I suddenly can't edit pages anymore

[Izaya_Onisai]

Hi all, an update of the site just went live, with the following changes.

• The seasonal titles list was updated for Fall 2024 (which was quite overdue...!)
• Multiple chapter languages were added: Afrikaans, Basque, Belarusian, Chuvash, Irish, Javanese, Urdu, Uzbek.
• For some self-published titles, there's now on the title page a button linking to options to support the artist(s).
• The color picker of the custom theme builder has been improved.

As always, this includes some invisible changes as well, and a couple of bug fixes:

• Upload of zip files with uppercase file extensions were wrongly rejected.
• The edit button on some pages overlapped with error-related items.
• When going to the next "page" in long strip mode, the reader snaps to the top of the page if misaligned scrolling-wise.

Finally, we are reenabling the support campaign for a couple of days. It's been a while and some of us have been busy away from MD, so we thank you all for your patience, and for now hope you enjoy your weekend!

Excuse me, I suddenly can't edit pages anymore is this related to the bold marked bug?
Seeing that it only started today or yesterday it probably isn't.
But perhaps it's caused by some new patch, and or bug...?

Do you have any new info? I need to fix something~

 

[kouyo]

And I don't remember this rule, but to be honest the last time I read the rules was on the old version of the site, probably also in 2018, but yeah that was my error didn't know about this kind of rule being implemented.
Sorry about that.

This rule has been in the website since 2018:

Capture from Nov 20 2018 via Wayback Machine
Yes, it was changed to now mention that your role will be removed, but the rule is effectively the same.

Did you actually read the rules?

 

[Izaya_Onisai]

This rule has been in the website since 2018:

Capture from Nov 20 2018 via Wayback Machine
Yes, it was changed to now mention that your role will be removed, but the rule is effectively the same.

Did you actually read the rules?

Yeah, I did.
Must have forgotten it, it's been 6 years after all.
And reports being ignored isn't something I deem serious enough to remember it for long.
Also it's not a translation or visual quality issue in the first place it's rewrite.
Rewrite being the textual content to be changed as one pleases = fake chapter seems fitting for that since it doesn't represent the authors intent.

The only thing more fake perhaps is just some april joke chapter.
Well but now I know the rules changed so I won't report rewrite anymore.
Even when I honestly believe it should be reported because it's really disrespectful against the author, artist, publisher and even the readers...

 

[Izaya_Onisai]

MangaDex is neither the scanlation police nor a quality assurance site. We don't have rules enforcing minimum quality in any aspect of the scanlation.

Your role is given once you have submitted enough good reports. If you start submitting reports without any rules to back them up, then you become eligible to have it revoked, under the assumption that you don't understand our rules, we trust our contributors to understand the site rules, you clearly don't, and that's critical.

As for this, submitting a report for missing pages without including the missing pages makes it invalid, we won't go out and look for the missing pages, you have to include them in the report.

Also I did add a link with the missing page or pages in most of my reports about them, but not in the chapter where almost the whole chapter is missing, I mean it's one whole chapter just give in the series name and chapters number on google or wherever and you find the whole chapter only seemingly mangadex has still the unfinished chapter...

 

[Izaya_Onisai]

A rewritten chapter is a fake chapter no matter how I look at it, it might not be a spam chapter but that doesn't make it anything else but a fake chapter.

And since it's written as Fake/Spam Chapter in the report function it wasn't a error.
Since it indeed is fake if it doesn't follow the authors intent but was posted as if it was such.

 

[Izaya_Onisai]

MangaDex is neither the scanlation police nor a quality assurance site. We don't have rules enforcing minimum quality in any aspect of the scanlation.

Your role is given once you have submitted enough good reports. If you start submitting reports without any rules to back them up, then you become eligible to have it revoked, under the assumption that you don't understand our rules, we trust our contributors to understand the site rules, you clearly don't, and that's critical.

As for this, submitting a report for missing pages without including the missing pages makes it invalid, we won't go out and look for the missing pages, you have to include them in the report.

