Ijimete-gokko. - Vol. 4 Ch. 16

[MangaDex]

 

[Velificatio]

It's rare - in any media - that S&M is treated with this much sensitivity. I remember years back watching a documentary on the porn company Kink (one, I believed, financed by the company so not really all that interesting), and how in it they seemed to go out of their way to affirm that their performers weren't traumatised, that they weren't there for any "wrong reason." I remember being annoyed at this because, in my experience, most of the people into S&M have some sort of trauma that they are drawing from or processing or running away from - certainly not all, but of the partners I've had and people I've talked to at length about it, I'd say a solid 70 or 80% (and this goes too to many of the people involved in the company Kink too if you you learn their lives outside of a documentary setting). And there's nothing at all wrong with this - S&M is like a spiritual practice, nobody gets into it for the "right" reasons - but it's something that every practioner should take the time to look at and learn to work with and, as noted here, accept.

This is a nice manga. Depending on how it all goes it's the sort of thing I'd maybe recommend to someone who was getting interested in this themselves.

 

[EternalFrost]

It's rare - in any media - that S&M is treated with this much sensitivity. I remember years back watching a documentary on the porn company Kink (one, I believed, financed by the company so not really all that interesting), and how in it they seemed to go out of their way to affirm that their performers weren't traumatised, that they weren't there for any "wrong reason." I remember being annoyed at this because, in my experience, most of the people into S&M have some sort of trauma that they are drawing from or processing or running away from - certainly not all, but of the partners I've had and people I've talked to at length about it, I'd say a solid 70 or 80% (and this goes too to many of the people involved in the company Kink too if you you learn their lives outside of a documentary setting). And there's nothing at all wrong with this - S&M is like a spiritual practice, nobody gets into it for the "right" reasons - but it's something that every practioner should take the time to look at and learn to work with and, as noted here, accept.

This is a nice manga. Depending on how it all goes it's the sort of thing I'd maybe recommend to someone who was getting interested in this themselves.

It's very rare to have it handled with this much thought and sincerity. Not just looking at the kink and the act, but the mindset and reasoning of it.

And I'm glad to see how they are handling Yukino.

 

[BrosefAmelion]

Man I'm not even into S&M but I just love seeing them exploring shaky ground together and learning about it from the more experienced.

 

[Fauntleroy]

It's rare - in any media - that S&M is treated with this much sensitivity. I remember years back watching a documentary on the porn company Kink (one, I believed, financed by the company so not really all that interesting), and how in it they seemed to go out of their way to affirm that their performers weren't traumatised, that they weren't there for any "wrong reason." I remember being annoyed at this because, in my experience, most of the people into S&M have some sort of trauma that they are drawing from or processing or running away from - certainly not all, but of the partners I've had and people I've talked to at length about it, I'd say a solid 70 or 80% (and this goes too to many of the people involved in the company Kink too if you you learn their lives outside of a documentary setting). And there's nothing at all wrong with this - S&M is like a spiritual practice, nobody gets into it for the "right" reasons - but it's something that every practioner should take the time to look at and learn to work with and, as noted here, accept.

This is a nice manga. Depending on how it all goes it's the sort of thing I'd maybe recommend to someone who was getting interested in this themselves.

Man that comment was a good read. I know it didn't exactly add too much on top of what the chapter explored, but it's good to see that other people felt the same way about (almost) trying too hard to ''''destignatise'''' S&M.

Like Yukino said, it's fine to accept the bad experiences and move on from it.

Anyway the writing was so good... I'm so invested in the characters...

 

[lastheroes]

thanks for the chapter

 

[GreenDude1]

This is honestly a very wholesome love story about a couple trying to find common ground and understand each other better.

 

[Laxtir]

This was a really good chapter , like one of the better ones in the manga up to now.

 

[EchoGirl]

Lol
That story she told feels like it could be its own spinoff series one day

 

[Mineta_The_Grapist]

Wholesome s&m experience unlocked?

 

[psuedonymous]

Some of the best depictions of realistic rope bondage I've seen in a manga. Modern TK style (nearly stemless, minimal third rope, lower kanukis only to minimise nerve impingement risks), good Y-hanger side suspension, good upline management, and that unique carabiner-chain hardpoint technique you see from Japanese riggers (so if an earthquake warning occurs you can rapidly unclip in a controlled manner without needing to untie or cut the ropes and risk an uncontrolled drop). LOL at the one panel that was clearly flipped after it was drawn (upline teleports from one side to the other then back again).

But if you're not a serious masochist, your first suspension from something minimal like a TK + single thigh is not going to be "comfortable": that's a real workout for even an experienced rope bottom, let alone a newbie.

It's rare - in any media - that S&M is treated with this much sensitivity. I remember years back watching a documentary on the porn company Kink (one, I believed, financed by the company so not really all that interesting), and how in it they seemed to go out of their way to affirm that their performers weren't traumatised, that they weren't there for any "wrong reason." I remember being annoyed at this because, in my experience, most of the people into S&M have some sort of trauma that they are drawing from or processing or running away from - certainly not all, but of the partners I've had and people I've talked to at length about it, I'd say a solid 70 or 80% (and this goes too to many of the people involved in the company Kink too if you you learn their lives outside of a documentary setting). And there's nothing at all wrong with this - S&M is like a spiritual practice, nobody gets into it for the "right" reasons - but it's something that every practioner should take the time to look at and learn to work with and, as noted here, accept.

This is a nice manga. Depending on how it all goes it's the sort of thing I'd maybe recommend to someone who was getting interested in this themselves.

