Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi wo Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 45 - Wandering Through The Night

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at the very least she didn't throw a single accusation and was more keen on defending Yami than she herself did.

Aya wants Hikari to throw accusations - if Hikari isn't gonna insta forgive her than she wants Hikari to think she's the villain. Hikari refusing to take Aya's bait & instead be understanding is (maybe perversely) the most effective way for Hikari to "punish" Aya, which is why Aya spirals so bad in 41.

of course he knows she likes him.

Or he thinks it was a good bye kiss for closure - especially since he still has no way to contact her afterwards that isn't going through Hikari.

and didn't have that whole conversation.

What conversation? Aya barely let Yuu get a word in edgewise and she doesn't explain why she ghosted him a year ago.

Where's the connection with her mom's suicide attempt and the resulting ghosting?

I meant Aya's current ghosting where she's not going to school as of 42.

 

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Aya wants Hikari to throw accusations - if Hikari isn't gonna insta forgive her than she wants Hikari to think she's the villain.

It's irrelevant what Yami wants. I'm saying it's natural to accuse your best friend of betrayal after the actual betrayal.

Hikari refusing to take Aya's bait & instead be understanding is (maybe perversely) the most effective way for Hikari to "punish" Aya

That's what I thought:

I would be fine if her facing Yami and trying to have her be honest was her way to punish the girl, but that wasn't the case apparently.

But her thoughts from 44 don't support this idea at all, and she's still just simply worried about Yami.

Or he thinks it was a good bye kiss for closure

Did she good bye kiss him simply out of obligation and she actually doesn't like him?
He's not an idiot, I'm telling you.

I meant Aya's current ghosting where she's not going to school as of 42.

Then I'm not sure why you mentioned it here:

Yuu's the one she "caused a massive heartbreak to", she's lied to Yuu every bit as much as she's lied to Hikari, kissing Yuu in front of Hikari throws a wrench in Yuu & Hikari's relationship and Aya knows just how much they liked each other, and Hikari at least knows why Aya is ghosting.

 

[story645]

It's irrelevant what Yami wants. I'm saying it's natural to accuse your best friend of betrayal after the actual betrayal.

It's totally relevant - refusing to take their bait is a power move. But also yes, maybe Hikari is just seeing it the same way you've argued that it went down - that Aya wasn't intentionally trying to betray Hikari but had just full on lost control of her actions b/c Aya's so in love.

Did she good bye kiss him simply out of obligation and she actually doesn't like him?

More that the kiss is closing a door rather than trying to reopen it. It leaves Yuu w/ more questions than answers. He still doesn't know why she ghosted him but apparently she still likes him but she's mad about a bunch of things but she also thinks he's gonna go date Hikari but she still kissed him but she won't give him a way to contact her. It's mind games all the way down.

Then I'm not sure why you mentioned it here:

Because what Aya did to Yuu was way worse since Yuu didn't know why Aya ghosted him then but Hikari knows why Aya is ghosting now. And Hikari knows how to find Aya, which Yuu didn't.

 

[Caffiend1113]

Honestly I just want Yami to get the help she needs and deserves, the self destructive tendencies are getting too relatable fr. She’s basically the whole reason I’m still reading despite only getting 10-14 pages a month, so fingers crossed the story actually does right by her but I won’t hold my breath

 

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It's totally relevant - refusing to take their bait is a power move.

There's no "bait" at the start. Forget what Yami said, it's normal to accuse of betrayal before your conversation even begins.

But also yes, maybe Hikari is just seeing it the same way you've argued that it went down - that Aya wasn't intentionally trying to betray Hikari but had just full on lost control of her actions b/c Aya's so in love.

Betrayal without malice is still a betrayal.

More that the kiss is closing a door rather than trying to reopen it.

So he does understand that she likes him? Because obviously it's trying to close the door, she says her farewell after that. But that doesn't have anything to do with:

where he doesn't know if she likes him or not

Because what Aya did to Yuu was way worse since Yuu didn't know why Aya ghosted him then but Hikari knows why Aya is ghosting now

Erm, so Yami betrayed her, decided to run away, but somehow Hikari knowing why she decided to run away is an upside?
I'd focus more on betrayal vs ghosting if you want to compare stuff tbh.

 

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Betrayal without malice is still a betrayal.

You argued it wasn't Aya's intent, and is it betrayal if it's unintentional? Seems like Hikari wants to parse out what happened before she makes an accusation she can't take back. What's normal for you isn't necessarily Hikari's confrontation style.

So he does understand that she likes him?

I think he's not sure what to make of all it.

but somehow Hikari knowing why she decided to run away is an upside?

Yes as compared to Yuu's situation where his girlfriend went missing w/ a bunch of unknowns. Hikari isn't plagued w/ doubts here - unlike Yuu wondering if it was his fault.

Which to get back to the original argument - you think it's unrealistic for Hikari to not start w/ being mad about the betrayal, and I claim that by your standard it's unrealistic that Yuu didn't start off w/ being mad at Aya for ranting at him after she ghosted him. Like it's peak "where does she get off?"

 

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You argued it wasn't Aya's intent, and is it betrayal if it's unintentional?

Sure thing. Even if she didn't intend to betray Hikari, she still knew it would be a betrayal to kiss Yuu there.

Seems like Hikari wants to parse out what happened before she makes an accusation she can't take back. What's normal for you isn't necessarily Hikari's confrontation style.

I mean, sure, but that just adds another point to her goody two-shoes account. She can never do a wrong thing. Even when faced with betrayal by her best friend, she goes for a peaceful option. It's not in her style to have conflcts. She'd always carefully listen to the other side, try to defend them from accusations, forgive them.
These are all good qualities, don't get me wrong. But when a character is all about good qualities, it just doesn't work for me.

Which to get back to the original argument - you think it's unrealistic for Hikari to not start w/ being mad about the betrayal, and I claim that by your standard it's unrealistic that Yuu didn't start off w/ being mad at Aya for ranting at him after she ghosted him.

This all started with you claiming that Yuu is being more of a goody two-shoes than Hikari. It was interesting to discuss some aspects of his reaction vs Hikari's reaction, but the initial argument is just hopeless. We just saw Yuu lying to Hikari, using underhanded methods to probe her reactions, hiding his relationship with Yami from everyone, lying to his family, being weak-willed and passive - and you really intend to argue that he is more of a goody two-shoes than Hikari?