continue saying nasty things their higher status friend didn't like because the consequence is they wouldn't be friends anymore. Unless the nice, pure Irene liked being friends with people who attacked her sister.

Yeah, it doesn't make sense because that would make Irene seem fake.

Again, it's not about the other family members: it's about if Irene made her sister feel validated. Which is not her responsibility but something all of us (I hope) naturally do for the people we care about it. You don't need outside validation all the time but it really helps when you are under constant attack like Sylvia was.

 

[Khulmach]

@Ceereus
That is because she is weak.

In a story, a character will act with a certain personality and will not change until an External Force alters them(Usually the new Protag in a reincarnate story)
The Heroine in "The Villainess loves" was a nice, dumb, cry baby; she was not a bad person but that is her whole personality from beginning to end in her story.
That is her personality and even if you think she was a disgusting fake for not "caring" or doing anything for her "friends", that was how that terrible writer chose to make her.

If using that as an example, Irene is a weak willed but kind girl that is too soft to make anyone upset.
Even when Sylvia apologized, the first thing she did was leave and Cry(Likely out of happiness) which shows how childish and easily emotional Irene is.
She probably will not change until her older sister(New sister) educates her.
Basically a character will act the same unless something that diverts the "story" or "character" changes them.

Edit-> Irene was likely kind to her sister and never did anything out of place but clearly was not aware(Probably this one) or did not know how to deal with her sisters jealousy.

Once reincarnated in a book or game, it is basically a real world but that will not change how someone was written to act from the beginning and then the World will fill it in from there.

 

[Ceereus]

@Khulmach A nice person wouldn't listen to someone talking shit about the sister they like. If she did, she's not nice. Nothing to do with being weak.

I'm not talking about Sylvia when she was already jealous of Irene: I'm talking about Sylvia and Irene's relationship before Sylvia was scarred. Basically, maybe their relationship wouldn't suck and Sylvia wouldn't have been so weak to the gossip if at least one person showed Sylvia she was worthy.

Irene got upset when Sylvia apologized because she thought it was Sylvia being mean again in some way because it was so out of character for Sylvia.

 

[Khulmach]

@Ceereus
Okay, you clearly are not processing what I wrote and refuse to change your view

 

[Ceereus]

@Khulmach Actually, you never addressed what I actually argued (their relationship before Sylvia became scarred) or you just brushed it aside as Irene being weak (Irene making it comfy for her friends to abuse Sylvia). Irene doesn't have to be strong to avoid people who are nasty and she doesn't need to know there is a problem for her to contribute to her sister's positive self-worth as a child. That's all just normal behaviour. It's clearly inconsistent writing.

I'm not looking to change my view as this is just me commenting on something I observed but it would have been nice to have you try to discuss what I actually said instead of missing the point to argue about what isekai novel characters do 😂