It mostly depends on what scene you end up in. The local rope scene - at last in my experience- isn't particularly 'trauma heavy' at all, rather the opposite. Probably helps by being full of nerds and needing a good head on your shoulders to not seriously fuck things up at a technical level and cause serious injury.
On the other hand, the 'show off my expensive costume whilst clubbing' party scene (Torture Garden/Verboten/etc) are a minefield.

 

[Velificatio]

Some of the best depictions of realistic rope bondage I've seen in a manga. Modern TK style (nearly stemless, minimal third rope, lower kanukis only to minimise nerve impingement risks), good Y-hanger side suspension, good upline management, and that unique carabiner-chain hardpoint technique you see from Japanese riggers (so if an earthquake warning occurs you can rapidly unclip in a controlled manner without needing to untie or cut the ropes and risk an uncontrolled drop). LOL at the one panel that was clearly flipped after it was drawn (upline teleports from one side to the other then back again).

But if you're not a serious masochist, your first suspension from something minimal like a TK + single thigh is not going to be "comfortable": that's a real workout for even an experienced rope bottom, let alone a newbie.


It mostly depends on what scene you end up in. The local rope scene - at last in my experience- isn't particularly 'trauma heavy' at all, rather the opposite. Probably helps by being full of nerds and needing a good head on your shoulders to not seriously fuck things up at a technical level and cause serious injury.
On the other hand, the 'show off my expensive costume whilst clubbing' party scene (Torture Garden/Verboten/etc) are a minefield.

This is probably super-true - I've stayed out of the rope scene entirely so all my experience is just with masochists and the occasional fellow sadist - individually too I should note, getting to know people via apps or randomly IRL. So I've tended to meet people outside of scenes - some adjacent to them, one or two fully in them, but most with a kind of aesthetic distaste of them - a lot of people, like in the manga, with very ambivalent feelings about their desires, which I would imagine would have a much greater proportion of people mulling over past traumas than anyone comfortable enough to make it their scene.

 

[Hauberk1800]

That was an incredible chapter.

Thanks for the tl

 

[alfirizkyr]

Probably one of this series' best chapters. I've always loved it when they explored the more personal and interpersonal half of S&M here rather than just the kink aspect—so all the areas of consent and self-exploration, empathy, reflection, and understanding.

I really like the addition of Yukino to the cast. Not only does she work really well to make the main characters audience surrogates for S&M explanations, her more mature outlook thanks to her experience in the more spiritual half of S&M also helps create insights where you know she's not just dishing advice, she's also basing everything she said and did on her own repertoire of experiences and self-reflections. It's an ongoing process and she made it feel so clear.

Thanks for the chapter. It's a delightful read.

 

[henman]

I'm sorry but

Spoiler

that's my first thought, yeah.

Well, the chapter was great. Intimate conversation in the bed, tying and hanging on a rope — all of it was wholesome (I never thought I'll ever write down something like this)
The ending was beautiful. Feels like volume end.

It's rare - in any media - that S&M is treated with this much sensitivity. I remember years back watching a documentary on the porn company Kink (one, I believed, financed by the company so not really all that interesting), and how in it they seemed to go out of their way to affirm that their performers weren't traumatised, that they weren't there for any "wrong reason." I remember being annoyed at this because, in my experience, most of the people into S&M have some sort of trauma that they are drawing from or processing or running away from - certainly not all, but of the partners I've had and people I've talked to at length about it, I'd say a solid 70 or 80% (and this goes too to many of the people involved in the company Kink too if you you learn their lives outside of a documentary setting). And there's nothing at all wrong with this - S&M is like a spiritual practice, nobody gets into it for the "right" reasons - but it's something that every practioner should take the time to look at and learn to work with and, as noted here, accept.

This is a nice manga. Depending on how it all goes it's the sort of thing I'd maybe recommend to someone who was getting interested in this themselves.

I think you said it yourself — they're performers. And as a company that tries (?) to be respectable of course they try to ensure labor safety. Well, they'll only sell if viewers will believe in action, feel like it's realistic enough, and will be able to relate. So...yeah, they have to balance a lot in this industry. But to me S&M film industry is closer to hollywood lvl stunts as in "hit the actor so that it looks realistic and painful but doesn't really hurt them"

 

[Jerach]

It's rare - in any media - that S&M is treated with this much sensitivity. I remember years back watching a documentary on the porn company Kink (one, I believed, financed by the company so not really all that interesting), and how in it they seemed to go out of their way to affirm that their performers weren't traumatised, that they weren't there for any "wrong reason." I remember being annoyed at this because, in my experience, most of the people into S&M have some sort of trauma that they are drawing from or processing or running away from - certainly not all, but of the partners I've had and people I've talked to at length about it, I'd say a solid 70 or 80% (and this goes too to many of the people involved in the company Kink too if you you learn their lives outside of a documentary setting). And there's nothing at all wrong with this - S&M is like a spiritual practice, nobody gets into it for the "right" reasons - but it's something that every practioner should take the time to look at and learn to work with and, as noted here, accept.

This is a nice manga. Depending on how it all goes it's the sort of thing I'd maybe recommend to someone who was getting interested in this themselves.

I can definitely understand and relate to all of this. Like, to be quite honest, I've got some rather complicated and messy trauma that is related to my interest in stuff like ageplay that I imagine a lot of people would think are the "wrong" reasons to have an interest in a kink. Ultimately though as long as people are communicating properly, understanding and minimizing risks, then it's okay to be doing stuff even if there's a complicated background behind the interest.