You probably won't be granted your roles back due to multiple violations to rule 4.3:

You may not have a rule for enforcing minumum quality in any aspect of the scanlation, but the site does have a report Fake/Spam Chapter, and what I did wasn't for myself but simply to assist mangadex in the form of reporting fake chapters so it isn't even multiple violations to rule 4.3 if anything it's just that my fake chapter reports were refused multiple times and then being punished for it.
Which isn't even a violation of any set of rules.

 

[Izaya_Onisai]

If rewrite isn't a Fake chapter what is classified as one? Only one full of spam? That I would have reported too.

But it is after all written under reports as Fake/Spam Chapter, if only was written Spam, I wouldn't have reported it under it.

 

[Izaya_Onisai]

This anonymous down and upvote function is really easy to abuse huh.

 

[Izaya_Onisai]

Hey there whoever is reading this~

Yesterday or is it now 3 days ago?
I noticed that I couldn't edit series pages anymore while trying to fix a error.
What came out was that because I reported a chapter for being rewrite rather than translation and put that report under Fake/Spam Chapter reported the user that was doing it, and his one man group for it.
This was the first time I reported a group and user for rewrite because it seemed that dire since the one doing the rewriting didn't even properly understand english or japanese causing all chapters they released to be a mess out of errors and rewrite correspondingly, Fake chapters.

But what I got out of it was that I was stripped off my Contributor status.

The reason one mod gave me was that it would be against:
Rule 4.3 Do not report any releases for any translation or visual quality issues that originate from the scanlator. These reports will be ignored and your ability to make reports may be restricted.
___________________

But rewriting is far beyond a "translation issue", and under report is after all a report "Fake/Spam Chapter" so I reported it as such.

So I request my Contributor status back,
and if rewriting shouldn't be reported at all that has to be stated even if that seems like a error since rewrite is a insult to the authors, artists, publishers and even the readers.
Since it isn't what the author intended it is fake.

For the readers not even noticing it, that think the author is suddenly ruining it might as well be a scam chapter so calling it "Fake chapter" seems to fit it fine in my eyes.

Whoever read till here, thanks for your time and have a nice day~ (Hopefully I can soon fix the errors before I forget them...)

 

[Trodsen]

I think the main issue here is that your understanding of fake chapter, aka not what an author may have intended with their words is not what the rules deem as a fake chapter.

Fake chapters are in general, a chapter upload without any of the actual manga chapter, instead it has the chapter number, but instead of having the chapter inside it has an ad to some website or some kind of visual piece to incite drama.

A translation being absurdly bad does not make the chapter fake.

Edit 1: What you could argue on rewrites as you said is this rule here:

1.3.4 Both using the translated script and images of a scanlation as the basis of a new scanlation are generally allowed as long as there is a significant difference from the source release, such as being translated to another language, having significantly improved typesetting, or higher quality raws.

Now here there is space for an argument, assuming the chapters are actually rewrites of a previously uploaded scanlation. Otherwise the only other possibility would be this:

1.3.5 Joke or troll releases are not allowed, except on April 1st.

But this rule basically isn't applied unless it's an extremely egregrious troll/joke release rather than a just really bad quality translation.

 

[BraveDude8]

This was the first time I reported a group and user for rewrite

This is the thirteenth time you have reported a chapter/user for bad translation quality, and the fourth time in the past week.

 

[kn4ll]

Using MTL to translate manga isn't the same as making a "fake" chapter.

 

[Izaya_Onisai]

This is the thirteenth time you have reported a chapter/user for bad translation quality, and the fourth time in the past week.

Thirteen times in the past 3 years of report is really few.

Not bad translation rewrite, let's make a example.
The sentence was supposed to be: Good day everyone shall we go! Natsume-san is probably already waiting for us at the train station
The sentence after a rewrite: Yo let's fucking go suckers we have shit to do and bosses to kill I ain't waiting for none of you!
(this form of rewrite was inspired by a editor calling himself whitepod, caused me many headaches)

I think the main issue here is that your understanding of fake chapter, aka not what an author may have intended with their words is not what the rules deem as a fake chapter.

Fake chapters are in general, a chapter upload without any of the actual manga chapter, instead it has the chapter number, but instead of having the chapter inside it has an ad to some website or some kind of visual piece to incite drama.

A translation being absurdly bad does not make the chapter fake.

Edit 1: What you could argue on rewrites as you said is this rule here:

1.3.4 Both using the translated script and images of a scanlation as the basis of a new scanlation are generally allowed as long as there is a significant difference from the source release, such as being translated to another language, having significantly improved typesetting, or higher quality raws.

Now here there is space for an argument, assuming the chapters are actually rewrites of a previously uploaded scanlation. Otherwise the only other possibility would be this:

1.3.5 Joke or troll releases are not allowed, except on April 1st.

But this rule basically isn't applied unless it's an extremely egregrious troll/joke release rather than a just really bad quality translation.

Rewrite is not bad translation, rewrite is not caring what's actually written and writing whatever the person doing it wants.
Seems like a fake chapter for me since it doesn't follow the authors intent, but hey if you think it isn't I won't report it as such anymore but something should be done against it and simply writing it in the comment section is sadly far from enough, believe me I tried.

But a error were my reports not it didn't break any rule and writing whatever someone wants into anothers work can't be called a real chapter anymore.

I would actually be quite happy if a Report "Rewritten Chapter" was added and even if the chapters don't get deleted they could get marked as "Rewrite" next to the chapter.

So it's time to sleep for me good night.
Hopefully this whole mess is over, when I wake up and I will be back to fixing the various errors on various series.

 

[Teasday]

If rewrite isn't a Fake chapter what is classified as one?

Stuff that aren't actually chapters of the manga, such as announcements without any chapter pages.

Hopefully this whole mess is over, when I wake up and I will be back to fixing the various errors on various series.

You're asking for rule-enforcement privileges while trying to argue with us about what our own rules are. Have some self-awareness.

 

[kn4ll]

Thirteen times in the past 3 years of report is really few.

Not bad translation rewrite, let's make a example.
The sentence was supposed to be: Good day everyone shall we go! Natsume-san is probably already waiting for us at the train station
The sentence after a rewrite: Yo let's fucking go suckers we have shit to do and bosses to kill I ain't waiting for none of you!
(this form of rewrite was inspired by a editor calling himself whitepod, caused me many headaches)


Rewrite is not bad translation, rewrite is not caring what's actually written and writing whatever the person doing it wants.
Seems like a fake chapter for me since it doesn't follow the authors intent, but hey if you think it isn't I won't report it as such anymore but something should be done against it and simply writing it in the comment section is sadly far from enough, believe me I tried.

But a error were my reports not it didn't break any rule and writing whatever someone wants into anothers work can't be called a real chapter anymore.

I would actually be quite happy if a Report "Rewritten Chapter" was added and even if the chapters don't get deleted they could get marked as "Rewrite" next to the chapter.

So it's time to sleep for me good night.
Hopefully this whole mess is over, when I wake up and I will be back to fixing the various errors on various series.

Sometimes translators take liberties like this to carry on the tone, which some times can be hard to translate properly from Japanese to English. I'm not saying that everyone should opt to be mangastream or dattebayo, but some times it's better translating "teme" as "you bastard".
Worse would be if people put in zoomer lingo or some terrible stuff like that. Hopefully no one does that.

 

[Teasday]

Not sure what would be the issue with a zoomer speaking Japanese lingo translated into a zoomer speaking English lingo

 

[Manko-sensei]

I don't know how far does Izaya want to bend/warp the meaning of words (this looks exactly as a rules lawyer disrupting the game by being an arse with the game master), but I'm going to write some examples using Spanish instead of Japanese to make it easier (btw, here's the meaning of "rewrite"):

1. "Voy a hacer la colada, pon lo que quieras en la lavadora" (original sentence).
2. "I'm doing the laundry, put the clothes you want inside the washing machine" (commonly translated sentence).
3. "It's time for laundry, toss your dirty clothes in the machine" (free translation).
4. "Doin thelaundry, drop whatever you wa nt in the washing" (translation with mistakes 1).
5. "It's washday, in da washing machine you clothes" (translation with mistakes 2).
6. "I'm watching a soup opera, put your dirty porn in the trash bin" (joke translation).

If you report any other translation than the last one, you're not following MangaDex rules, and the report must be in a correct format.